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Contents 1 November 10 1.1 "Lithographies" vs. "Lithographs" 2 November 11 2.1 Doubt about my own upload... 2.2 Toolserver down 2.3 Can someome move/rename this? 2.4 I'm looking for a picture of David Barish's sailwing 2.5 Searching for uncategorized videos? 3 November 15 3.1 HTML appearing in file history 3.2 Wiktionary_Hover: a JavaScript on double-click 4 November 16 4.1 Two claiming authorship on same photograph 4.2 Retro Console Pics (Gaming) 4.3 unclear missing permission at File:Christine Chen.jpg 4.4 Attribution to the author 4.5 Policy on summaries? 4.6 Category:Historism 5 November 17 5.1 FOP in Philippines? 5.2 Probs with purging 5.3 Wrong plates 5.4 Upload protection enabled 5.5 Scope? : Team and Logo of "Cook Ross", Washington DC 5.6 Internationalization of categories? 5.7 Information Request 6 November 18 6.1 Template:Ngw2 6.2 .svg-image with an unwanted black line 6.3 London categories 6.4 scope? - bacardi-party 7 November 19 7.1 Nominate for Deletion button broken 7.2 Permission Requests Taskforce? 8 November 20 8.1 Best way to upload source files? 8.2 Google copyright? 8.3 No refresh 9 November 21 9.1 Superresolution for low-res images 9.2 "Greetings from the user "Appleworm"" see [5] 9.3 Unusual Category 9.4 Bundesarchiv Categorization status 9.5 SVG converting? 9.6 Oversight nomination 10 November 22 10.1 File:Heckert GNU white.svg 10.2 Not existing Heckert_GNU_white.svg in Licensing

[edit] November 10

[edit] "Lithographies" vs. "Lithographs"

Is there any reason we have some categories with names that begin with "Lithographies" and others that begin with "Lithographs"? I'm guessing that the former were just someone's poor English, and they should all be renamed "Lithographs…" but thought I'd check here first in case I'm missing something.

For examples, see Category:Lithographies, Category:Lithographs. The latter is currently a subcat of the former. - Jmabel ! talk 22:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

It's been a few days, no one has commented, I'll put in the request. - Jmabel ! talk 17:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The histories of these category pages indicate they've been around for a while. You might see whether the early editors are still active on Commons. The first contributor to the Category:Lithographies page was an IP address. I guess that was back when unregistered users could still create pages. It would probably be difficult to identify that person and ask him or her to explain the naming choice. --Teratornis (talk) 21:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

RESOLVED. Undoubtedly happened because Lithographies is correct in French. - Jmabel ! talk 21:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 11

[edit] Doubt about my own upload...

Hi everyone. I have uploaded this file, thinking that it was PD-US since the film was released in 1914. But I realized that it was written "old time action drama" and "Cecil B DeMille's first epic" on the poster, which could suggest that it was made long after the movie... --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 16:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Either of those two slogans are also consistent with the hypothesis that the poster was contemporary with the film.

• The film is set in a time well before 1914; hence "old time". The film was based on the 1905 play which was already a period piece.
• Even in 1914 it would have been possible to say that this was "Cecil B DeMille's first epic." Since the poster does not state that there was more than one epic, we only know the poster cannot be older than the oldest date when it was apparent that DeMille had produced his first epic. In other words, we only know the poster cannot be much older than 1914. We have no idea whether the poster is much younger than that.

I suppose you could invoke the precautionary principle, but in this case that seems like copyright paranoia. You might try to track down whoever owns the copyright to the poster and ask them. The Squaw Man (1914 film) says the film was from Famous Players-Lasky which today is Paramount Pictures. Someone there might know if they hold the copyright to this poster. If they do then you could try following the procedure in COM:OTRS. --Teratornis (talk) 05:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess you're right, that may be copyright paranoia! Actually the style of the poster seems pretty old to me so I don't think it's much younger than the movie itself. And I think DeMille was quite well-known before his cinema career because of the plays he made or acted in. So I suppose you're right about the interpretation of the sentences. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 17:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to be clear, note that I'm only claiming the poster could be as old as 1914. For all we know it might be younger. The Wikipedia article says the movie was remade twice, so you might check to make sure the poster does not apply to the later remakes. If the poster is really about the original film, that might suggest it is not younger than the first remake. But this is not conclusive. I think given the probable age of the poster and the obscurity of the film, the odds are low that anybody is going to complain even if the poster is still under copyright. Copyright is ultimately about money, and when it comes to movies, money is about how popular a film is going forward. A film which has no present or future market value seems unlikely to be the first concern of the MPAA's lawyers. Not that I'd expect them to give an inch if they have a case. --Teratornis (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well since it's written "DeMille's first epic", it DOES concern the 1914 movie. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 17:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Toolserver down

"maintenance is in progress, but is taking longer than the expected 3 hours. sorry for the inconvenience." Please see toolserver-l. -- User:Docu at 07:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

No wonder: Friday 13th November. ;-) --Túrelio (talk) 08:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Is the MayFlower search down indefinitely? mahanga (talk) 23:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can someome move/rename this?

