Category talk:Felis silvestris catus

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Category:Cats[edit]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why is everything being moved out of Cats to here? Did I miss the announcement that said the lingua franca is Latin now?

Being accurate is one thing, but categories need to be usable too. I really, really doubt that anyone uploading a picture of a cat is going to think of this category. In fact there's a good chance they won't even know what it means. Like me...

Please explain the idea behind this...

Thanks, pfctdayelise 00:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I managed to answer my own question. Apparently it's part of the Commons:Language_policy#Summary_of_proposals. pfctdayelise 00:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Lost among cats ![edit]

Hello, The category:kittens is lost on 2d page ! And cats are divided betwen same latin named page et category. Can't you do something with laguages (I tried without much success), or divide this category and then suppress the page and redirect it? Pleaaaaaase --Salix 16:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cat Cat Scheme[edit]

work in progres... pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Cat Category Scheme:


TOP: Category:Felis silvestris catus

Photographs of cats:

These

  1. Category:Cat breeds
    1. ...
    2. Category:Domestic cat (mixed and unknown)
  2. Category:Cats by colour
    1. Category:White cats
    2. Category:Black cats
    3. Category:Red cats (orange, ginger)
    4. Category:Blue cats (grey, gray, maltese)
    5. Category:Cream cats (dilute red)
    6. Category:Brown cats
  3. Category:Cats by pattern - based on [1]
    1. Category:Solid cats (only one colour UK - "selfs")
    2. Category:Tabby cats (striped)
    3. Category:Bicolor cats (only two colours)
    4. Category:Tricolor cats (only three colours)
      1. Category:Tortoiseshell cats (orange and black)
      2. Category:Calico cats (each colour in a solid bit)
    5. Category:Colorpoint cats (only tips/face different colour to solid body) aka "pointed"
    1. ...
  1. Category:Cats by location ?
    1. Category:Cats of Galicia


  1. Category:Cat behavior (no subcats)
  2. Category:Cat birth (subcat Kittens)

Not photographs of cats:

  1. Category:Cats in art
  2. Category:Ailurophiles

Maybe:

  1. Category:Cats with people?
  2. Category:body parts of cats
    1. category:faces of cats
      1. Category:eyes of cats
    2. Category:stomachs of cats
    3. Category:sides of cats

Category:Kittens[edit]

From my page User talk:Salix

Hi Salix, I was thinking about this categorisation, and I think it is more important to have Category:Felis silvestris catus (which is really Category:Cats) <- category:kittens, than category:cat birth <- category:kittens, because I think it is more natural to look directly from Category:Cats to Category:Kittens rather than through Category:Cat birth. If I was looking for the first time, I don't think I would know to look there, so it would be confusing. Let me know what you think. cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 11:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree totaly with you. The problem is (at least on my computer) category:Kittens (with K) are lost on second page and therefore is really not easy to find. If you could find another solution you're welcome to change it!


New subcategories[edit]

From my page User talk:Salix

Here is what I suggest for still red categories:

  1. Category:Cats with people (don't know)
  2. Category:Anatomy of cats
    1. Category:Bodies of cats
    2. category:Heads of cats
      1. Category:Eyes of cats
    3. category:Legs of cats
      1. Category:Paws of cats
    4. Category:Insides of cats
  3. Category:Care of cats
    1. Category:Medical care of cats
    2. Category:Equipments for cats

What do you think ? Then it can be extended according to number of images. Good work on cats, it's necessary ;-) --Salix 12:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I moved some of the images in the base category to more specific categories, like White cats and Black cats. That reduced the number of files to less than 200, so now they all display on the one page. Probably this will just have to be done periodically. Ideally, only cat images that don't have any further categorisation would be in the base category - like this one. Most cat photographs would not be there.
Your ideas above are good, except I think they are too detailed. (I think mine are too detailed too. :)) We don't have enough cat photos to need that many subcategories. was thinking of just making a gallery "Cat anatomy" or something, for the body parts. There are some nice photos of whiskers and ears and paws and the like. The gallery Felis silvestris catus needs a big cleanup, it is quite ridiculous now. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 01:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok,I'll soon start the job with Category:Cat anatomy.
Discussions about category versus page is not closed yet. Cats is a good exemple of the m... well... problème. I think it's better to wate for a decision before touching this page. Don't you?--Salix 10:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Cats by colour[edit]

From my page User talk:Salix

Hi Salix, regarding "Cats by colour" and "cats by pattern", I looked at this page and they make a distinction between colour and pattern. I agree with you that "solid cats" should be practically the same as "cats by colour". but not totally the same... pointed cats can be in "cats by colour" subcat, but not "solid cats". hm...so you think make "cats by colour" just a subcat of "Solid cats"? I think it would work. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 22:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Yes I think patterns means different colors. You can see that Tortoiseshell, in your link, is in patterns. Don't you? And it's difficult to decide what % is needed to belong to one or other color category when it's mixed (see domestic cats!). No? --Salix 23:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
But then, when you want a picture of a black cat, you have to know to look in "Cats by pattern"... that is not very obvious... --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 23:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
you're right, well, could we extract solid cats? --Salix 23:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
"Extract" "solid cats", what do you mean? We could redirect it to "Cats by colour", but still that won't help people who go to look at CAT:CAT. I think maybe the easiest thing to do is just manually write a note on the category telling people where to look. (BTW I have this on my watchlist, so I will see when you reply) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Pfctdayelise, I spent time to think of the case. Want won't I do for you? ;-) . Have a look here. You can see that color categories will soon be a problem: too many! Non spécialists will add cats in wrong ones and specialists are not allways able to juge on one picture. I think patterns, hair (long, nude) and breeds are enough, and even in this case, you're right, we should explain how to categorise (or search) and add reliable exemples on category pages if we don't want to find soon a mess! One can describe completely the cat on the picture page if possible. Like that we could eliminate "domestic cats" and have them at least in "cats by patterns" (includig solid colors) or "cats by pattern (multicoloured)" and "cats by pattern (one-coloured)" to help research. Can a Felis silvestris catus be non domestic? --Salix 09:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

