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::''Busy'' lets wait untill the operator responds. [[User:Abigor|'''<font color="dark red">Huib</font>''']]<small>[[User_talk:Abigor|''<font color="black"> talk</font>'']]</small> 17:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::''Busy'' lets wait untill the operator responds. [[User:Abigor|'''<font color="dark red">Huib</font>''']]<small>[[User_talk:Abigor|''<font color="black"> talk</font>'']]</small> 17:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Usually on en.wiki, the de facto standard would be to first block the bot until the issues are fixed (or just indef it if that never happens). Right now all it's doing is creating problems and work for every editor to have to undo every frivolous tag, and so far I have seen absolutely nothing in the "list" it makes that is an actual copyright violation. In fact the extreme majority of tagged images are all public domain, half of which are indisputable! [[User:GraYoshi2x|GraYoshi2x]] ([[User talk:GraYoshi2x|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Usually on en.wiki, the de facto standard would be to first block the bot until the issues are fixed (or just indef it if that never happens). Right now all it's doing is creating problems and work for every editor to have to undo every frivolous tag, and so far I have seen absolutely nothing in the "list" it makes that is an actual copyright violation. In fact the extreme majority of tagged images are all public domain, half of which are indisputable! [[User:GraYoshi2x|GraYoshi2x]] ([[User talk:GraYoshi2x|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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This is ridiculous - blocked. The bot needs to at a minimum check file metadata/categories before looking for similar images. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;'''[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike</b>]].[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">lifeguard</b>]]''' 23:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
   