I uploaded "Electronhom Telidon terminal.jpeg". That first word should have an e at the end. Can someone fix? Maury Markowitz (talk)

Fixed. Kaldari (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I'm looking for a picture of David Barish's sailwing

Hi. I'm looking for free pictures of David Barish's wings (see the pictures on that page). As far as I understand, David Barish designed those wings for the NASA, so do you know if there is any chance I could find public domain pictures in a NASA database? --PiRK (talk) 21:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Searching for uncategorized videos?

I'd like have a listing of videos that are not in Category:Videos or any of its subcategories. How can I do a search for that, so I can appropriately categorize those videos. The file extension is .ogv and sometimes .ogg. Thanks. mahanga (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be a very complicated thing to do. I'd imagine a query could be written to find all the files that have ".ogv" or ".ogg" in the file namespace, then run a check against that list to see if it is in the category tree you mentioned. But that would take somebody very bot-oriented to put together. :-) Killiondude (talk) 23:42, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have a list of all videos in that category (using AWB). If I were given a text file list of all ogv files, I could do a comparison and easily find those needing categorization. .ogg is a little trickier, since most are sound files. Maybe there's a way to search for Ogg multiplexed audio/video file or Ogg Theora video files? Actually, I'm gonna try downloading one of the database dumps and using AWB to work with it. mahanga (talk) 01:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, for those curious on what I did.

1. Downloaded AutoWikiBrowser
2. Downloaded Commons Database Dump (Articles, templates, image descriptions, and primary meta-pages)[1] - 651mb compressed archive, expanded to ~6gb.
3. Use AWB Database scanner to get a list of all ogv files
   1. From that list, remove ogv files already on the category:Videos. Found 414 ogv files.
4. Ogg files was more difficult since most are audio files and unfortunately, the file description pages don't list filetype information (such as mimetype or resolution) which would help in differentiating audio and video.
   1. Get a list of all ogg files with video|videos|ffmpeg in the file description.
   2. Remove ogg files already on category:videos. Resulted with 321 ogg files. I estimate 10-20% are still audio files.

A total of roughly 735 videos were found. I've listed them here User:mahanga/ogvlist and ogglist. mahanga (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, I found thousands of .ogg files not in any of the audio categories. mahanga (talk) 06:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice! I didn't think about doing that. Maybe we should set up a page for these kind of reports? I mean, I have User:Killiondude/sandbox 2 which lists talk pages with no associated article/file/category page. Something like w:Wikipedia:Database reports, but for Commons. (Maybe there's something similar, that I don't know about?) Killiondude (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

That's a good idea, though I'm not sure how active it would be. mahanga (talk) 16:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 15

[edit] HTML appearing in file history

The file history section of File:Muskingum County Courthouse Zanesville OH.jpg, instead of showing a thumbnail of the original image, displays HTML as follows:

<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/cf/20060414145944%21MuskinghamCtyCourthouse_ZanesvilleOH.jpg"><img alt="Thumbnail for version as of 16:41, 12 April 2006" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/archive/c/cf/20060414145944%21MuskinghamCtyCourthouse_ZanesvilleOH.jpg/120px-MuskinghamCtyCourthouse_ZanesvilleOH.jpg" width="120" height="90" border="0" /></a>

This image was reuploaded with a few changes, and a few similar lines of HTML appear in the reuploaded line. Any idea what could be causing this, and what (if anything) we could do to fix it? Nyttend (talk) 04:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

That's not the "real" file history. The image seems to have been moved from File:MuskinghamCtyCourthouse ZanesvilleOH.jpg, and the bot copied over the file history. More of it seems to be on the talk page of the current file. That move isn't very clear... Killiondude (talk) 06:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It's not the actual file history, just a poorly made reproduction by a bot. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wiktionary_Hover: a JavaScript on double-click

Wikinews proposes a script to display the Wiktionary definition in a small board, when one double-click on a word. It's already been installed in the following Wiktionairies gadgets: in French and in Italian. The interface of the board depends on the user's language preferences.

To add it here, we should vote for an administrator, in:

1. MediaWiki:Gadget-dictionaryLookupHover.js, copies without the guillemets : "importScriptURI('http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dictionaryLookupHover.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');"
2. MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, adds "* dictionaryLookupHover|dictionaryLookupHover.js"
3. MediaWiki:Gadget-dictionaryLookupHover, describes the gadget. JackPotte (talk) 15:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done Otourly (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 16

[edit] Two claiming authorship on same photograph

Compare File:First Bank of US (2).jpg just uploaded by User:Rfj0906 with File:First Bank of US.jpg uploaded in March 2007 by User:Euthman. Each claims "own work," but the Metadata is almost exactly the same. Should picture (2) be loaded as a New Version of the earlier one? Estillbham (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

That is a bit interesting. I will assume the original one by User:Euthman is legitimate; it was uploaded 2.5 years ago and the same user does appear to have a Flickr account which some of his photos are linked to. User:Rfj0906... hrm. That user just uploaded 5 photos, with 4 different types of cameras (3 different Nikons and an Olympus). Possible, but given the problem that one image is just a slightly processed version of Euthman's image (same exact metadata), that seems a little more dodgy. It is possible they are the same person, just forgetting they had made an account earlier. It could be a user improving existing images, then incorrectly thinking that the changes made them the copyright owner. But, I don't see User:Rfj0906's other uploads previously existing on Commons. It may be the user earlier downloaded some photos into their computer from elsewhere, then forgot they did not take them, and is now uploading them. It would be best to ask on their talk page, probably. The four-different-cameras thing is a little dubious, but not impossible. And no, unless they are the same person, the newer version should not be uploaded on top of the old one -- it is not an obvious improvement; better to have both versions available. Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Retro Console Pics (Gaming)

Hello, I've just launched a site, www.retroconsolepics.com, which offers high quality images of retro video game/computer systems. The images are available for download as well as canvas prints, posters and framed pictures.

