Commons:Village pump/Archive/2012/11

Filemovers without the essential "suppress-redirect"-right

Some time ago, i got filemover-rights for commons. However, when using the "move-and-substitute"-function, the option "leave a redirect" is checked and I cannot change that. The consequence: I have to add a speedy-deletion-request to the wrong named file to get the redirect deleted and a commons-admin has to carry out this action. Now I learned, that the so called "suppress-redirect"-right is excluded of the filemover-rights. But: Being a filemover without the "suppress-redirect"-right is not only senseless, it is kind of ridiculous because with that restriction, a filemover has the same rights as a user without the filemover-rights.

Is there any reasonable background, why a filemover cannot move a file without leaving a redirect? I strongly recommend to include the "suppress-redirect"-right for filemovers. cheers --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 17:18, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, redirects should almost never be deleted. Jean-Fred (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I do not agree. I am talking of a erroneous filename that - according to the commons rules - should be renamed to an appropriate name. If no article is linked to the wrong filename, why should there be a redirect? The more: If removing such a redirect is not desirable, why the heck is there a "suppress-redirect"-Button that is reserved to users with higher rights? --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

See Commons:File redirects and the discussions linked in the notes. Jean-Fred (talk) 18:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

How can you tell that there is no page linking to the old name? For example, the usage list doesn't include projects which use the image using mw:InstantCommons. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Only if the old file name was abusive or highly misleading, the redirect should be deleted (meaning e.g. DSC… should not be deleted). Everything else just causes confusion and is a waste of time. Krinkle also wrote an essay about redirects. Well Brion can't desysop you but you could follow his advice anyway :-) -- Rillke^(q?) 19:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Small correction: Brion can desysop you. ;) --Nemo 08:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose this proposal: people would probably use it recklessly. There are very few situations in which deletion of the old title would be good, and these can be handled with the {{Delete}} template. Nyttend (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Also oppose, as there are other web sites that use images from commons and use the name as an attribution link. If you remove the old name then attribution for the used image will be lost and you the file mover will have cause a copyright infringement. So it should only be deleted if the name used by the redirect is very new and no one would have copied it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I upload pages from books for Wikisource, with file-names with 1,2,3,4 etc. When I make mistakes, it would have been helpful with the possibility to move without redirect. On svsource, most of our contributors are able to move without redirect. (It's included in the rights of the Autopatrol-group.) But I realise, it would to often be wrong to easily do here. -- Lavallen 09:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be a good idea when the link for supressing a redirect is active if the upload-time isn't older than let's say 10 or 15 minutes? That would give the chance to make corrections immediatly after upload. It's more than unlikely that in that very short period after upload the image will be used from other websites. --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 13:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Edits secretly removed?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T43615

See here. Only my move is visible. I'll explain what I did.

1. I deleted Rothkoff as I thought the page was out of scope.
2. Then I noticed the page was meant as a user page, so I restored it.
3. I moved Rothkoff to User:Zev Rothkoff, but...
4. User:Zev Rothkoff already existed so I had to delete it to make the way free to move.
5. After then I restored the edits and everything was okay. I thought.

And now the edits are gone for some strange reason. Is it a bug? I frequently clicked on the purge button, but it's not working. :( Trijnstel_talk 18:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a bug: Rothkoff nor User:Zev Rothkoff can be restored. Try maybe a bit later as I noticed lately many strange system delays. --Foroa (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I've forwarded this to bugzilla:41606 so the developers can see it. Feel free to CC yourself on that bug report. --Malyacko (talk) 20:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

bugzilla:41606 is a duplicate of bugzilla:41615. The fix for this has been deployed. See below. -- RobLa-WMF (talk) 18:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

new un-deletion bug

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T43615

After the deletion bug, that plagued us for weeks, now there seems to be a new, really nasty un-deletion bug, see description at COM:AN. --Túrelio (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Related to the section just above this one? -- Asclepias (talk) 23:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't think so. However, now it's at Bugzilla top level. --Túrelio (talk) 09:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

For the time being, the patch has been reverted and two developers are working on a fix. --Malyacko (talk) 10:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Our short-term fix for this problem was reverting this wiki (and most others) from 1.21wmf3 to 1.21wmf2. Daniel Kinzler developed the proper fix a few hours ago, and we've now just deployed the fixed version of 1.21wmf3 everywhere it was previously deployed. We should be able to clean up any instances where this caused problems, and we'll work out a plan for that shortly (see bugzilla:41649). -- RobLa-WMF (talk) 18:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

November 1

How to remove my name from picture files?

I hope someone can help me with this. I would like to know how to remove my name from certain picture files that were uploaded. I have no trouble with the pictures being uploaded, but I'd like to have my name removed from the title of the pictures. Can anyone help me or suggest where I should go? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Parodi (talk • contribs) 1. November 2012, 01:24 Uhr (UTC)

You can list them for speedy renaming by going to "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" and following the instructions there. — SMUconlaw (talk) 02:50, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Note that your name will still be available in the redirects and in the Author data of the images, and possibly also EXIF metadata, so if you want to completely eliminate your name, more steps will be needed. If you just don't want it in the title, renaming should be fine. Dcoetzee (talk) 21:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Batch upload with web page

Commonist = download a program, set its settings and let it process the files. Is there any way to make mass upload without downloading and setting the program? Something like Upload page for several images? The reason is, I'm speaking to a human with series of images, and he says, it's a mess to upload the images one by one.--PereslavlFoto (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Use Special:UploadWizard, click upload file, and then use multiple selection (on Windows, click drag a box around them, or hold CTRL or SHIFT to do toggle or ranges, respectively) to select all the files you want to upload. It will require you to specify a title and description for each one, but it will at least upload them all together without further intervention. Even if Upload Wizard doesn't fully support the scenario in question (e.g. doesn't have right license tags), you can edit file description pages afterwards quite easily. Dcoetzee (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

… e.g. using one of our Batch editing tools. -- Rillke^(q?) 00:05, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Temporary upload

The photographer has a good collection of useful images (town houses) and agrees to publish them on Commons. The person understands his photographs are quite poor, as they are done with a non-digital automatic camera. Is it possible for him to remove his images from Commons somewhen later, if someone else uploads any better images of that very houses? Or these non-perfect images will be an endless curse of Commons storage?--Переславская неделя (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted images are never actually permanently deleted, so it is futile to seek to delete images to save storage space on Commons. We can't guarantee we would delete the images once superiour ones become available, particularly if the new images illustrate the subject differently and are not direct replacements. However we do sometimes delete low-quality images as out of scope if they are completely superseded in purpose by other images. My recommendation is to please upload the images, because better images, desirable as they may be, have a way of taking many years to show up, and in the meantime almost anything is better than nothing. Dcoetzee (talk) 21:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Rolling suppression statistics

If you're interested in such things, then you might want to have a look at suppression statistics from the past six months that have just been published at Commons:Oversighters/Statistics. They are based on the statistics published by the English Wikipedia Audit Subcommittee, and use the same methodology, but I hope you will find them interesting nevertheless. Regards, odder (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2