 
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English: This is a place where users can communicate with administrators, or administrators with one another. You can report vandalism, problematic users, or anything else that needs an administrator's intervention.
العربية: هذا هو المكان حيث يمكن للمستخدمين التواصل مع الإداريين، أو الإداريين مع بعضهم البعض. يمكنك الإبلاغ عنه التخريب، المستخدمين الذين يسببون مشاكل، أو أي شيء آخر يحتاج للتدخل من قبل إداري.
Čeština: Tato stránka slouží uživatelům ke komunikaci se správci zde na Commons, nebo ke komunikaci správců mezi sebou. Můžete zde nahlásit vandalismus, problematické uživatele nebo další záležitosti, které mohou díky svým pravomocem vyřešit jen správci.
Deutsch: Dies ist eine Seite auf der Benutzer und Administratoren, oder Administratoren untereinander kommunizieren können. Du kannst hier Vandalismus, schwierige Benutzer oder andere Sachen, die den Eingriff eines Administrators benötigen, anzeigen.
Ελληνικά: Αυτή είναι μια σελίδα στην οποία οι χρήστες μπορούν να επικοινωνήσουν με διαχειριστές, ή οι διαχειριστές με κάποιον άλλο. Μπορείτε να αναφέρετε βανδαλισμούς, χρήστες που προκαλούν προβλήματα, ή οτιδήποτε άλλο χρειάζεται την παρέμβαση ενός διαχειριστή.
Español: Este es el sitio destinado a que los usuarios puedan comunicarse con los administradores, o viceversa. Puede notificar un vandalismo, reclamar atención sobre usuarios problemáticos, o indicar cualquier otro asunto que requiera la intervención de un administrador.
فارسی: این جا مکانیست که کاربران با مدیران، یا مدیران با یکدیگر می‌توانند ارتباط برقرار کنند. شما می‌توانید خرابکاری، کاربران مشکل‌ساز، یا هر آن چیز دیگری که نیاز به اقدام مدیران داشته باشد را گزارش کنید.
Français: Cette page est destinée à permettre aux utilisateurs et aux administrateurs de communiquer entre eux. Vous pouvez utiliser cette page pour signaler des actes de vandalisme, des utilisateurs au comportement problématique, ou tout autre fait nécessitant l'intervention d'un administrateur. Si vous ne maîtrisez que le français, la page Commons:Bistro reste cependant utilisable et vous y trouverez des administrateurs francophones.
日本語: このページは、管理者同士、あるいは、利用者ユーザがJA:管理者,EN:administratorsと連絡を取るための場所です。問題のあるユーザを報告したり、荒らしユーザを通報したり、管理者の協力や仲介を必要とする事項などにご利用ください。
한국어: 이 문서는 사용자가 관리자, 혹은 관리자가 다른 관리자와 의견을 교환하는 곳입니다. 문서를 훼손하거나 문제가 있는 사용자를 보고하거나, 관리자의 중재가 필요한 사항이 있으면 이곳을 이용해주십시오.
Polski: Jest to miejsce, gdzie użytkownicy mogą kontaktować się z administratorami lub administratorzy ze sobą nawzajem. Możesz zgłosić tu akt wandalizmu, problematycznego użytkownika albo cokolwiek, do czego potrzebna jest interwencji administratora.
Italiano: Questa è la pagina dove gli utenti possono comunicare con gli amministratori, o gli amministratori fra loro. Puoi segnalare qui vandalismi, utenti problematici, e qualsiasi altra cosa richieda l'intervento di un amministratore.
Magyar: Ezen a helyen üzenhetnek a szerkesztők az adminisztrátoroknak, vagy az adminisztrátorok egymásnak. Itt jelentheted a vandalizmust, a problémás szerkesztőket, vagy bármi más olyat, amihez adminisztrátori közreműködésre van szükség.
Română: Această pagină este destinată comunicării dintre utilizatori şi administratori sau între administratori. Aici poţi semnala cazuri de vandalism, utilizatori cu comportament problematic, precum şi alte situaţii care necesită intervenţia unui administrator.
Português: Este é o local no qual os usuários podem se comunicar com os administradores, ou onde os administradores podem conversar uns com os outros. Aqui você pode relatar casos de vandalismo, usuários problemáticos ou tratar de qualquer outro assunto que requeira a atenção de um administrador.
Suomi: Tällä sivulla voit keskustella ylläpitäjien kanssa. Voit esimerkiksi ilmoittaa meneillään olevasta vandalismista, ongelmakäyttäjistä tai mistä tahansa muusta joka tarvitsee ylläpitäjien huomiota.
Nederlands: Op deze plaats kunnen gebruikers communiceren met de beheerders, of de beheerders met elkaar. U kunt hier vandalen, of probleemgebruikers melden, of andere dingen die de aandacht van een beheerder nodig hebben.
Српски / srpski: Ово је место где корисници могу да комуницирају са администраторима, или администратори са другима. Овде можете пријавити вандализам, проблематичне кориснике, или било шта друго што тражи интервенцију администратора.
Tiếng Việt: Đây là nơi người dùng có thể liên lạc với bảo quản viên, hoặc giữa những bảo quản viên với nhau. Bạn có thể báo cáo phá hoại, thành viên có vấn đề, hoặc bất cứ điều gì khác cần đến sự can thiệp của một bảo quản viên.
中文: 这里是用户与管理员或管理员之间进行通讯的地方。您可以在此回报破坏、有问题的用户,或其他需要管理员介入的事情。
這裡是用戶與管理員或管理員之間進行通訊的地方。您可以在此回報破壞、有問題的用戶,或其他需要管理員介入的事情。
中文(简体)‎: 这里是用户与管理员或管理员之间进行通讯的地方。您可以在此回报破坏、有问题的用户,或其他需要管理员介入的事情。
中文(繁體)‎: 這裡是用戶與管理員或管理員之間進行通訊的地方。您可以在此回報破壞、有問題的用戶,或其他需要管理員介入的事情。
Shqip: Ky është një vend ku përdoruesit mund të komunikojnë me administruesit, ose administruesit me njëri-tjetrin. Mund të raportosh vandalizëm, përdorues problematik dhe gjithçka tjetër ku ka nevojë për ndërhyrje të administruesve.

Colon in license template

Hi, can please someone visit MediaWiki talk:License --Schlurcher (talk) 18:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done ... was a bit concerned about editing MediaWiki pages but seemed OK. ++Lar: t/c 21:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it the normal way, that you must edit each language template seperately? For example the german one: MediaWiki:License/de --Schlurcher (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's just the way it is. We should also check whether this is not used anywhere else and if it is not, request this to be changed in the software itself. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 23:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to see, where the MediaWiki Message is used. Or should I simply wait until someone complaines? --Schlurcher (talk) 09:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  • MediaWiki:License is also used on the upload form as the label for the license drop-down menu, and there it should have the colon. The two uses of this text should probably actually use two different messages. Lupo 09:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    P.S.: This would be a server-side change. SpecialUpload.php currently uses MediaWiki:License for both purposes. Lupo 09:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Naive I would suggest to add the colon after the message in the upload form, so the message could be used both ways. Or is there an alternative? Or should we revert all my proposed edits? --Schlurcher (talk) 09:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't be done. (Well, we could make the upload script do it, but that'd be huge hack—especially because not all languages use the colon—and it wouldn't work on the plain uploadform where the script isn't used.) The only correct way to resolve this is to make the server-side software use two different messages for these different purposes. Lupo 09:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be used on just one of the forms where the visual impact is minor compared to the use in the section heading. Thus I wouldn't change it back. -- User:Docu at 09:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's used on all forms that do have a license drop-down menu, whether our script is used or not. You just don't see that yet because MediaWiki-messages are cached specially by the software and will update only after 24 hours on the upload form. Lupo 09:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I see, this is why it isn't hidden yet by the Gtk-dialog-question.svg. -- User:Docu at 10:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's remove the header altogether! I know, I know... Rocket000 (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Splitting the uses of MediaWiki:License in two different messages has now been reported as bugzilla:19966. Lupo 07:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks --Schlurcher (talk) 07:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, again. I had an idea on the colons problem. But I do not have the rigths to test it. If you use the following code in for example the german Version MediaWiki:License/de it should do the trick:

