Category talk:Horned melons

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Dueling category structures for foods[edit]

Copied from Village Pump. Man vyi (talk) 08:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

For pretty much every food (or form of life for that matter), we have two parallel category structures. For example, I can put a picture of a horned melon in either:
Fruit:Melons:Horned melon
or
Cucurbitales:Cucurbitaceae:Cucumis:Cucumis metuliferus
This seems a bit redundant since Melons=Cucurbitaceae and Horned melons=Cucumis metuliferus. Should I add the picture to both Category:Horned melon and Category:Cucumis metuliferus? Should Category:Horned melon be added to Category:Cucumis? Should Category:Cucumis metuliferus be added to Category:Melons? We used to have a similar dual category structure on en.wiki, but we converted to using all common name categories except in the case that a common name didn't exist. The two systems both seem to be pretty well entrenched here, however. What are people's opinion on this? Does it make sense to have two largely redundant and parallel category structures? Kaldari (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Right after I posted this, someone added Horned melon to Cucumis metuliferus which doesn't make any sense to me. Is that the correct thing to do? What is the convention for these types of categories? It seems like total chaos to me, but perhaps I'm just not aware of the rhyme or reason. Kaldari (talk) 16:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Being bold, preparatory to a potential merge. The problem with these categories is that not all the Cucumis are melons (actually, I'm not sure I'd describe Horned melons as "melons" as culturally they're not something I'm familiar with as food). On the whole, you're right - it's chaos. Man vyi (talk) 16:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Please don't merge. It is not always easy, but we have that situation quite often: flax, cotton, hemp, cannabis, ... The Latin species name for pictures that details the plants and its fruits, the melon cats for the product that comes on the market, its cultivation, use in the kitchen, associated tools, recipes, presentation, packing, transport, folklore, decoration, in art ... And please document the categories to avoid the same question over and over again. --Foroa (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
See Commons:Village_pump#Dueling_category_structures_for_foods --Foroa (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely definitely merge. There are nowhere near enough images to justify two separate categories for the same item. When Commons has accumulated near to 200 files in the category, then, and only then, can a split into a category for the plant and a category for the product be considered. Until then, all content must be at the scientific name, as agreed long ago. - MPF (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Please don't invent rules as you like it and stop the destruction of the work of people that find it important to have fruits properly isolated from their plant species. --Foroa (talk) 06:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)