UK laws and treaties

Are UK laws and treaties copyright restricted or do we just miss a copyright tag? Cause i'd like to upload the Montreal Convetion which writes that it's under a Crown Copyright but is free of charge as long as you don't use it in a missleading way. The Royal Arms seem to have only a Trade Mark restricion and so i think this document seems to be accepted on commons.--Sanandros (talk) 12:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It is discussed, somewhat, at w:en:Crown_copyright#United_Kingdom, but in short, for published documents, unless it is a document on which a waiver has been given, it has protection for 50 years from date of publication. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

The UK claims Crown Copyright on the text of their laws and treaties (although they would be considered uncopyrightable in the United States). However, the UK has been putting a lot of material under a license similar to CC-BY. As you can see on that website's terms, the material should be allowable here under the {{OGL}} tag. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

But why would the text of an international treaty, of which the UK is merely one adhering country among dozens, become specially the intellectual property of the government of the UK? That sounds much like a 19th-century notion. It seem to me that the only thing, if anything, to which the boilerplate copyright notice of the government of the UK could possibly be applicable in relation to that document is the formatting of the pages where this copy is printed. But not to the text. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

See COM:L#Typographical copyright: it's at least protected for 25 years. The legal disclaimer on page 2 presumably gets a full crown copyright. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

If members of the UK government did not write the text, then no, they really cannot claim copyright ownership. If they were at least a co-author though, they probably can. And realistically, inside the borders of the UK they can do whatever they want, since they write the law. Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

OK I'm going to upload it under OGL license. Thank you--Sanandros (talk) 08:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

San Diego and North Island Naval Aviation Collection

They are now uploading a lot of photo's on Flickr. I have requested them to upload on Wikicommons as well, since they have a lot (>100.000) of very old photo's (<1930) of aviation. They are considering this but one of there problems is the larege amount to upload. Can someone with a lot of knowledge contact them about this (if there is an easier way). On Flickr they are there under the above name and the responsible person is Alan Renga from the San Diego Air and Space Museum. Thanks, Alf -- 10:40, 2 November 2012‎ User:Alfvanbeem

You can request Commons:Batch uploading the files if the museum accepts it. This is how several large museum collections have been previously uploaded, eg. Commons:Batch uploading/US National Archives or Commons:Batch uploading/Tropenmuseum. MKFI (talk) 09:18, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Problem with image representration

There is a grey band on the 800 × 600 pixels representation of File:Eglise Saint-Jean-Baptiste -Hierges.JPG. I tried a reupload of the highest resolution, but without succes. Canb someone do better? --Havang(nl) (talk) 18:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

From here, all three versions of the image look fine, including the 800x600 pixels thumbnail. Maybe there's a bad thumbnail copy that is temporarily stuck in the Amsterdam cache server? -- Asclepias (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Derivative of Wikipedia logo

Would the derivative of the Wikipedia logo have a Wikimedia Foundation copyright: mk:Податотека:Браво!.png - I want to put this image on the commons Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 23:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, see File:Commons-logo.svg. Just copy that copyright/trademark template onto the new file. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 03:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty! WhisperToMe (talk) 17:44, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

November 3

Sorry to trouble you again

I am the only son and heir of Johann Schediwy and and his wife Rosa, née Grünbaum and I have scanned some interesting photos from my father's albums. When uploading them I did not want to pretend thata they were my "own work", but, of course I am the copyright owner, so I created an account in my father's name and probably made a mistake about the license. Some of these pictures have been eliminated becauss of "no license", e.g. I have found the following notices in the article "History of the Jews in Hungary":

(Removing "Part_of_the_store-owners_family.jpg", it has been deleted from Commons by Fastily because: No license since 22 August 2012.) (undo) (cur | prev) 00:45, 30 August 2012‎ CommonsDelinker (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (136,792 bytes) (-138)‎ . . (Removing "In_frot_of_the_Grünbaum_grocery_shop.jpg", it has been deleted from Commons by Fastily because: No license since 22 August 2012.) (undo)

This is a formal issue, I have all the rights needed. Could somebody help me to "resurrect" those pictures? --Robert Schediwy (talk) 00:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

A short answer: COM:OTRS provides a way for you to clarify things. Using that, you can e-mail details to assert your right to the files. It also provides a tag you can put on the files, with the ticket number you get from OTRS, so that administrators can look up the ticket and see the details you e-mailed that you don't want in the description. Someone else may have a better explanation of this. (I have not looked up the individual files because I'm not an administrator.) --Closeapple (talk) 01:14, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

It's possible that you made the same mistake as for this other file, where you forgot to mention a license or another status tag and which still has no license as I'm writing this. Since you decided to use multiple different accounts, make sure that you follow and pay attention to the notices that are left on the talk pages of all your accounts. When after a week you do not react to the notices that inform your uploading accounts of the absence of license, the result is that those files are deleted. But that's not irreversible. You can just make a request for undeletion on the page Commons:Undeletion requests (same venue where you made an undeletion request for a page in August). For the rest, I don't think anything changed since the discussion when you uploaded those photos in August. Just make sure that the situation is clearly explained for each photo (your multiple accounts can be confusing to the reusers) and that you do not forget to indicate at least one license tag or PD tag with each photo of which you are the copyright holder. -- Asclepias (talk) 02:58, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. It all looks so complicated. I have contacted COM:OTRS and I'll copy your counsel (and the one I got in August) on the Johann Schediwy discussion page. --Robert Schediwy (talk) 14:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Art photos

Hi, what's the merit of artistic photos like File:VidGajsek - Krizanke s staroljubljanskih mestnotrskih streh.jpg or File:VidGajsek_-_Marijin_krizevniski_oltar.jpg. Are these considered to be in the scope of the project? --Eleassar ^(t/p) 09:04, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Template: Compressed version

For attention Commons_talk:Media_for_cleanup#Template:_Compressed_version -- Perhelion (talk) ℗ 14:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

November 4

Text on images

Is text allowed in images like File:Andrew Merola.jpg, the user uploaded another with his name on the image. --Mjrmtg (talk) 02:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Timed Text: Difference between closed captions and subtitles

Hi. In some countries (US, Canada) and communities (deaf), there is a difference between closed captions and subtitles. See w:Closed_captions#Terminology. Others don't make a difference. Arguing on whom is right is irrelevant. However, it is important to define how we wish to use these terms. Currently, both words "subtitles" and "closed captions" are used in commons, without any apparent distinction. See for example Commons:Video#Subtitles_and_closed_captioning, Category:Files_with_closed_captioning, the media player indicates "subtitles"...

We should be able to make "closed captions for the deaf", or at the very least this functionality could be added easily. In this case, how are we going to distinguish between "subtitles"/"closed captions"/"closed captions for the deaf" in regards to the function they have? Might someone be confused with the word "closed captions", and expect a description of all significant audio content designed for the deaf?