I wonder if there's some mutual benefit from you being able to offer my images within your existing product line? Whether I offer the service white labelled to you or it's a simple referral with a commission I don't know. However I do think there's something here which may be of use to both of us.

All the best, www.retroconsolepics.com

All images here are free to take by anybody, if you follow the terms of the license. If you upload your images here under CC license, they will have a lot of visibility and you will be able to add a link to your website in the text under images. You can also specify that anybody reusing your images will have to add "(c) Your name / www.retroconsolepics.com / CC-by-sa-3.0" nearby. --Jarekt (talk) 02:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

That looks like spam -- a "commission"? At any rate, screenshots of old games would still be copyrighted and most likely not acceptable here anyways. Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

No, but pictures of the hardware would usually be free. As Jarekt says, if he wants to upload the pictures, we'll be happy to offer all the attribution that CC-by-sa provides.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, quite right -- misread that. Yes, photos of the consoles themselves are quite welcome, provided the photographers are willing to license them with CC-BY-SA. Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] unclear missing permission at File:Christine Chen.jpg

Here is a missing permission since may 2009, but it is not properly deleted or kept, checked or what else ?! Cholo Aleman (talk) 05:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleted. Regards, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution to the author

Let's say I would want to use this picture File:70_x_70_-_Alien_Nation.JPG on a website. I can't find the information how I should attribute the author. Also on the page there is text Author and a text: Schwarzes-flimmern which is actually a link.

Then there is also text Categories: Paintings by Frank Schwarz. So how do I attribute the author? And will I use Frank Schwarz or Schwarzes-flimmern? I found some information here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Credit_line but I don't know which credit line I should use..

Thank in advance!

See Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. If you want to credit Schwarzes-flimmern, then you might write Commons-user:Schwarzes-flimmern, eventually with an underlying link to his talkpage. However, as of Category:Paintings by Frank Schwarz we can safely assume that User:Schwarzes-flimmern is the painter Frank Schwarz himself. So you might well credit him under that name. Beyond the artist credit don't forget "For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work. The best way to do this is with a link to this web page."[2] --Túrelio (talk) 19:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest "© Frank Schwarz / cc-by-3.0". --Jarekt (talk) 19:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies! Still one more question: How do you know that the license is CC-BY and not for example CC-SA? I mean, CC is clear to me, but I can't see anything in the page that states it's CC-BY..

BY stands for the license condition Attribution. See the license template on the image page, the type of license is identifiable through the name of the license written in the template (Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported), it is also identifiable throught the weblink http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/, the license template uses the symbols described in http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/. Also you have the name of the license template {{cc-by-3.0}}. We have lot of Creative Commons license here on Commons. --Martin H. (talk) 01:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Policy on summaries?

This file came to my attention. IMO, the text following the template in the Summary section doesn't belong here, but should be part of the article, properly sourced. COM:POL was no help, could someone point me to the relevant page(s)? Paradoctor (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Historism

Does anyone understand the intent of Category:Historism and its subcategories? Some of these seem to relate to various types of revivalist architecture, but I can't even say that is a theme running through them all. en:Historism is not particularly helpful in elucidating the matter; I suspect it is not the meaning of the word intended here. In any case, whoever created the subcategories clearly has ignored the supercategories (and/or vice versa). Something needs to be sorted out here. -- Jmabel ! talk 23:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

One thing useful in en:Historism, though: it is quite specific that historism is not a synonym for the more common English word historicism. Historicism would have an plausible relationship to revivalist architectural styles. - Jmabel ! talk 23:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I've done my best to notify everyone who has done closely related categorization, hoping someone can provide some insight. I notice it's mostly Germans, so it may be a problem of a false cognate. - Jmabel ! talk 23:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)</ref>

en:Historicism (art) is probably what is meant, of which a subcat would be en:Architectural revivalism. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• Historism (or historicism or revivalism sometimes eclecticism) in architecture of the 19th century is a well-defined concept. However, this definition is simple for any given culture, but not so simple for the whole world. The boundaries between preceding neoclassicism and historism, and between historism and modernity are different in each culture. I am not sure that all national varieties (en:Victorian architecture and its subgenres, en:Beaux-Arts architecture, etc...) deserve being piled up into one catch-all category. NVO (talk) 03:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

just have a look at de:Historismus and see, you dont have to read German...--Kresspahl (talk) 03:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• Ich kann ganz gut Deutsch lesen. Aber… "Historism" is not a term I have ever heard a native English speaker use in this sense. "Historicism"? Sure. But look at how this thing is fit into the category hierarchy:

Supercategories	Paintings, Art by subject
Category	Historism
Subcategories	Academic dress (Historism), Historism architecture, Exterior views of the Altes Museum Berlin, Historicist architects

… and as an aid in looking at the most important part down the hierarchy from there:

