Category talk:Modern art

"Modern" in not "Contemporary" !

I see that there is a problem in the use of the word "Modern" in art: Modern = Contemporary (that is wrong!). In history (and so in the history of art) we use "ancient" for the time until the end of the Roman Empire (A.D. 476). "Medieval" from A.D. 476 until the discovering of America (A.D. 1492). "Modern" from 1492 to 1815 (Congress of Wien). "Contemporary" from 1815 until today. Now I see that in our categories there is a big confusion of this two period. "Modern art" is Renaissance, Baroque, Manierism, Rococo, etc. not Expressionist, Surrealism, Dada, Art Deco, Rationalism, etc. Of course the same problem is in his subcategories Category:Modern sculptures and Category:Modern artists etc.. What will be the solution? I propose to move the names to the correct form. --DenghiùComm (talk) 06:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Oppose (strongly) renaming this and other categories using the dating system above. The wikipedia articles (english text) on modern and on contemporary: art (painting, sculpture, dance, decorative arts, theatre, etc.), architecture, and museums (fine arts, crafts, design, etc.) use a different chronology system. In Europe and the Americas the term 'modern' as a creative fine arts movement is generally used for works produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s to the 1970s. There is no definitive start for 'contemporary' as a movement, however museums of contemporary art commonly define their collections as consisting of art produced since World War II.

During the 1492 to 1815 period in the Americas, that you specify as modern above, the arts and architecture were either in the indigenous peoples' traditional forms or the introduced colonial Spanish-Portuguese baroque variations - neither usually associated with the label modern. DenghiùComm, please consider perusing the articles: en:Modern art, en:Contemporary art; and en:Modern architecture as introductions for a history of art-design dating system that seems more predominant than the valid one you learned. Thank you —Look2See1 (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Oppose What you are saying does not reflect the common English language usage of the term "modern art". I haven't seen yet any museum exhibiting 16th century art as modern, or 19th century art as contemporary. What you are referring to is a broad categorization in history not history of art. --ELEKHH^T 07:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

 Info All these related move changes should be discussed in one place at Commons:Categories for discussion/2011/05/Category:Modern art. --ELEKHH^T 07:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Oppose too. as of expl. above. --ZH2010 (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)