Cheers, Dodoïste (talk) 12:07, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

please note bug 41694 We will take a look at making this distinction more clear in subsequent timed media handler versions Mdale (talk) 03:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

A guide to Polish copyright

I am not sure where else to announce it, and where to link it from, but some editors may find the guide to Polish copyright I recently created useful. Feel free to edit it, and comment on it (I recommend copying any comments here to its talk, as I may not monitor replies here too much). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:26, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, I guess the best place to link it would be from the general copyright page.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Batch import files

Is there a way to batch import large numbers (2000+) of new files without doing a bot upload via api? Smallman12q (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I all I know are Server-side uploads. In the near future (there are tests for Flickr-Uploads) it should be possible to let the WMF servers fetch files directly from other servers ($wgAllowCopyUploads, upload-by-url). Perhaps someone at #wikimedia-tech can help here. -- Rillke^(q?) 20:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

For such small numbers of files, people often use Commonist or other tools at Commons:Tools#Upload_media. --Nemo 08:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Black list

I tried to upload an image from Flickr which was licensed as CC BY 2.9, using the Flickr upload bot, but was told that the title "File:Monocular Telescope at Eiffel Tower In Paris" matches the following line in the black list for page titles: File:[\w\d\s]+ <reupload>

It would be nice to know why it was blacklisted. Maybe the error page could be made to give an explanation or link to the black list? --Jonund (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Looking at the RegExp, there must be (invisible?) Junk between File: and the following part. Set the cursor behind "M" and then press backspace until the ":" is deleted. Then enter the two characters you deleted using your keyboard. The title is also missing a file extension. -- Rillke^(q?) 20:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

It might have something to do with the fact that this title has no file type extension. The relevant line in the page Titleblacklist has the explanation: "Very basic rule to prevent some file pages without media. See the fate of File:A or File:Audio". Those two examples are titles without an extension. -- Asclepias (talk) 20:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

It was the missing file extension. Thanks! --Jonund (talk) 10:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Possible religion related goals for 2013

This is probably more than a bit presumptuous on my part, but I have started a discussion at w:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Goals for 2013? in the English wikipedia asking what if any sort of goals we might be able to reasonably set for the next year, in wikipedia and other WF sites as well. I figured the wikipedia probably gets more attention, which is why I started the discussion there. But I would be very interested in seeing any input regarding what the editors here think might be the areas here most in need or meriting additional attention. Maybe, and at this point it is just a maybe, maybe we might be able to get some input on such topics if we have some idea what it is we really need to work on. Anyway, I would welcome any input anyone here might have. John Carter (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

November 5

Wikivoyage/Wikitravel images mass imports

As you know, Wikivoyage (which contains some forks from Wikitravel) is joining the Wikimedia projects family: launch is scheduled for tomorrow and their file repositories will not be migrated, see also mw:Wikivoyage migration. Some of their wikis used Commons in part but they have about 14 thousands images which need to be moved to Commons or replaced; some files have already been imported. Commons:Wikivoyage Shared transfer task force contains a rough list of what needs to be or is being done; I think they need help organising an "edit drive"/quality festival, because currently the review of images is proceeding at very high pace but dispersedly. --Nemo 08:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merges of categories Category:Microchips and Category:Integrated circuits - Want feedback

Hi,

I'm looking for feedback on the merge proposal for these two categories, to get some sort of consensus. The discussion is at Category talk:Microchips. Thanks, Ubcule (talk) 13:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Bot request

I have asked at User talk:Inductiveload#Another bot request for bot runs; may be the user is absent for a while, or somebot else wants do this. sarang♥사랑 07:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, on it -FASTILY ^(TALK) 22:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Stadiums rooms

It is fine or category stadium areas (where to also put Category:seating areas of stadiums) sounds better? thanks a lot. Regards--Pierpao.lo (listening) 10:41, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not good English ("Stadium rooms" would be better). AnonMoos (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Or "Rooms in stadiums" - Jmabel ! talk 15:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Jmabel - the subject should be followed by the qualifier. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks--Pierpao.lo (listening) 20:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

odd disappearance of photos.

We are running a photo contest related to the Mexican holiday of Day of the Dead. The category for the pictures is Category:Día de Muertos estilo Wiki. However, although there are over 400 pics in the category, only the first three uploaded photos appear if I havent signed into my account.Hitting refresh does not help. After I sign in and return to the page, all of the photos appear. Any ideas why? Thelmadatter (talk) 21:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Use shift-refresh to force refresh (on Firefox and Chrome at least.) ghouston (talk) 23:29, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Freedom of speech related Valued Image candidates

• Two Freedom of speech related candidates for Valued image, discussion pages listed, below:

1. Commons:Valued image candidates/Free-speech-flag.svg
2. Commons:Valued image candidates/Streisand Estate.jpg

Comments and input would be most appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 07:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Low vs High

Hi,

I'm having troubles with low performance in articles using high resolution images uploaded from Flickr. When I upload a Flickr image, I select the medium resolution, because it will just help making the text more informative and visually attractive, and it is not a photo quality contest. But there is a Robot which uploads the higher resolution available in Flickr. This action causes three problems: increases the amount of storage required on the servers, increases the internet traffic from a few Kb to some Mb and the file disappears from "My uploads" list.

Well, I have tried to revert it, but appears I have infringed some kind of rule with this action. So, I would like to know if there is a way I can use the lower resolution image instead of the "current" version.

I have an example with a revert and a revert of the revert, here:

Sounding Rocket Sample Payload

I just want to use the 285 Kb image, that is all.

One of the articles currently using it is this one.

Thanks.

--Marcric (talk) 16:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

We always want the highest resolution version available. Please read Commons:First steps/Quality and description. Storage at Wikimedia servers is not an issue (and since previous revisions are still kept, uploading a low-resolution version on top of it only uses more storage). Images used in articles with the thumb option or a specified pixel size are scaled server-side, as are previews shown on file description pages, so no bandwidth is not an issue either. —LX (talk, contribs) 18:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Please read {{No scaled down dupes}} -- Rillke^(q?) 19:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, I was doing it wrong, will upload the highest possible resolution from now on, thanks. And about the "side effect" ? Is there any chance to put my user name back as the images up loader to get the images back to "My uploads" list? And a suggestion: if possible, it would be nice to change the robot to keep the original up loader name. Regards --Marcric (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

It is impossible to have it keep the original uploader's name when reuploading a new version (the bot would require the password to your account), but I agree that "My uploads" should list images you originally uploaded even after they are overwritten by someone else. Dcoetzee (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

possible unfree soundtrack

Does anybody know if the soundtrack of that movie is unfree? Thx--Sanandros (talk) 20:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Linking to the file itself is not helpful; we need to see the description page. File:Humorous Phases of Funny Faces.ogg links to the Library of Congress page which says that the music is by Philip Carli, who is almost certainly this Philip Carli. Since there's no explicit copyright license, we can't assume that's it's free. It might be worth communicating with him about this; I also wonder if there's any way we could get a higher quality copy from the Library. Unfortunately, this was done 10 years ago, and they worried about bandwidth limits at the time, not producing the highest quality video.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The soundtrack has already been removed from the video, issue resolved. Dcoetzee (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