To display all subcategories, click on the "+". [+] Historism architecture

No matter how you slice it, this makes no sense, and can't be solved just by turning "Historism" to "Historicism". For example, academic dress is not a subcat of paintings. - Jmabel ! talk 04:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed in general... take out dresses and inkpots, leave architecture - what is the proper, uncontroversial name for it ? Category:Eclectic architecture is fairly well filled, its parent Category:Eclectic art is not, but I suspect this concept is narrower than historicism in general. NVO (talk) 05:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Recently there was somewhat related, though far more narrow discussion on Forum (german language only) about subgroups/cats of Historism architecture. --Túrelio (talk) 07:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I created this during the import of the Yorck Project where some of the paintings were labeled as this genre (probably in German) and I did my best at categorization and translation. My guess is a bad translation of Historismus into Historism is why I created this. Some of the files have "Historienmalerei" on them and maybe I turned that into Historism instead of "history painting". I'm not fully sure, but I think the root of this is the translation from German to English. Feel free to change as makes sense--that's just the history of it. gren (talk) 12:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You find the translation "Historismus-historism" in online-dictionaries like leo.org.--Kresspahl (talk) 13:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I say that just goes to show how far you should trust an online dictionary. - Jmabel ! talk 23:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 17

[edit] FOP in Philippines?

Does anybody know whether there is a freedom of panorama law in the Philippines? Our FOP page has nil information about that. The immediate cause for this question is whether File:Combat de la Hoya Pacquiao.jpg might be covered by FOP. --Túrelio (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Much of Philippine copyright law is based off US law (since the country was a US territory for a good part of the 20th century), even their fair use clauses are the same as ours. ViperSnake151 (talk) 23:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Probs with purging

I would like to purge the cache on that file using ?action=purge. But if I am doing that, the system claims: "No file by this name exists, but you can upload it."

Do you have any suggestions? Cheers, --Yikrazuul (talk) 13:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I just used the "Purge" button in the upper bar, and the system didn't complain at all. Firefox 3.5.5 here. -- IANEZZ  (talk) 13:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Just for reference, the link was http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Aminolevulinic_synthesis.png&action=purge -- IANEZZ  (talk) 13:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aminolevulinic_synthesis.png?action=purge works fine as well. Perhaps you made a typo when adding ?action=purge to the URL? -- IANEZZ  (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thx Ianezz! You made it! Could have been an typo, though I used c&p....Cheers, --Yikrazuul (talk) 14:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong plates

File:Koeh-250.jpg originally was a scan of a botanical plate showing a kind of almond; in 2007 it was replaced with a different plate of another kind of plant. The second editor's other work may need to be checked and fixed. What is the best way to do this? --Una Smith (talk) 15:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

The real problem may be that on Köhler 1887 alphabetical english the replacement plate is still identified as an almond. --Una Smith (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks like someone uploaded the wrong replacement images for File:Koeh-249.jpg, File:Koeh-250.jpg, and File:Koeh-251.jpg. I think I've fixed them all. Kaldari (talk) 20:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Upload protection enabled

It's now finally possible for admins to protect a file only from reuploading, but not from editing the file description page. If no one else does, I'll start moving down the protection level of most files within the next days. However, I've unprotected a first file already now: Feel free to give File:Wikimedia-button-for-homepage.png the categories that it needed since 6 September 2009. --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yay :) Huib talk 18:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! I can help out if needed. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scope? : Team and Logo of "Cook Ross", Washington DC

The user "Interncookross" unloaded several files and logos with portraits from people from a consulting firm in the US, named Cook Ross, see http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Interncookross - all of them are without categories, one category is wrong. Are these files in the scope of the commons?? - they will be perfect for a homepage of the company, but I personally think they can hardly be used here. Two of them look like portraits from a studio, not self taken. Cholo Aleman (talk) 19:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I agree with you, I deleted the files as out of scope, none of them where in use.

Best regards,

Huib talk 19:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! - next case: see below Cholo Aleman (talk) 18:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Internationalization of categories?

Hello, I haven't found this topic in the archives, so I place it here. At the moment Commons very english language centric. This limits commons for a wider audience. Are there some change requests for the software which will allow internationalization of categories?--Avron (talk) 20:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes (sorry, can't find a link), but until then use sum-it-up to at least add descriptions in multiple languages. Multichill (talk) 10:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd love to have them in multiple languages, but the main reasons for opposition of this is that category redirects don't yet work. --The Evil IP address (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Information Request

Can anyone tell me where I can find information on the average of Iowan's by county or city. I have printed out the pyramid with ages for Sioux County and see that we have quite a few young people, but I would like to know how that compares to other counties in Iowa. I believe I heard once that we have the 5th average youngest age in the state, but I would like to verify that. Any help would be appreciated. Bonnie Meier bmeier@orangecitycomm.net

Hi! This is Wikimedia Commons, which is the image repository for a lot of wikis on the internet. Your question might best be suited for Wikipedia's Reference Desk at w:WP:RDM. :-) Killiondude (talk) 23:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 18

