Category talk:Negril Point Lighthouse

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  • Commons uses no title case, and as one can see in the Category:Lighthouses by name list, in English and German speaking countries, one tend to use more title cases, in other countries much less (look for department, district and canton names). I don't know if there is somewhere a clear definition of it on commons, but for me, the current version is the right one. --Foroa (talk) 16:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
    • you are using category:Westwood Moravian church and category:Ockbrook Moravian church, so normal that there is some confusion. --Foroa (talk) 17:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
      • "Church" with a capital "C" seems to be used to denote organisations eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Church while with a small "c" it seems to denote a church building per the examples you give. So no confusion there. As for the lighthouses, in many cases the word "Lighthouse" is part of their name so we are dealing with proper nouns not title case. I believe that is the case here, see http://www.jnht.com/heritage_site.php?id=99 -Arb. (talk) 00:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
        • To almost repeat your words: as with church, lighthouse denotes a lighthouse building. "I believe that is the case here". It is about time that we find a ground rule for that. I have no intention to keep moving categories because of "I believe that ...". --Foroa (talk) 07:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
          • The name of the structure is "Negril Point Lighthouse". In the reference I gave it is called both that and by the shorthand "Negril Lighthouse", the second in the body of the text, the former in the header and footer. Certainly "lighthouse" denotes a lighthouse building but that is not the issue here. The issue is the name of this particular building which (from the reference I gave) is "Negril Point Lighthouse". That is why my original move request used a capital "L". It was not a whim; I am well aware that commons does not use title case. If you had made the move as requested no second move would be required. (Sorry for the tone but if it's OK for you to sound peeved then it must be OK for me to sound that way too, smile). -Arb. (talk) 14:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

(Indent reset) I am glad that you are peeved too ;). It is not so much against you, but on the undocumented (and silly) Commons "no title case" rule. Your "reference", which uses obviously English style title cases and contains several capitalisation errors, is not really a reference. This looks like a cultural difference: I guess that 40 % of the world will defend your position and 60 % mine (or the other way round). The annoying fact is that, if we find no ground rules, this discussions will go on for ever. --Foroa (talk) 15:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's try this another way. What is this structure called? It can't be called "Negril" because that's a resort. It can't be called "Negril Point" because that's the name of the headland on which it sits. To be unambiguously identified it must be called "Negril Point Lighthouse" the word "lighthouse" being part of its name is a proper noun and so requires capitalisation. It's nothing to do with title case so stop claiming that it is. -Arb. (talk) 16:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I still disagree, and you can find a motivation in en:Capitalization - example in "Do not capitalize a generic term that follows a capitalized generic term (Yangtze River valley) " (as my church example). Because this rule is quite country, language and culture dependent and in the absence of a proper document that is correctly capitalised/punctuated, I will rename it to stop waisting our time. --Foroa (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks. -Arb. (talk) 18:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)