November 6

Question on when educational scope ends

I'm writing an article on the Seattle Union Record and there's a number of PD images of the paper. Would it be appropriate for me to upload every image I can find of issues and covers of the paper? I might see if Wikisource has a use for them as well. Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• I'd be in favor of this. Does anyone think otherwise? - Jmabel ! talk 02:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
• When uploading complete issues, I strongly recommend using either PDF or djvu, to keep the pages together in a single file and easy to read in order. You can separately upload any pages you wish to display in an article. Covers can also be uploaded by themselves. Let me know if you need help assembling the images into single files like this. Dcoetzee (talk) 06:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

• Do you upload them as subpages? Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:26, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, I think it's good to upload all images, striving for complete issues using either PDF or djvu as described by Dcoetzee. cmadler (talk) 13:50, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

November 8

Request for information about tourist guide

Seeking information about a story by tourist guide in Hoorn, Netherlands pertaining to 2 women who apparently helped Jews and others during WWII hiding them in their home in Hoorn. Members of the Gastapo were also using the same home and they all shared the same kitchen. There is a plaque on the outside wall of the house with a picture of the 2 women. I am trying to confirm this information to incorporate into a slide presentation. Amy help with this would be appreciated. Jim Heins, living in Kensington, Maryland, USA -- 03:13, 8 November 2012‎ 71.191.12.214

This isn't the right site - please see en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Dcoetzee (talk) 06:42, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:PD-Art

There is an important issue about {{PD-Art}} raised at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#template:PD-Art. Please leave any comments there. Thanks, Rd232 (talk) 08:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Orson Welles images

Could recent uploads including a 1938 image of Orson Welles and a promotional still from The Third Man be checked? The uploader claims to be the source and owner of the images, and that's not likely. Thanks. — WFinch (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

• Clearly these at least have a licensing problem. I have no idea whether they are public domain or not. - Jmabel ! talk 16:38, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Botanical indexings

Hi, there's recently been sporadic attempts to key this hybrid rose with a "?", which of course appears out very irritating on the public list as being of virtually no meaning. I do not know of an earlier acceptance of such use of a question mark for a sorting purpose here on Wiki, and obviously would prefer forwarding a substitution that better caters for that mis-key's pure intent. To start, we may want to comment at Category talk:Hybrid Tea - Jadis. Regardz, Orrlingtalk 17:29, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this edit what you're talking about? Foroa using a ? sortkey to indicate a possible problem with the classification of the category? Rd232 (talk) 18:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

What point is there in presenting the above text as "hard to understand"? The link given by me is the correct link Orrlingtalk 18:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

The link isn't the issue, it's the explanation. Is there some reason you don't want me to help clarify? Rd232 (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. as said above, it's about what seems to be a mis-keying of Category:Hybrid Tea - Jadis with a "?"-sign, being a dash uncommon; I was inviting the collective to participate in agreeing on a more aesthetic & communicative channel to refer to questioned plant species. Orrlingtalk 18:38, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

November 9

Deprecated / discourage usage of Template:PD-MacaoGov

After previous mass clean up of Template:PD-MacaoGov in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:PD MacaoGov, I wonder if we should discourage or even deprecated the usage of the template over commons since mainly one would upload images over here while the template DOES NOT cover any images at all. Chanueting (talk) 06:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It covers scans of texts; it's possible someone will want to load scans of texts to transcribe on a Wikisource.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:55, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You are right, but how about putting up a warning like Template:PD-US? I cannot find an image in Category:PD MacaoGov fulfil the license policy right now. Chanueting (talk) 19:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Maybe rename the template {{PD-MacaoGov-text}}, and change {{PD-MacaoGov}} to a template like {{PD-UK}}. It needs to be really clear that the template is nothing whatsoever like USGov. That's best done explicitly in the template name - it's as close as we can get to slapping people and saying "did you read the template? DID YOU?" :) Rd232 (talk) 20:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Template rewritten in {{PD-MacaoGov-text}} and delete nomination in Commons:Deletion requests/Clean up of PD-MacaoGov, please kindly share your idea. Thanks. Chanueting (talk) 04:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

WhatIsThat? tool not working (well)

I've been noticing issues with the WhatIsThat? tool available in the Toolbox (if activated in Preferences). For some images it returns results, for some less than the original Magnus' WhatIsThat? and for some none at all. Take for example File:Cities of Sumer (en).svg. If you look at en:Summer and pt:Suméria articles which use the image, there are descriptions there. Yet the tool doesn't find them. Anyone knows more on this topic? I found it a very useful tool to add multilingual descriptions to images, if it works... Thanks. --Codrin.B (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

You can try to ask DieBuche -- Rillke^(q?) 18:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

TimedMediaHandler just enabled on this wiki

Hi everyone, we just enabled TimedMediaHandler on this wiki. This should mean big improvements in video playback, but of course, with all new technology, there may very well be new bugs that get introduced. Please let us know either by commenting here or by filing a bug at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. Thanks! -- RobLa-WMF (talk) 17:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Victory! Awesomeness! Magical ponies!

Been waiting for that for years! \o/

• I guess TMH is responsible for the new “Transcode status” info on file description pages (eg File:Poulpevolant.ogv). I could not find documentation about it, could you elaborate on its meaning?
• It was my understanding that TMH enabled server-side transcoding of videos, so that they are served at the format and bitrate requested. How is it requested, through thumbs? (Trying to play from video galleries loads a pop up with the full resolution).

Thanks *a lot* for enabling this!

Jean-Fred (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, poking around, I understand that the generation of the various versions (WebM & Ogg versions at different bitrates) is queued in MediaWiki job queue. What triggers the scheduling, the first request of the video or is it planned to “touch” each Commons video to get it generated? I suppose generated versions are kept/cached − like scaled images − are they automatically purged? For curiosity, is it possible to consult the queue?

TMH was also supposed to allow transcoding at upload time, from eg WebM, is it active as well?

Jean-Fred (talk) 18:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Transcodes get inserted into the queue for all active videos, as the backlog is catching up we can also poke other videos. Right now its not possible to inspect the queue, this will hopefully change soon. Transcoded videos are not purged like thumbnails, its possible to reset failed transcodes though.

UploadWizzard supports WebM uploads now. Transcoding from unsupported formats is possible with Firefogg but its currently not enabled on commons.