[edit] Template:Ngw2

Am I correct in thinking that files with {{Ngw2}} need another tag on them for a license...? I came across it on File:Countymonaghanarms.jpg. Killiondude (talk) 06:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right. And I don't think this tag should be made to look like a license, either. Its appearance is in complete contradiction with its content (it looks like free license, but is in fact a strange warning — BTW, do we really need it? A tag saying this image has nothing to do with this website?) –Tryphon^☂ 09:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You are right, this tag does not show a source (I mean the real source) or copyright status, therefore it is misleading. Would you please file a deletion request? Sv1xv (talk) 09:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Done, here it is. –Tryphon^☂ 10:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

(I realized you probably meant the file, not the tag. But I think the tag is questionable at best, and I'd like to hear more opinions, so anyway...) –Tryphon^☂ 10:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

No, I do mean the tag, it is useless and potentially misleading. Sv1xv (talk) 10:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I see... Please disregard my last comment then :-) –Tryphon^☂ 10:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

On a side note: is the information in {{ngw}} correct? The disclaimer at the bottom of http://www.ngw.nl apparently says something quite different. -- IANEZZ  (talk) 16:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] .svg-image with an unwanted black line

I uploaded Oslo Metro map.svg, and discovered a black, horizontal line in the image. I noticed a similar, vertical line has been made in a previous upload, Copenhagen Metro with City Circle Line map.svg, but has not bee uploaded with the diagram Copenhagen Metro map.svg. These lines do not show up in Inkscape, so I am uncertain how to remove them. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Help:SVG#Fonts possibly. --Martin H. (talk) 11:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed it. You need to remove flowed text elements, because they're not properly supported by Common's SVG rendering software. –Tryphon^☂ 11:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :) Arsenikk ^(talk) 11:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] London categories

Can editors who live in the London area and who are thus already familiar with London place names and nuances of usage, please cast an eye over the work I am doing to enable easier diffusion of the huge image backlog in Category:London. There currently appears not to be enough knowledgeable editors reading the Categories for Discussion pages who appreciate the the need for these amendments and the advantages to doing it in such a way that is both coherent in its local context and remains consistent with the rest of the UK categories. So I appeal to you here to provide the necessary support to vote the right changes through. This “should” be easy, but between the limited times I have available each day to edit WC, other well meaning editors are making changes which confuse issues, so I find my limited time has been spent on trying to sort that out instead.

The background for these improvements are:
The old borough category names were too ambiguous or unclear for many up-loaders to Wikimedia Commons to know which was the proper “place” category to put an image in, so we have amassed a truly huge backlog. Whereas, a clear category system has already been worked out and adopted by [[3]]. Also, as up-loaders appear to consult en:WP before uploading it seams sensible and in keeping with Wiki policy to adopt the existing en:WP names as well, rather than invent something new.

The “London Boroughs” nearly got done by giving them their proper names but some of the possibilities for confusion has survived due to the way they were initially renamed. Example: Category:Haringey got renamed >Category:Haringey, Borough of London<. This cat then got redirected to the correct form of “London Borough of Haringey. This means that ambiguity has now been shifted to confuse editors using the hotcats tool where >Category:Haringay, Borough of London< can still be seen. What this means means in practice is, that it still stays the easiest choice for hotcat users, to place an image in too high a parent cat (where there are too many already) instead of lower down -bad practice. Because of the way humans recognize things in groups, it is obviously better to have the error going the other way; as should the image get placed too low down in the hierarchy it becomes easier to spot and correct by other editors, such occurrences tend to jump out at you. This needs to be fixed by deleting all occurrences of this bad formate ( >Category:X, Borough of London<) . The ‘WikiProject London’ way of arranging things appears to work quite well and is simple and clear.

Most of the images waiting diffusion, will also need to be added to their appropriate and currently underused Category:Districts_of_London (it is almost empty of existing entries to show up when cat searching, so it’s a chicken and egg problem). This cat is best thought of as a gazetteer type (the boroughs being local government groups). The efficient and most helpful way I can see is: if I was to create them ‘en masse’ using the same name as used on en:WP. Then add some gazetteer text so that uploaders know for sure that they have found the right (or wrong) category. This will take me some time as there is bound to be ‘districts’ added during the school holidays that are miss-categorised, so will have to check all those I don’t recognise. Problem: It is normally WC practice to delete empty categories, and the empty categories that appeared during the last change have already been deleted before anyone has had the opportunity them to use them. Also some ad hoc entries seem to have appeared in their place which perhaps ought not be there. Because this approach would initially mean a large number of empty categories, I was wondering if a template would stop them getting deleted by passing editors doing their normal tidy-up exercises. I am thinking of something along the line:

Administrators: Do not delete this category because it is empty!
This new category is waiting for images of  London by district  to be diffused into it. 

This would also save uploaders from having to learn how to create the ‘district’ category themselves, what name they ought to give it (this will also avoid poor names getting created by them which will require further debate to correct). It will save them the inclination and effort to actually do it – which time has proven they don’t have in ample measure. Lastly: by adding these missing categories, they will from thereon, show up for use during category searches. It would also really be a great help to have someone who can both operate the bot to make these changes and understands the nuances so to avoid getting distracted by tangential augments. It then may become a much smoother and rapid process.--P.g.champion (talk) 18:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Empty categories shouldn't be that big of a problem. As you might have noticed I created a whole category structure for towns and villages at the British Isles and that still has to be filled up too.

Don't forget to add commonscat links at Wikipedia, this way users can easily navigate to the categories here and my bots will start putting images in these new categories.