{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:6}}|Lizenz|Lizenz:}}

It will use the "Lizenz" version in Namespace 6 (File) and hopefully the other version in all other cases. This would be a simple trick to use the same Template for both uses without software changes. --Schlurcher (talk) 10:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

File:A-F Close up.jpg

Someone please delete this "16 year old penis". And this one and this one too. Thanks. - ALLSTRecho wuz here 16:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

And especially File:AutoFellatio17.jpg, "16 yr old, performing AutoFellatio". And then have a chat with this kid that such is considered child porn via U.S. law and not allowed. - ALLSTRecho wuz here 16:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
And File:Matsturbation07.jpg, "Me at age 16, Demonstration masturbation". - ALLSTRecho wuz here 16:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned "agreed" & ✓ Done. Despite any discussions around Commons can be amazingly lax at accepting questionable images that could easily lead to legal problems. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 16:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I noticed admin Túrelio removed some of the kid's images from categories. As an admin, I wonder why Túrelio didn't delete them? I can only assume because he/she is in Germany and it's OK there.. but all Commons admins should be aware that the servers are under U.S. jurisdiction and such images simply can not be allowed. - ALLSTRecho wuz here 16:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
@ALLSTR, please refrain from drawing or at least from publishing conclusions about me in regard to such a critical topic. Actually I would prefer the removal of your last comment (mine included). Just for the record: Personally I do regret the existance of any p*rn-like images on Commons. However, admin or not, I don't go on a deletion frenzy. Though I don't remember now why I didn't immediately propose these images for deletion, it may have been for having little spare time or for not having the nerve to fight through a deletion request. But it was surely not because I would in any way approve or welcome such images. Four months ago, I was even accused by another admin to have "mind of a pedophile or extreme puritanism repressed" for proposing for deletion the un-censored version (a "censored" version existed) of an image of a naked, fully identifiable child in order to protect his privacy. --Túrelio (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I didn't draw, or publish, any conclusion about you other than that since you are in Germany, such images aren't illegal. I don't know the age of consent in Germany. I surely did not say anything regarding pedophilia or anything remotely close to it nor was I thinking it. Therefore, I will not remove my comment. Feel free to remove your own if you want. - ALLSTRecho wuz here 21:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Peace folks. Commons has very few working admins indeed. Those of us who do (& I am not as active as I would like to be) do the best we can. Túrelio is a good & effective admin. We all move too quickly at times - I certainly do & have been rightly accused of it (tho not rightly every time). Matter closed --Herby talk thyme 08:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW, someone should probably have a look at the rest of the uploads by User:Interestingme. Most of them are probably not educational and we have deleted similar images in the past. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 16:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
They're all unused, anyway, and the uploader's only attempt at making use of them seems to have been their abortive creation of the speedily deleted stub en:Boxer tent (which they probably intended to illustrate with File:Boxer tent.jpg, although they used the wrong filename). Any educational use these images might have seems to me very marginal at best. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Upload form

User:Sémhur asked on the French-speaking VP for the update the French-speaking version of the "own work" upload form. It currently defaults to "travail personnel (own work)" when no value is given. As there's a bot currently replacing "own work" occurrences by {{own}}, Sémhur suggests that we put it directly in the upload form. The correct page to update would seem to be MediaWiki:UploadFormOwnWorkLabel/fr. Is that correct? I don't want to break everything.

Same request for == Description == and == [[Commons:Copyright tags|Licensing]]: ==, currently replaced by == {{int:filedesc}} == and == {{int:license}} == Jastrow (Λέγετε) 18:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, but not just for the French upload form. See also: MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext. --Leyo 18:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
If nobody replies here or there, I have to assume that everyone agrees to change it to {{Own}}. --Leyo 12:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Is 1st August going to be a problem?