--JanGerber (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers. Jean-Fred (talk) 23:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

See Introducing Wikipedia’s new HTML5 video player on Wikimedia Foundation blog. Jean-Fred (talk) 23:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Fullscreen in new video player doesn't work

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T43915

I noticed that we now have a nifty new video player embedded; seems to be named Kaltura and looks nice. However, if I try the fullscreen button e.g. at File:Maschine-stadt-luzern.ogv, I don't get fullscreen video - quite the opposite, the video just disappears from the page (the sound is still there, but no picture). SeaMonkey 2.13.2 on Windows Vista. Gestumblindi (talk) 00:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The developer console shows: "Warning: Request for full-screen was denied because full-screen API is disabled by user preference." I'll open a bug ticket to handle this. TheDJ (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi! About the description language selectio in the Upload Wizard

I found that the description language selection changed in the Upload Wizard. Before, if you would like to select English, you will select "English", now, I need to select "英文" - the chinese word. It is hard to find the correct language. Could I changed it in the preference? ----- 化学是你,化学是我 04:13, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

All gigapixel images uploaded as tile sets

All public domain gigapixel artwork from Google Art Project and Prado in Google Earth produced so far, a total of 48 works, are now available at Category:Tile sets at full original resolution. The largest (155267 × 89344 or 13.9 gigapixels) is The Garden of Earthly Delights, shown below (the small image below the grid shows the single JPEG non-tiled version, to scale). No work I've seen could be more deserving of a high-resolution treatment, considering its enormous physical size (2.2 × 3.9 m) and detailed intricacy.

The smallest is an extremely long and thin image of one of the Dead Sea Scrolls (127488 × 5013 or 639 megapixels, see Category:Tile set of The Great Isaiah Scroll MS A (1QIsa)) shown below:

I'd appreciate any feedback on this upload project. (The rest of the Google Art Project works fit in a single JPEG file just fine, and a lot are still pending review.) Thank you! Dcoetzee (talk) 10:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow! I am lost at words to congratulate you for these wonderful works. Yann (talk) 11:20, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that Bosch scan is nothing short of spectacular. As you said, no work could be more deserving of this hi-res treatment! Thank you for your work on this. cmadler (talk) 14:21, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Picture based shapes

Hi,

I have created a cylindrical shape of the MR-12 Russian rocket based on a picture which could be seen here (the second one), credited to Mark Wade. How should I upload and classify it ? {{PD-shape}} ? And the Author ? Is it My own work or Mark Wade's ?

Thanks --Marcric (talk) 22:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The drawing is definitely yours, but it makes sense to include in the file description a link (with proper attribution) to the "original" photograph. Also, the author of the rocket itself (and its shape) is, of course, not Mark. :-)

By the way, please use SVG for such drawings. If for some reason you prefer raster images (why?), please use PNG instead of JPEG. Wikipedia guidelines have more details. You can take a look at recommended software and SVG use here and find more help in Commons:Graphic Lab.

Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 00:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

November 7

Which do you think is the better category?

Hi to all. In my categorization activity concerning the church categories, better categorization of images of churches with a method IMHo that would allow the easy detection of a particular sector, I created Category:Our Lady of Miracles churches in Italy not realizing that Category:Churches of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Miracles in Italy there already (the usual problems due to rigid categorization tree unbranched). Now I ask you what, you think, of the two the most correct? Thanks for your patience :-)--Threecharlie (talk) 09:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

HotCat shortcuts

It's been suggested to formalise some standard shortcuts for HotCat, to make categorisation with certain maintenance categories easier. This would mean creating certain redirect categories just for the purpose, so for example Category:tpp would redirect to Category:Template:painting possible. Please see Help:Gadget-HotCat/shortcuts and proposals at Help talk:Gadget-HotCat/shortcuts. PS background discussion is Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#HotCat_shortcuts. Rd232 (talk) 12:40, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Europe countries.svg

Hi, could someone please help with listing all the files affected by Commons:Deletion requests/File:Europe countries.svg? It seems these are plenty, so it would be best done with a bot. --Eleassar ^(t/p) 16:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I think there is unnecessary worry about this file. Yann (talk) 17:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

User page

Can someone undelete the old versions of my User page? Considering coming back, now that some of the issues that meant I felt it unethical to continue editing here have begun being dealt with.

Cheers,

Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done --High Contrast (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

November 11

Community care

From Swedish village pump: I think we came to a conclusion about the name for day actives for mentally challenged (I'm sorry if I use wrong term, English is not my main language, and I don't meen to harm anyone), elderly and other groups (category:Adult day centers), but to my next question: I came across the term social services. But is that term only for poverty and crime, or could it refer to other "social" services like elderlycare or care and/or activities for mentally challenged? I have used the term community care for many forms of care that isn't purely health care, but is that right? V-wolf (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• "Social services," in the US at least, is by no means restricted to issues of poverty. As for crime, it might include some programs that might fall under crime prevention, but would not include police. It certainly would include services for the disabled or elderly. It tends not to be applied to entitlement programs (e.g. Social in the U.S.) nor to explicitly medical services. "Adult day centers" is a perfectly good term, but it does have slightly tricky borders. For example, it would never be applied to a drop-in center for physically and mentally competent seniors, and while that exact same phrase just might be used to refer to a drop-in center for homeless adults, I think most people would consider that a different meaning of the phrase. - Jmabel ! talk 01:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for clearifying, although it seems a bit tricky. But we might sort it out as the situations arise. Another question in the same field: In Sweden we have "Gruppboenden" (literally translation: group livings), houses with apartments but with collective kitchen and living room, where mentally challenged or demented people live together in a somewhat normal way, assisted by care personnel. Is there a proper English name for that kind of house? V-wolf (talk) 10:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I beliese en:Assisted living is the english term for this. MKFI (talk) 10:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

What would a category with such houses be called? V-wolf (talk) 13:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Depending on the scale (size/number of residents) Gruppboenden might be en:Group home. cmadler (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Also "halfway house," though those can be larger and the term also applies to homes for people transitioning from incarceration. There's also (not the same thing) "transitional housing," usually limited to two years, for people who were formerly homeless and often also were drug addicted or are considering to be emerging from mental problems, either because they are simply getting better or have gotten onto a better medication regime. - Jmabel ! talk 16:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

November 12

Remove category from page

Hi, I want to remove the category Category:Internationalization templates with incorrect translations from the page Template:Nationality/sv since I have updated the translation, but I can't find out how to do it. Please help me! // WikiPhoenix ^[Talk] 17:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

This appears to come from {{Please Translate}}. Even the English subpage is categorized. Perhaps asking the creator of the template what the intention exactly was? -- Rillke^(q?) 19:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Lamppost-singapore.jpg

A street lamp in Singapore showing the characteristic spangle

I added the following image to Hot-dip galvanizing on English Wikipedia but the image doesn't show up even though the image is on both Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. [1] gave this error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/eventlet/wsgi.py", line 382, in handle_one_response
    result = self.application(self.environ, start_response)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wmf/rewrite.py", line 368, in __call__
    resp = self.handle404(reqorig, url, container, obj)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wmf/rewrite.py", line 197, in handle404
    upcopy = opener.open(encodedurl)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 400, in open
    response = self._open(req, data)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 418, in _open
    '_open', req)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 378, in _call_chain
    result = func(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1207, in http_open
    return self.do_open(httplib.HTTPConnection, req)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1177, in do_open
    raise URLError(err)
URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 111] ECONNREFUSED>

though [2] works. What's wrong? cmglee (talk) 19:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting! Cannot reproduce the problem anymore, but sounds similar to some thumbnail problems we've seen in the last two weeks after a server upgrade. I've added your comment to the bugtracker at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42047 --Malyacko (talk) 12:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

How do I trace a moved image?