And please do use sum-it-up to generate descriptions and backlinks. Multichill (talk) 22:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Problem is some of our present Boroughs are not historic but political creations to make administration easier, historical districts were stuck together regardless of where people thought (and think) they lived/live, this identification with a historic district is reflected in the Districts of London category, and the category should not be seen as mutually exclusive of the Borough of London categories.KTo288 (talk) 10:12, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for underlining that KTo288. However, that’s now become a bit of a moot point, because I have been forced to abandon this project by a single editor who continuously churns theses groups of images up, even as I and a friend are working through them. Also, I don’t see how anybody else in the right minds will want to help check for overlaps or gaps, because to join in this game of silly monkeys makes any further work futile. So it has became, sort of, stone dead.--P.g.champion (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] scope? - bacardi-party

Similar (a bit) like the files above: here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Domzki are the contributions from Domzki, about 5 pictures from a party, one has Categories (Leapfrog), but what is with the others? Useable? I doubt it... Cholo Aleman (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks! there were some reactions. for me this case is closed. Cholo Aleman (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 19

[edit] Nominate for Deletion button broken

Just a note that the "Nominate for deletion" button in the left toolbox appears non-functional. Searched around to see if this has already been reported but came up empty. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Does your browser block pop-ups? --MGA73 (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No. To be precise, the button does function, but it simply went to a page that showed some broken code. I just tried the function again, and it did not do this (obviously I didn't try submitting a nomination on any random image!), so the problem may have been temporary. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Permission Requests Taskforce?

Last week, in the course of this FP nomination, there was talk of an awesome, 24 403 x 13 973 pixel mosaic image showing the same part of space as the candidate but available only by requesting permission from the author. This is not the first time this has happened - a superior image being available in theory, with the only obstacle being that we would have to talk to the author to acquire it (with Flickr images this is particularly common). As on previous occasions, no one proved up to the task (myself included).

I see a strong need for a small group of people on Commons dedicating themselves to the task of requesting permission/relicensing for exceptional images from the copyright holders. Often, when hearing about our project and what CC is, they are very much willing to do so. How about establishing a "Permissions Request Taskforce"? We already have the Graphic Lab, where users can request image improvement, Commons:Requests_for_translation, Durova's Encyclopedic image restoration page, where image restoration can be requested, and probably a few more that I'm not aware of. What I envision is a single place (like Commons:Requests_for_translation) where users, after finding that there is some exceptional image available through the author, can post a request for the author to be contacted that is then picked up by volunteers who will quickly gain experience on how to properly do this (en:Wikipedia:Example_requests_for_permission might provide a few ideas).

While of course not every request will be successful, this should greatly increase the number of requests sent and consequentially also the number of requests that are actually granted, making some of those fantastic images a part of Commons that we now only stare at with envy. -- JovanCormac 07:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Seems too formal. Is there any compelling reason as to why our current practice isn't working? –blurpeace ^(talk) 08:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

What is "our current practice"? From the example I gave it appears that it is "well, someone may do it, or someone may not, and in the end it doesn't get done", which is exactly the problem. -- JovanCormac 17:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I think a page on commons that guides users on how to best ask for permission would be very useful. This should also include cooperation projects with image databases.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 07:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

That's what we need at the very least, yes. -- JovanCormac 07:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I like this idea too. We could also have a place where names of people contacting other parties are kept. It might be confusing to other websites and database administrators to be contacted repeatedly by people representing Wiki[mp]edia that do not know about each other, or about the last exchange. --Jarekt (talk) 13:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I do think a taskforce could be a nice idea, I think I would even join it :) Huib talk 14:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

This could be very useful. I have a bit of experience in getting people to release images under a free licence, but I often encounter situations where I don't speak the language of the copyright holder. Having a centralized place (ordered by language) to ask for help would be great. Pruneau^talk 14:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I cannot see why a "small group of people on Commons" is necessary. Needless formalities. I'd support an information page or task force though. –blurpeace ^(talk) 20:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Of course, the more people join, the better! "Small group" was not a reference to restrictions of any kind. -- JovanCormac 21:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Misinterpretation on my part. Commons:WikiProject Permission requests could be a start. –blurpeace ^(talk) 21:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I set up the page, and the first two ideas for permission requests. Who's with me? -- JovanCormac 10:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Great work. Maybe a participants list? I'll set one up. –blurpeace ^(talk) 19:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 20

[edit] Best way to upload source files?

I would like to upload the source files used to create an image, but the files are in the GGB (GeoGebra) format. What is the best way to upload this type of file? SharkD (talk) 00:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know whether Commons is set up to do that. See Commons:File types for what is allowed here. Is the GeoGebra format text or binary? If it is text, an ugly way would be to paste the content of a source file into a section on the talk page of the image you generated from the source. If the format is binary, that would be even uglier. The GeoGebra article links to GeoGebraWiki which runs on the MediaWiki software like Commons. You might explore GeoGebraWiki to see how they handle uploading. If the site administrators there have worked out something nice, you could propose something similar for Commons. Or maybe you could upload your source files to GeoGebraWiki and link to the source files from here. I see we have a Category:Created with GeoGebra, a GeoGebra gallery, a {{Created with GeoGebra}} template, etc. You could look at the history of those pages to find other Commons users who know about GeoGebra. Maybe some of them have figured out a way to handle source files. --Teratornis (talk) 05:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• The Upload Materials page appears to document how you can upload .ggb files to GeoGebraWiki. It looks like you can create an account there, upload your .ggb files, and then add links in your image descriptions on Commons to the corresponding .ggb files over there.
• The GeoGebra XML Format describes the .ggb format as a zip archive containing an XML file and some other stuff. That format is probably not suitable for Commons.

