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このページでは、ウィキメディア・コモンズの管理者に関する情報を掲載しており、管理者の立候補者の投票なども実施しています。Bot status requests get handled here too.
もし、管理者のヘルプが必要な場合は、管理者の掲示板(英語)をご利用ください。なお、英語が苦手な方は、Commons:井戸端を訪問してみることもおススメします、誰かが助けてくれるかもしれません。
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[edit] 管理者とは?
管理者権限 (Administrator access) は、信頼できるユーザーとしてコミュニティに周知されており、コモンズの方針をよく理解しているメンバーに付与されます。管理者権限は、当プロジェクトにおいて特別な編集権限を持つことを意味するものではありません。 Administrator access is granted to known and trusted members of the community who are familiar with the policies of the Commons. Adminship status on Wikimedia Commons is not an honour for outstanding content contributors but just an additional tool for people that show that they want to clean up. Experience shows that outstanding content contributors reduce their valuable contributions because of maintenance overhead after they become admins and this is what we want least. So please contribute your best skills and consider that there are many ways of getting community credit besides being an admin (if you're good at clean up go ahead, if you contribute breathtaking own photographs consider not standing). Administrator access is also not meant to imply editorial authority on the project. An administrator is simply a trusted user who can:
[edit] 管理者権限で、他の一般ユーザと異なる点
- ページの保護とその解除
- ページの削除とその復帰
- アップロードされた画像やファイルの削除
- 利用者のブロックとその解除
- インターフェイスやその他の保護されたページの編集
Administrators with check user rights can additionally check if a user used more than one account (sock puppets). Bureaucrats also have the abilities to:
- make other users administrators
- change users' names (see Commons:Changing username)
- flag and unflag bot accounts
[edit] 管理者として期待されることは?
以下の基準を満たす場合、コモンズ管理者として立候補することができます:
- ウィキメディア・プロジェクトの初心者ではないこと。少なくとも2ヶ月間以上、投稿者として参加しており、ウィキメディア・プロジェクトの全体を十分に理解し、同意していること。
- コモンズのユーザとして利用者ページを作成しており、過去に最低200回の投稿活動を行っていること。
- コモンズ・コミュニティの活性化への手伝いに高い関心を持っていること。 People may have their own personal standards that require more than this.
- コモンズの方針に従うことに同意して、コモンズの参加者の合意を尊重すること。
- 活動。メタ・ポリシーのとおり, 非活動の管理者は、管理者権限を喪失する場合があります。コモンズでは、過去6ヶ月間に管理者権限行使が5回未満の管理者は「非活動」と考えられて管理者権限を失う可能性があります。 Inactive administrators may re-apply through the regular process. 非活動の管理者をチェックするツール. 管理者権限の喪失について、さらに詳しくは、こちら管理者権限の喪失を参照してください。
[edit] 管理者への提案
- コモンズのメーリングリストに参加すれば、コモンズの現況がわかりやすいでしょう。メーリングリストの内容は、ウェブ上のログ保管庫から読むこともできます。
- 利用者ページにバベルを掲載しましょう。そうすれば、あなたがどんな言語を読み書きできるか、他の利用者にわかります。
- 削除のガイドラインと削除依頼冒頭を読んでください。
- MediaWiki:Quick-delete.jsをインストールすれば、「ソースなし/ライセンス不備」などのタグ付けや投稿者への注意喚起をクリックひとつでできるようになります(とても便利です)。
- 以下のページやサブセクションをあなたのウォッチリストに入れてください:Commons:Help desk, Commons talk:Licensing, Commons:Administrators' noticeboard。サブセクション: Vandalism, Attention, User problems, Blocks & protections and Disputes.
- あなたがあまりアクティブでなくても、特にあなたが英語以外の言語を話せるなら、あなたの知識が生きる場面があるかもしれません!
[edit] ...もし他の言語を話すなら...