I uploaded a file under a wrong name, File:Syrian National Council recognition.svg, so I moved it to a correct name, File:Syrian National Coalition recognition.svg. However, after the move it no longer displays which WP articles link to it, and the WP articles no longer display it, as evidently Commons redirects do not work outside of Commons. How do I trace which WP articles link to the redirect, so that I can fix them manually? (The two I fixed in WP-en might be the only ones there, but I've seen other WPs which use it.)

Or rather, some WP's do not follow the rd. Polish, German, and Chinese WP have no problem, but English, Arabic, Spanish, and Turkish WP do. Still, even though Polish, German, and Chinese WP display the img properly, there is no indication here on Commons that they link to it.

Kwamikagami (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Special:GlobalUsage/Syrian_National_Council_recognition.svg. But yes, redirects do work outside Commons, the usage of the file with its old redirected name is on display in de.wp (see source code of the article: council, not coaltion is the filename). Maybe you need to purge the page, but thats all. --Martin H. (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It didn't display on WP's I don't remember visiting, so I didn't think it was a purge problem. But maybe I had been there. Thanks for the link; looks like I got them all but for the one protected article. Kwamikagami (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Note that when using the "Move & replace" feature provided by AjaxQuickDelete gadget, the old name is automatically universally replaced by the new one (by virtue of the Commons Delinker), preventing that sort of issues. Jean-Fred (talk) 09:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Need a good category name for videos of animated/moving signs

There are quite a few videos of commercial signs: mechanically rotating, blinking neon signs (e.g. this), and digital outdoor screens, but there is no category to hold them together. One category is Category:Moving signs in Stockholm, but it has no good parent categories. Is "moving signs" the right term, or should it be "animated signs" or would "videos of signs" automatically imply that the sign is somehow moving/animated/blinking in order for a video to be used? --LA2 (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Add images from Flickr button in UploadWizard

If anyone reports seeing an "Add images from Flickr" button in UploadWizard, it was just a temporary glitch from the deployment today. Nothing to see here. Move along ;) Kaldari (talk) 20:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Canada's Section 13(2) repealed

Before it was employers who obtained rights to works of photographers who they hired, absent a contract to the contrary, whereas now it is the photographers. Took effect very recently. This will affect how we seek permission for Canadian photographs. See [3]. Dcoetzee (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

But I assume the status of photos created before the law have not changed? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The transitional provisions are at sections 59-62 of the amending law, S.C. 2012, c. 20 (initially introduced as bill C-11). Commissioned photos that were ordered before the coming into force of the change are treated under s. 13 (2) of the old version of the act [s. 60 of the amending law], which means the rights are still owned by the client. Photos that were already in the public domain remain in the public domain [s. 59(1) of the amending law]. For photos that were not yet in the public domain, the duration of the copyright does not change in general, except an extension in some cases. One change is an extension of the duration of the copyright on the photos whose original negative (or equivalent material) at the time of creation was owned by a corporation who was also the employer of a photographer. In the old version of the law, that corporation's copyright on the photo ended 50 years after the creation of the photo. In the new version of the law, the copyright owned by the corporate employer is extended and will now end 50 years after the death of its employee [effect of s. 59(2) of the amending law, combined with the abrogation of s. 13(2) of the old version of the act, with the unchanged s. 13(3) of the act and with te unchanged s. 6 of the act]. For photos whose original negative (or equivalent material) at the time of creation was owned by a corporation who was not the employer of the photographer (for example in a non-profit organization who provided the photographic material to the photographer without being its employer), the amending law strips the copyright from that non-employer corporation and transfers it to the photographer or, if the photographer was employed by someone else, to the employer and the duration of the copyright of this new copyright owner is extended to 50 years after the death of the photographer [same combination of sections]. However, for photos whose original negative (or equivalent material) at the time of creation was owned by an individual other than a corporation and other than the photographer (ex. your friend took a photo with your material), the copyright remains to this individual owner and its duration continues to be computed on the basis of 50 years after the death of this individual, not of the death of the photographer [s. 59(3) of the amending law]. I think that's about it. -- Asclepias (talk) 06:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

With some of the changes to the law, *employers* actually get more rights. The part of the changes I think you want to refer to affects *commissioned* works (more exactly, "an engraving, photograph or portrait ordered by some other person and made for valuable consideration"), which is a different matter. For example, when a client paid a studio for a portrait, unless agreement to the contrary, the client had the rights on that portrait and he could make copies of his portrait without having to go back and renogotiate with the studio owner every time. After the changes to the law, the rights belong to the photographer in theory, which may be beneficial to self-employed photographers, but remember that the changes to the law changed nothing to the fact that employers still own the rights to the photos created by the photographers they employ, and therefore in practice the changes to the law benefit not to employed photographers, but to their employers: studio owners, owners of media, owners of companies, etc. (See section the unchanged s. 13(3) of the act: "[...] in the employment [...] under a contract of service [...] and the work was made in the course of his employment") The propaganda by some politicians that the changes would supposedly favor photographers hides the fact that it basically benefits their employers. Actually, there is some sad irony in the conjunction of some changes to the law. In the old version of the act, photographs whose rights were owned by a corporate entity, for example a media, entered the public domain 50 years after their creation. After those 50 years, the employed photographer who took it could at least, like any other citizen, hope to be able to use his own photograph before his death without having to obtain the permission from his employer. Now after the changes, the photographer still doesn't own the rights, the employer still owns the rights. But the duration of the copyright is now computed on the basis of 50 years after the death of the photographer. The result is that the copyright duration is extended to the benefit of the employer, not of the photographer, and the employer owns the rights until 50 years after the death of the photographer. Not only the photographer cannot hope anymore to freely use his photographs before his death, but even his children will not have the right to use them for 50 years after his death without the permission of the employer. As for how Commons users seek permission, I don't think it will change much, but it might in some cases (details in the other paragraph above). -- Asclepias (talk) 03:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

November 15

File update: theora ->vp8

Is it allowed to update existing theora coded videos with new vp8 coded files in a higher resolution/bitrate? In the past I preferred to upload my videos in smaller filesizes to reduce the download time. But since the new timemediahandler is enabled I think hd-files would be a much better source for server-sided transcoding/streaming. --Pristurus (talk) 08:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Import from Simple English Wiki

Hello, I am creating a book from English Wikipedia articles, but there is an article in Simple Wikipedia that I would like to include. Is there a way to import or copy it into my book? I don't want to use Simple Wiki for my book because Eng Wiki has more articles relating to my subject matter.