--Teratornis (talk) 06:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

You are correct that the GGB format is a binary ZIP file containing one or more XML files as well as other files. I'm not sure whether it would be appropriate to upload my files to the GeoGebra site as the finished illustration utilizes other source files that are of a different format. Here is a page describing a MediaWiki extension. I don't know anything in detail about it. Thanks the help anyway. SharkD (talk) 06:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I tried to check whether GeoGebraWiki is running mw:Extension:GeoGebra, but it appears that GeoGebraWiki is running a very old version of MediaWiki (1.6.1) which doesn't list the installed extensions on its Special:Version page. You might ask on mw:Extension talk:GeoGebra if anyone knows of a MediaWiki wiki that runs the GeoGebra extension where you could upload your files. I searched for GeoGebra on WikiIndex but found nothing. --Teratornis (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Google copyright?

Google digitalized a XVII century edition of the classical work Satyricon, Petronius, for Google Book. Can I upload an image of this? --Fiertel91 (talk) 12:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe so, see {{PD-scan}}. You might have to remove google watermarks from the document. --Jarekt (talk) 13:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No refresh

I uploaded a new version yesterday of File:Buurtspoorwegen Namen.png but it still shows the old image after 24 hours and repeated use of the refresh button. And of course I logged on and off in that time. Normaly when I update an old picture it is refreshed immediatly. Is the some technical problem?

Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I can see the difference. You might have to purge your browser's cache (refreshing the page will still show the old version that is cached in your browser, most of the time). Most browsers use ctrl+F5 as the shortcut to purging. Killiondude (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I have linked the picture in NL wikipedia (Lijst van NMVB-tramlijnen in België#Kaarten) The map in the article is OK. When I double click I get the old picture. When I double click again I get the correct full size picture. On the commons I get the wrong down sized picture. Only after I double click do I get the correct full size picture. I think the problem is that the tumbnails bigg and small are not updated. The refresh button doesnt affect the tumbnails. The tumbnails are made on the server. Smiley.toerist (talk) 20:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

There are 3 images involved, only the first and last one are updated:

• http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Buurtspoorwegen_Namen.png/300px-Buurtspoorwegen_Namen.png
• http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Buurtspoorwegen_Namen.png/634px-Buurtspoorwegen_Namen.png
• http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Buurtspoorwegen_Namen.png

Smiley.toerist (talk) 20:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Problem is now solved. Thanks. Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 21

[edit] Superresolution for low-res images

For whatever reason, many images at Commons are not available in high resolution. Modern sophisticated single-image superresolution algorithms can produce zoomed versions of images far superior to those available from standard tools like Photoshop (see e.g. [4]). In light of this, it might be useful to implement a modern algorithm and run an offline batch job to perform superresolution on all low-res images (say, any image below 800 pixels wide). I can think of two main problems with this:

1. Some users license only low-resolution versions of their images - if a higher resolution version is distributed they may falsely conclude that it is an illegally distributed unlicensed version, rather than derived legally from a licensed version, leading to confusion.
2. Superresolution algorithms may introduce artifacts or inaccuracies in images; if such an image is interpreted as authoritative it could lead to false conclusions.

An alternative is to run the superresolution on the server side when producing image thumbnails/downloads. I consider this untenable because I suspect the algorithms involved are computationally expensive.

Thoughts? Dcoetzee (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to see some examples of up-scaled images, but it seems to me any algorithm, no matter how good, would be making assumptions about the image. Doing so would therefore lower the educational value of the images, as it moves the image from the realm of fact to the realm of supposition. Powers (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

There are some good demonstration images on the page I linked. You might take this with a grain of salt though, since they deliberately chose images containing patterns (which for technical reasons their method performs better on). Dcoetzee (talk) 01:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but whenever an image is displayed on a screen of a different resolution, there's a scaling algorithm involved. Most of our data is stored as JPEG files, where a bunch of information has been dropped on the assumption that it was irrelevant, and the small images get scaled up anyway, by algorithms that make assumptions, sometimes blatantly wrong ones. (Nearest neighbor, for example, assumes that pixelization is a fundamental property of the image.) Yes, we should preserve as close to the original files as possible, but I don't see the clear line between realm of fact and realm of supposition here. If we can find an algorithm we can run cheaply, I wouldn't mind up-scaled images, provided the original files were still available.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

If we could find a cheap algorithm to upscale and use it in MediaWiki I think that would be a good thing. If MediaWiki could generate both 100px and 200px versions of File:Nuvola_apps_important.png it would be useful. Nearest neighbour would be better than nothing, provided it was handled in an equivalent manner to the current thumbnail generation.--Nilfanion (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that what we have the svg version for...? Regards, —Ed (talk • contribs) 03:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah sorry (poor example), but might be useful if same principle would work with photographic images too.--Nilfanion (talk) 12:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think a batch run is a good idea. The primary purpose of Commons is to provide hosting for WM project imagery. Actual usage on projects is primarily at thumbnail resolutions, how many readers click through to see the larger images? That makes me concerned about the effects of stacking: if you upscale a 200x160 image to 800x640, MediaWiki will downsample back to 200px for use in articles - with the potential to reduce quality. Increasing the resolution cannot provide additional information, and ultimately if downstream users need a higher resolution image they can upscale it themselves (with the algorithm of their choice).