For that link you gave -- that page is ridiculous!! I have never seen anyone seriously suggest there are 60 different colours of cats. Of course we don't need so many.
My understanding is that Category:Domestic cat is the breed you can use when it is not really any other purebreed. see e.g. about.com. Breed is separate to the coat colour and pattern, although most breeds would have typical colours and patterns... I think the breed categories are OK and we shouldn't change them.
Please explain some more about what you want to do with colours/patterns, I don't totally understand. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Cats by pattern[edit]

From my page User talk:Salix

Hello, in short in this website she says Felix.s.catus = Domestic cats = mixed breed + breed. Each cat can be at the same time in 3 categories: Hair lenth category (long, medium, short... where do they categorise sphinx cat? ) + breed category + pattern category:

The easiest classification for pattern category, for non specialists, refering to her and others: ([2] (clic on DIVERS > couleurs et robes des chats) or [3] would be something like this :

You're welcome to correct this list.
  1. Tabby cats
    1. Classic (=blotched)
    2. Mackerel (=striped)
    3. Spotted
    4. Agouti (=ticked)
  2. One tint cats
    1. Solid cats
    2. Maltesing (Color dilution)
    3. Sepia (Apparently self-colored cat bearing gene for Colourpoint)
    4. Mink (Intermediate between sepia and pointed, darker version of main body color)
  3. two tints cats
    1. Pointed
    2. bi-coloured (Any color & white)
      1. tuxedo
      2. van
      3. Harlequin
    3. Tortoiseshell (=tortie, base:black&red)
      1. Torbie (tabby-tortie)
      2. Brindled (tortie with intermingled colors)
  4. three tints cats
    1. tri-coloured (ordinary with white, black, red)
    2. calico (well separated colors in white)
      1. calico+tabby
      2. calico+tortie
    3. tortie-white
    4. torbico (Torbie (tabby-tortie) & white)
About colors all my books and websites have: red, white, black + when those three are mixed and/or shaded, many others : blue, grey, havana, chocolate, cream, silver, lilac, smoke, chinchilla... I think that every possibility exists among domestic cats! If Commons chooses to replace categories with pages, what will we do? Do you really think we need to add color categories to the three others (hairs, breeds, patterns)?
Only one thing is certain: my next cat will be a plain black one! --Salix 17:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
LOL :)
Although it is possible we could have very complex divisions, I think it is mostly unnecessary. Most people would not say "oh I have a cinnamon-coloured cat" or "I have a pewter cat". It is enough to say brown or blue (grey - I changed "grey cats" to "blue cats" because I found websites that say this, but maybe it is wrong for the average person still). I think the colours we have now are enough: Black cats, Blue cats, Brown cats, Red cats, White cats. (Also Calico cats & Tortoiseshell cats, although to me these are patterns not colours. Hm.) When going through the cat categories, did you find enough pictures of cats of a distinct colour that you want to introduce a new category? If not - then don't worry about it. Other people will 99% of the time use what is already here instead of creating new stuff.
For hair length categories, I guess most cats have meidum or short length hair, so it is not interesting to distinguish these cases. Sphinx cats are perhaps "Hairless cats"?
This page [4] is quite good, especially the diagrams, but I think it is still too complicated for our needs. I would suggest like this:
  1. Tabby cats (put them all together)[5]
  2. Solid cats (one tint cats)[6]
    1. Black, red, white, blue (grey), brown
  3. two tints cats [7]
    1. Pointed
    2. bi-coloured (mostly all tuxedo? is this an officially used name?)
    3. Tortoiseshell (=tortie, base:black&red)[8]
  4. three tints cats [9]
    1. tri-coloured (ordinary with white, black, red)
    2. calico (well separated colors in white)
Something like this... the other ones I think are just not necessary because we don't have 10,000 cat pictures. We might have 1,000, and these categories will divide them up well enough. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Pfctdayelise, ok, your list is a good start for me (I have categorised every pattern to anticipate thousands of cats comming in!). Have a look on categories cat colours:

  • Torties and calico should be in patterns. Do we make the change?
  • Black is ok,
  • blue have tabbies not so blue
  • brown is a mess with bi-coloured and tabbies quite grey,
  • red is the same,
  • white have an amarillo (yellow) cat.

Shall we remove all non solid cats? --Salix 10:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

This website has a complete, if not easy to understand, sum up of cat colours and patterns. --Salix 21:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Cats by hair[edit]

You're right Pfctdayelise, most of cats are short or medium haired. As far as I know only sphynx cat is hairless, so long haired category is the only one to have. No job needed there! Good news ;-) --Salix 11:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Success![edit]

I am really happy with this category. It seems people can easily find where they should subcategorise their images - the top category is no longer filling up. I wish this success was possible with more topics. :) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 16:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, the guidelines are easy to follow :) One question though, why is the category called "Domestic cat" and not "Domestic cats"? Deadstar (msg) 10:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
It's because "Domestic cat" is acting as a breed name rather than an adjective+noun. Most of the other breed categories are also singular. Why...well that part is a mystery. :) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Not Just Domestic[edit]

The cat is not only small and domestic. What about the lion, or tiger? Or the other non-domestic cats?

Hello, it's only a problem of vernacular name and interwiki links. In many countries only the domestic cat is called "cat", "chat", "gato"... the others, what English speaking people are naming also "big cats", have got a different name. Howerver, you're right, Felis silvestris catus, stricto sensus, is the domestic cat.--Salix (talk) 23:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)