Thanks, KC

This is really a question for the English Wikipedia - Commons mainly deals with files, not articles. I'm sure the people at en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) will be able to help you, though. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 18:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

President of Albania pics

Is someone able to contact USAID (may be also under a FOIA request) to find out the copyright situation of this pic of the back then Justice Minister of Albanian and right now President of Albania Bujar Nishani. I tried to contact theme but the webpage for contacts is right now down. BTW i found also some pics on the embassy in Tirana (here, here and here) but i couldn't find any way to contact somone.--Sanandros (talk) 14:06, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

No ideas?--Sanandros (talk) 17:22, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

the first picture is annotated as "Photo Credit: USAID" - just use {{PD-USGov-USAID}}.

the mail address of the Embassy's spokesperson Elizabeth (Betsy) Lewis is lewisea@state.gov (or simply call her: +355 6820 29830)

Rbrausse (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Moreton Wave Animation

HI!

I'm hoping someone can help with this matter.

On Wikipedia is the entry Moreton wave which features an animation File:MoretonWaveAnimation200612.gif with a copyright licensing to NSO stating that the images from the National Solar Observatory (NSO) were assembled into an animated GIF by Wikipedia user Huygens 25. None of the links to the National Solar Observatory listed with the gif are active, but I will try to find one that is. On www.nasa.gov is Measuring the Speed of a Solar Tsunami! which contains apparently all the NSO images and claims "You can watch the entire movie and see it more clearly (http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/weekly/MortonW ave.mpeg)." This link is also not active. This same section with images is also in Solar Math from the same www.nasa.gov. Neither of these contains any notice of copyright. NASA publications are Public Domain (PD) unless otherwise stated.

Are these images and thereby the videos also PD? Marshallsumter (talk) 22:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I would be tempted to assume that this is actually a mislabelling problem on NASA's part; the original NSO press release can be found in PDF form here. This is dated the day after the images were made, and has a credit line to "NSO/AURA/NSF and USAF Research Laboratory.". The telescope in question seems to be a joint NSO/Air Force Research Lab program, but as NSO is a private body I suspect this means that NSO are still able to hold copyright in it, as with the various NASA joint programs. Andrew Gray (talk) 18:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for commenting. I sent an email to Jackie Diehl (jdiehl@nso.edu) and received this reply: "Following discussions with the scientist that was involved with the images you've discussed, I can grant you usage permissions for the images. However, in doing so - I must stipulate that a secondary copyright is not allowed with these permissions. While the images were released from the NSO, the NSO and more specifically the Air Force maintain the original and only copyright to these images. Should you have additional questions, please feel free to contact me." In my email I asked about Public Domain status regarding the images. The NSO pdf site you mentioned doesn't state any copyright. Work performed by the US Air Force is also PD as a branch of the US government, unless otherwise stated, and of course they and NSO retain the original copyright. I believe the other copyright Diehl is referring to is the one on Wikipedia. The question I specifically asked was "Can you confirm that these images are now PD?" Should I upload the video here and see what happens? I have located one possible scientist involved to email so that may help also. --Marshallsumter (talk) 21:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

While there's no copyright notice on the press release, there is one on their general press page - here.

Electronic products such as images and captions created and/or prepared by NSO are copyrighted in content, presentation, and intellectual origin. These electronically available materials are considered intellectual property and are intended for use for educational, academic, and research purposes and are not intended for commercial use. Electronic versions of images are protected by copyright as intellectual property unless noted otherwise.

They go on to give a general educational use permission (including news media stories, which may be why there's no statement on the press release) but explicitly prohibit commercial use. Andrew Gray (talk) 23:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I saw that notice on their website. Except for Diehl's comment I would say this is another situation like SOHO images where NASA puts them on one of its web sites while the apparent originator site like NSO retains certain copyright over the images in their files but not those that NASA puts on its web sites or in its files. I don't believe NASA has made a mislabeling. Believe it or not, they really do know what their doing, and it's not throwing their weight around. I will see if I can track down that NASA video. Thank you again for commenting. --Marshallsumter (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I sent an email to NASA regarding their movie and received as part of the reply, this url=http://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/weekly/MortonWave.mpg, which appears similar to the Wikipedia movie, but may have been imaged by a different detector(?). I cannot download this apparently and would like to know if this is in someway uploadable to commons. NASA also mentioned they would check on the copyright issue. No response as yet to that. --Marshallsumter (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The additional NASA source mentions the NSO's OSPAN images and movie, url=http://www4.nso.edu/press/tsunami/tsunami_ospan.mov. The NASA movie also has "OSPAN" at the bottom left. The NASA movie is from their educational web sites although so far no copyright info. This is appearing more and more like conformance to explicitly forbidding commercial use. --Marshallsumter (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

November 14

UploadWizard broken

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T44143
RESOLVED

Whenever I try to upload a file using the UploadWizard, it stalls on the uploading part, saying "Getting file information and previews...". This just started today; it was working a few days ago. I tried blanking my common.js and turning off gadgets, but it didn't work. Any suggestions? I'm using Safari 5.1.7 on a MacBook Air running OS X 10.6.8. David1217 (talk) 05:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed. We'll look into it.--Eloquence (talk) 06:34, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Thanks for the report! Kaldari (talk) 11:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep, it's working now. David1217 (talk) 01:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Do usage rights continue?

Please see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dewet/GCIS

Do the rights granted by this email continue - can we use this permission to upload photos from the GCIS website today or does this only apply to that point in time? Gbawden (talk) 12:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thats not a valid permission. Who is "you" and for what exactly can "you" use the photos? Can he only reuse them - i.e. a typical permission for use in press publications - or can he use them for any purpose? This heavily depends on the request email and that email is not documented. Commons:Project scope#Required licensing terms is not fulfilled. And another unclear point - refering to the headline of this posting - does the permission allow him to use photos published after the request? The email speaks of "photos on GCIS website", not photos that will be on the website or not yet created photos. --Martin H. (talk) 15:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

The permission is currently used by 3 files. See User_talk:Duesentrieb/Archive_05-12#unannounced_image_deletion for background, where it's noted that the website at the time restricted use to non-commercial purposes. Rd232 (talk) 15:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Image:AnonEditWarning.png

Should be protected; it is used on an eN system message. 76.117.247.55 03:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done by Denniss. -- Rillke^(q?) 09:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Move category

We have a category Category:Towers in Belgrad, could someone please move it to Category:Towers in Belgrade ?. Kind regards, Bjoertvedt (talk) 08:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• Uncontroversial category moves like this can be requested at User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands. - Jmabel ! talk 09:14, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

New html5 player issues

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T44266

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask questions about the new html5 media player used at Wikimedia Projects, so please let me know if I should report this elsewhere. I'm having an issue opening pages with high numbers of audio files (which is often the case with categories like Category:Ogg files of music by Frederic Chopin): browser window (Firefox) or tab (Chromium) becomes unresponsible for about 20—30 seconds until that page can be successfully viewed/scrolled. It seems that the loading of the player is the bottleneck. A possible solution would be to load and render the player conditionally, only when the user decides to play a media file. Also, is there a way to temporarily disable the player, and use the native browser html5 media element UI instead? --YurB (talk) 21:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I´d here (Win 7, SeaMonkey) a similar issue with video pages. Disabling the prefetch function of the browser catch solved this problem for me. --Pristurus (talk) 21:32, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this! I can confirm the problem and I've forwarded it to the issue tracker at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42266 so the developers can investigate. --Malyacko (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