If an image has its resolution increased in this manner, IMO it should be uploaded to a new location not over the original. That addresses the problems you raised, but also restricts the utility. The higher resolution image could then be linked to through other versions. Any such process should be carefully implemented - there is no point to increasing the resolution of these images, whilst there may be a benefit to doing so with many of these.--Nilfanion (talk) 02:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• I think its a path we dont want to follow because the potential gain for us doesnt out weigh the probable loss, its not providing anything to Wikimedia Commons or associated Foundation projects. Many of us work with institutions to get improvements in the number of quality of images that are released under free licenses this sometimes means that the images we get are of lower resolutions, but these are large enough for the various project. If our policies are seen as actively targeting these instutions potential income streams(providing Hi-res, print versions) using the images they provide they wont be willing to work with us and they'll more readily resort to Nation Portrait Gallery type methods when a user upload images here. We already have problems with with institutions claiming copyright over effort to reproduce works(in some cases the work itself) the more we provide reasons for them to challenge the notion of this in courts the more likely that the effort will be recognised. We only need a local court finding against a local editor to eliminate all images from that region, irregardless of the current US laws. As an active contributor of photographs I upload downsized images because of the costs and volume restrictions that are a part of the service my ISP supplies, I will if asked provide the original file for any photograph. If I was to start seeing my images upsized with all the problems about quality and detail I would reconsider providing photographs. Gnangarra 03:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It might be a viable option in some cases, but in most of those examples something just seems very wrong to my eye and they are even making me feel a bit nauseous for some reason, it looks unreal. Maybe it's better if you don't upscale so much though. Njaelkies Lea (talk) 03:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm very queasy about providing worse service to our users because some institutions want to make money off the public domain, no matter what the cultural costs are. We should do what we should do, and if they want to go into saber-rattling, like the NPG did, then let them. If they want to sue, and take the massive publicity hit, well, it's possible they could twist the Wikimedia Foundation's arm into deleting the files; at which point the w:Streisand effect takes hold, for one, and they have to deal with the consequences of being widely known for forcing Wikipedia to delete pictures of 300-year-old paintings.--Prosfilaes (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Greetings from the user "Appleworm"" see [5]

User:Appleworm has loaded up several self-designed greeting cards, some of them are used in discussions of the english Wikipedia. All of them have no categories. Speaking clearly i cannot imagine that there is any use of these cards for the commons, but they can be appropriate for the english wikipedia. What to do with these files? Export to the english WP? (no idea, if this can be done). Or assign categories? Cholo Aleman (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

If they're useful for the English Wikipedia (or any other Wikimedia project), then they're ok for Commons and should only be categorized. --The Evil IP address (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, but I did only check the use of one of them - and what category? its not clear for me Cholo Aleman (talk) 09:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

How about category:Wikimedia-specific media? Paradoctor (talk) 10:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

... OK, thanks, the case is closed, we have about 10 new Greeting cards Cholo Aleman (talk) 18:01, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unusual Category

Here Category:2006 photos of Japan is a category, that is very unusual compared to all other categories, isnt it? Comments and ideas about it? Cholo Aleman (talk) 09:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, it should be Category:2006 in Japan. I have no idea why they sub-catted it like that. -Nard the Bard 14:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• It is unusual, but what I like about it is that it describes its scope better than Category:2006 in Japan would. -- User:Docu at 14:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bundesarchiv Categorization status

Was just wondering...after the conversation here: which is now archived has anything actively been decided or will actually occur? 68.144.162.78 14:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

People are still actively categorizing these images. Multichill (talk) 16:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] SVG converting?

Can someone help me to convert Image:Modern Talking.png to a SVG file. Thanks, and please contact me if you can... --MisterWiki (talk) 22:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oversight nomination

The admin Abigor has nominated himself for the oversight rights. Your opinion is appreciated at Commons:Oversighters/Requests/Abigor. --The Evil IP address (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 22

[edit] File:Heckert GNU white.svg

Something is wrong with that image. It seems that all File versions are deleted but the description file is still there. Somebody uploaded several new versions tonight; perhaps they messing it up. It is used in {{GFDL}}. Therefore its used within thousends or millions of image description files. Can somebody (an Admin?) fix this? Thx. --Jutta234 (talk) 10:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

please see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#FIle:Heckert_GNU_white.svg Huib talk 10:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, thx :) --Jutta234 (talk) 11:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not existing Heckert_GNU_white.svg in Licensing

I have uploaded several images but there is mentioned in the Licensing block "File:Heckert GNU white.svg" in red. See for example File:Tenerife Adeje beach D.jpg. What is the cause? Thanks, Wouter (talk) 10:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

please see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#FIle:Heckert_GNU_white.svg Huib talk 10:56, 22 November 2009 (UTC)