Any images you'd like to migrate before midnight strikes, or is this a non issue? [[1]] --Tony Wills (talk) 00:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No, this will not be a problem, the only extra part after that date is that we need to check the uploaddate before we can migrate. Huib talk 06:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
...which we already needed to do anyway, at least for files that are not obviously the uploader's own work, since anything uploaded in November 2008 or later is only eligible for relicensing if originally published at Commons (or at another WMF project). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Got some doubts on this one

These seem questionable. Two were tagged (rightly) as copyvios & I deleted one. However the others seem to have "OTRS pending" tags - the content suggest to me that nothing will be received but I'll go for "good faith" and see if others agree with me. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 09:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Quite some doubts.
  • Photobucket is totally unreliable in regard to copyright. I've found some of my own images from Commons copied by different Photobucket-Users onto Photobucket without any credit to source and copyright. My conclusion: images sourced (only) to Photobucket should be deleted if there is no independent and credible proof of permission/source.
  • Several, if not most, of his images are actually edited versions of known photos by other photographer, aka derivatives. Some of them may be o.k. as being official US-Gov photos.
--Túrelio (talk) 09:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
File:ListofMarlboroproducts Snus.jpg matches the image on this page, which is both larger and has been there since February 2008 according to the file's last-modified date. Similarly, File:PuppetPolitics AlexJones.jpg matches this image, which is again larger and has a last-modified date in November 2008. Meanwhile, the Photobucket images appear to have been uploaded just a few minutes before the respective Commons uploads. I'm pretty sure they're all copyvios. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Coquinar

Will someone, preferably someone who speaks French, please work with User:Coquinar about categorization? I keep correcting his tagging with over-general categories, redundant supercategories, or (nonexistent) French-language categories where English-language categories exist. He keeps re-adding the categories. I don't know whether he doesn't understand, doesn't care, or what, but this is getting beyond a simple content matter. - Jmabel ! talk 19:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Could someone please indicate if they are picking this up? - Jmabel ! talk 03:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
It's been over 24 hours and no one has even acknowledged this request. Is this noticeboard active, or is there a different way I should get hold of an administrator? - Jmabel ! talk 02:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There are much fewer active users on Commons and often it takes a few days to get a response. I speak French and I'll consult him. Dcoetzee (talk) 03:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! - Jmabel ! talk 18:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

OTRS request

Can someone please check the ticket for File:Juniorscrabble Grieks.jpg. I'm sure this isn't free, but it has OTRS permission... Usually, OTRS members know what they're doing but I'm guessing the only permission they received is from the photographer. The license was (accidentally?) removed, but it was GFDL.[2] A company like Mattel agreeing to that would be quite surprising. Rocket000 (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps leave your note on the relevant noticeboard? People are usually quick to respond there. - Rjd0060 (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Highly unlikely to be a valid OTRS (IMO). --Herby talk thyme 12:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
the ticket contains permission from Mattel. Multichill (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Serious problems with bot User:Sz-iwbot

This bot has apparently not been properly tested and is tagging every image it finds remotely (as in maybe a 10% match) similar to some other image (including matches found on Commons itself with clear public domain licensing) as a possible "copyright violation". I believe it should be blocked until the creator of the bot can fix it. There have been dozens of messages left on the talk page of the bot and so far the creator has not only ignored every complaint but is continuing to run it, apparently with no changes or fixes since Sz-iwbot's creation.

Perhaps copyright violation tagging is best left to humans. GraYoshi2x (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Would an admin stop it for now? It should have an exclusion list for stereoscopic views and coat of arms. -- User:Docu at 17:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Busy lets wait untill the operator responds. Huib talk 17:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Usually on en.wiki, the de facto standard would be to first block the bot until the issues are fixed (or just indef it if that never happens). Right now all it's doing is creating problems and work for every editor to have to undo every frivolous tag, and so far I have seen absolutely nothing in the "list" it makes that is an actual copyright violation. In fact the extreme majority of tagged images are all public domain, half of which are indisputable! GraYoshi2x (talk) 23:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

This is ridiculous - blocked. The bot needs to at a minimum check file metadata/categories before looking for similar images.  — Mike.lifeguard 23:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Category system

Referring from here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dagonweb#.7B.7BAutotranslate.7C1.3D.7Cbase.3DPlease_link_images.2Fheading.7D.7D I have been asked to make some kind of comment on my additions. I have no idea what exactly to do and when I click for more information I am supposed to read 6-8 pages of highly dense text. This won't do. Please implement a simpler point and click system, instead of this ... mess. I love contributing my work but if this system is put before me as a hurdle, I have very little issues with not making the contribution and not using wikipedia. I though wiki was free to use, but the current byzantine infrastructure clearly serves to keep out contributors.