November 16

Correct naming of a category I'd like to create

This afternoon I've taken around 8 pictures at 2 rest areas along Interstate 75. I'd like to make a category that had the cateogies Category:Rest areas in the United States and Category:Interstate 75. Should the correct category name be something like "Rest areas along Interstate 75", "Interstate 75 rest areas" or what? --Mjrmtg (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I would probably name it "Interstate 75 rest areas", though either would be OK. You may also want to do rest areas by state; I see that other countries have the organized this way (see, for example, the subcategories of Category:Rest areas in Germany and Category:Michinoeki in Japan‎). cmadler (talk) 14:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

How do I get an acceptable picture

The Rijksmuseum museum had a piece of petrified wood from the Drees estate that was mistaken as a "moon rock" and looked like this. <--- How could I use this picture in the English Wikipedia "Netherlands lunar sample displays" article? Screenshot? Any ideas here where Wikipedia will accept the picture as or how it is a copyright free image? U.S. government image?----Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Questions specifically about a Wikipedia should preferably be asked on that Wikipedia. But since you're asking if there are any ideas here, my impression is that the answer might be that such an unfree photo should not be used there. Because you want to illustrate the subject, not comment about the photographic work. Normally, the possible solutions should be to ask permission from the author, or look for a free photo, or find someone who can go to the museum and take a free photo. -- Asclepias (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Although, if the mistake in labeling has been corrected a free photo can not be created, and we'd be reliant on what's out there, which does open up a possible fair use claim. Either way, you want Wikipedia, not Commons. cmadler (talk) 15:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Rendering of SVG text

The SVG thumbnailer is currently producing erroneous output on File:Asterisk.svg: the top quarter of the image is empty and the asterisk is cut off at the bottom. Viewing the native SVG gives no such problem. Has a font suddenly been lost on the server? Or is poor old librsvg having a bad day? This, that and the other (talk) 06:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The image has been reverted, but the problem still stands with the old versions. They worked up until very recently! This, that and the other (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're using to view the native SVG, but I've used three different programs (Inkscape, Firefox, Image Viewer) and they all show a similar result to the thumbnail shown here. I don't know what's changed, but I've tweaked the old (2007) version so it works fine here now. --Avenue (talk) 17:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

IN case you're sure that there's really an issue in the SVG renderer (and not in the file), please file a bug report with the testcase and good comparisons under https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia&component=SVG%20rendering after checking for existing tickets under https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=160992&component=SVG%20rendering&product=Wikimedia . Thanks for your help! --Malyacko (talk) 16:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding a cat to a protected file

I regularly want to add categories to protected files and I'm wondering why some are protected... Anyway, can anyone add Category:LG Group to File:LG 시네마 3D TV 새 모델 ‘소녀시대’ 영입.jpg ? Thanks. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 14:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Files used on the front page are protected for a day. I assume the file will not be protected tomorrow. --Jarekt (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Problem with image thumbs

I started again scanning and uploading Journal de Bruxelles images. The server seems to have problems with rendering images of File:Journal de Bruxelles nr 136 1800 (362 363).png. Wat is the problem? PS: I will have to rename to keep the same standard: It should be: Journal de Bruxelles nr 136 1800 (362, 363).png (with comma)Smiley.toerist (talk) 01:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a typical COM:MAXTHUMB case - see the link for templates to use to link a jpeg version which can be thumbnailed. NB you have the printer fr:Jean-Louis de Boubers as the author; I'm not sure that's correct. Rd232 (talk) 01:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

808 kB is not oversize. I suspect it is because it is scanned in png format and then cropped. Cropping png files can probably lead to technicaly incorrectly coded files. I chose the png formaat because due to the bad quality of the printing I have to edit image extensively to remove ink stains, double images from other pages, etc. jpeg images are not stable by extensive editing due to the re-rendering of the image after every edit. Jean-Louis de Boubers seems to be the correct editor. He lived in Brussels at the time (1800). The adres given is: rue de la Montagne.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I try the gif format but it doesnt work. File:Journal de Bruxelles nr 136 1800 (362, 363).gif Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I have another scanner than in the past and I am trying out different parameters. File:Journal de Bruxelles nr 136 1800 (361).jpg. Is this better than File:Journal de Bruxelles nr 136 1800 (361).png? Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:16, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thumbnails are not made for PNG and GIF images larger than 12 Mpx (3000 x 4000). Yann (talk) 11:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I scaled down the PNG to 3,963 × 3,000 and the problem is fixed. File:Journal de Bruxelles nr 136 1800 (362 363).png. The GIF can be deleted. Yann (talk) 11:57, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

The limit moved up to 25MPx recently. See COM:MAXTHUMB. --99of9 (talk) 12:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

A suggestion. As these images are predominantly text, I suggest to scan in high resolution in TIFF and convert them to PDF with Acrobat Pro including OCR. A part will be not recognized by the OCR, but the quality of the image remains with the right settings. A big advantage is that the text can be searched. Moreover more images can be combined in one PDF. Wouter (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I though PDF is not uploadable on the commons. I tried an OCR program but it wasnt a bigg success. The lettertype is ancient and there where to many errors. Even after I removed a lot of noise (ink blots etc). At least halve the words got mangled. I havent got Acrobat Pro anyway. But anyone can try and I can deliver an TIFF file. Typing it out by hand is to much work. We could enter a lot of key words to help the search engines. By the other journals I have added a lot of categories. For example on the first page of nr 136, there is the mention of finding of a feral child in Aveyron. (but first I have to move the "Feral Childern" category. One thing leads to an other)Smiley.toerist (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

PDF's are allowed. There are several on commons. But if you are scanning as TIFF why not upload as TIFF (A tiff file can contain more than one page too)? Bawolff (talk) 00:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

A note on 808kb comment above - compressed file size doesn't matter (It's uncompressed file size that we care about). For certain types of images PNG compression can be very effective (In this case it looks like the image consists of only two colours, which is probably why the file size is so small). What does matter is the resolution of the image. The original version exceeded the resolution. Bawolff (talk) 00:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I have tried with Acrobat Pro and OCR. The OCR did not give a useful result. Wouter (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I have a copy of ABBYY which is much better OCR, if you want to send the images to me. However with ancient fonts and languages normally some kind of extension package is required. Dcoetzee (talk) 18:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

What is our policy on which kinds of templates must be substituted?

There is a pending bot request which, if approved, will result in all templates listed in Category:Templates which must be substituted actually being substituted. This seems obvious enough, but there is some question about whether those templates actually all need substitution. Please could the community point me to any policy/guidelines on substitution, or at least weigh in on which types of template must/should/shouldn't/mustn't be substituted. For the details people amongst you, please can you check the actual list, and remove {{Must be substituted}} from any templates you don't want substituted. --99of9 (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)