Category talk:Matthew Fontaine Maury

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Use for Wikisource books[edit]

Hi William Maury Morris. Please do not divert this category for your own use.

Okay, no problem.


  • Please think of what users would expect when navigating to this category - they would expect pictures of Maury. Despite your assertions, the wikisource images are mostly not appropriate for this category - For instance:
  • Several are illustrations in books by William Lewis Herndon. As far as I can tell, these are only related to Matthew Fontaine Maury as he was his cousin and brother in law.
Not correct, I'm so used to knowing it that I didn't even consider it. It was M F Maury that got the USN to have that expedition with two lieutenants, both of whom had worked under M F Maury at the observatory, Wm Herndon & Lardner Gibbon both USN. MFM knew their qualifications including sketching and mapping the areas of the Valley of the Amazon they would be traveling through. The reason was twofold; (1) opening the doors of Brazil to the mouth of the Amazon for trade and also, hopefully, (2) to get slave owners to move their slaves down to Brazil and out of these United States. It would not have mattered which men he chose as long as they could do the job and Maury knew who could and who was available at that time period. Brazil still was bringing in new slaves from Africa. By enticing slave owners MFM hoped to move the slaves out of the USA and then there would be no new slaves from Africa being brought into Brazil. They would not need any more.-wmm


Lieutenant William Lewis Herndon did not do any sketches although he did mapping. That area you crreated needs to be deleted. Lieutenant Lardner Gibbon did the sketches. They started out together and later split to cover more territory in seeking a passage from Lima, Peru to Para, Brazil via waterways. From the Pacific side where trade had to be done to the Atlantic where trade was hoped to be opened. Brazil had a closed door policy that caused trade to go from New York, around South America's Cape Horn, and up the Pacific to Lima, Peru -- an absurd long distance that M F Maury knew he could change from New Your to the mouth of the Amazon on the Atlantic or from USA's Mississippi river to the mouth of the Amazon. This would shorten the distance, time at sea, and trade would be swifter.-wmm


True but I suppose what I was trying to do, for the first time, was create a gallery for M F Maury's many projects he started and worked on and he did a lot of them -- when he didn't have to as any other lieutenant. He was a worker trying to better the world. It was just his nature and he accomplished it in several ways -- ways I have't touched on yet.-wmm


  • One is a picture of John Mercer Brooke, who is only related to Maury by being an colleague. It should be moved out of this category.
John Mercer Brooke should be a very famous man although he is basically unknown. One of the things Matthew Fontaine Maury became internationally famous for was using soundings of the sea floor, depth and core samples, that allowed the laying of the first successful underwater trans-Atlantic Cable by Cyrus West Field who knew nothing of such work until he consulted with M F Maury and Samuel Finley Breese Morse. In Physical Geography of the Sea, now mostly on WikiSource via me, the "Telegraphic Plateau" was discovered by taking soundings and core samples. This had never been done at that depth because the rivers in the sea would carry the line far off in a direction away from straight down. It was John Mercer Brooke who invented the first DEEP SEA Sounding device and core sampler on that page with his photo. It is good to be able to associate a photo, or image with the invention just as we do on Wikipedia &c. Thus Brooke is located there with his invention.-wmm
I didn't upload any buildings but last night I did include one by linking to it. I don't know who the uploader was and it is not important to me. The image of the Monument is a photo I placed on Wikipedia long ago and moved to Wiki Commons also just by linking.--wmm
I understand and will comply as best as I can. I tried to have the images I would be using twice or thrice in one area, like a gallery, where I could see them all at once when choosing any of them for any text areas in the books on Wikisource. When scattered that is difficult. I saw no harm in adding them all to one area which is an area I did not create but would have had I known more about categories and galleries. I've been too busy with trqanscribing images to text which are often very difficult to read because my books are very old -- but in context this can be done.
I want to thank you in all sincerity for your explanation. I was befuddled with the situation when I was asked not to link images about Herndon and Gibbon with M F Maury's books, articles, and ideas because they are all connected and they produced grand results. M F Maury leaped from one grand idea to another but always they're connected in some important manner that changed the world in his time.

Respectfully, William Maury Morris (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)



-- Ozhiker (talk) 07:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)