- あなたの言語によるVillage pump(日本語なら井戸端)に参加してください。そこは利用者が自分の言語で各種要請ができる数少ない場所です。あなたの言語によるヘルプデスクがあれば、そちらへの協力も考えてください。
- 少なくともCommons:メンテナンス・ヘルプを見てください。ここではコモンズページの多言語翻訳をコーディネートしています。
[edit] 管理者への立候補
- 通常、任命までに7日間、投票とコメントが行われます。投票のうち75%以上かつ4票以上の賛成があれば管理者権限が付与されます。この条件を満たせば、ビューロクラットに着任操作を依頼してください。
- このページは、他の許可要請にも使用されます。たとえば、robotを使いたかったら、ここでボット・フラッグを要請できます。
- 過去の立候補については過去ログを見てください。
[edit] 立候補の提出方法
[edit] 管理者権限
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参照: 管理者一覧, ビューロクラット一覧
[edit] チェック・ユーザ(Checkuser)
次のボックスの"YourUserName"を自分のユーザ名に変更してご利用ください: |
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参照: チェック・ユーザ一覧
[edit] ボット・フラグ(Bot Flag)
次のボックスの"YourBotName"を自分のボット名に変更してご利用ください: |
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参照: ボット・フラグに関する全体のプロセスはCommons:Bots/Requests for flags/jaをご覧ください。
[edit] 次のステップ
サブページを作成した後、リクエストと投票の一番上のセクションに、そのサブページを追記してください。
[edit] 候補者
以下の編集リンクを利用して、the transcluded pageを編集してください。
[edit] Requests for Adminship
[edit] Guérin Nicolas
Links for Guérin Nicolas : Guérin Nicolas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · blocklog)
Hi everybody, i'm on Commons since 2 years and a half (arrived on march 2006) and i have more than 10000 edits with over 69 percent of those in the image-namespace (see my Edit Counter). Concerning images, i uploaded more than 900 and i'm currently a trusted flickr-reviewer. I'm active in categorizing, reviewing, tagging and requesting deletions about images (i think i have a good understanding now about Commons:Licensing and Commons:Freedom of panorama).
I also vote for the featured picture candidates, quality images candidates, polls, and i'm taking part to discussions on Commons:Bistro. Recently, i requested opinions about my candidature and got support from 3 administrators (see here and here).
I would like to be become an administrator to help on deletion requests once the debate is closed and need to get processed, also to fight against vandalism (blocking vandals or protecting pages, duty that i do already on fr.wp), all the while staying mellow ;) Guérin Nicolas (messages) 18:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Votes
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Support. Per his implication here and on fr.wikipedia, I see no reason to refuse him the sysop flag. His help will be useful. I trust him.--Bapti ✉ 19:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support Good contribution now. Knowledge of several languages is a plus. Thanks for volunteering to do more work. FloNight♥♥♥ 19:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support. Per FloNight (talk • contribs). Cirt (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support comme Bapti Ludo (talk) 19:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support. Helpful and reliable. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 20:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support nice answer, what I was looking for. Thanks, --Kanonkas(talk) 21:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support --Foroa (talk) 21:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support : trusted user on fr.wikipedia, as well as here. le Korrigan →bla 21:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support Esby (talk) 23:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC).
Support that's an impressive curiculum vitae :o Darkoneko (talk) 23:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Voor - Sterkebaktalk 08:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)- weak
Support abf /talk to me/ 09:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
A favor Rastrojo (D•ES) 14:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Pour, I have a very positive impression with his work here and on fr: -- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 14:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Pour Reliable, committed and competent user. Rama (talk) 18:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Samþykkt, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 13:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Pour Pruneautalk 14:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Support Good work on WP:fr, should be the same here. --Jean-Christophe BENOIST (talk) 11:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Support rootology (T) 14:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Support looks fine to me. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 16:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Support Paternel 1 (talk) 13:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Support Excellent contributor Anonymous101 talk 16:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Comments
Question: what would you do if somebody uploaded this image here? Also explain why you would do it.--Kanonkas(talk) 19:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
- First i check the licensing (ok), second i check the main object of the picture and here it looks like a picture of an artwork (not a building) installed after 1923 in US, so i think that this photo is subject to the approval of the copyright holder (see Commons:Freedom_of_Panorama#United_States). So , before to review such picture, i would discuss it on irc (or on Commons:Bistro). If it's clearly copyrighted (as i believe it), i will ask for its deletion on irc or i will tag it {{copyvio|reason or source}}, giving the link above as a the reason for such deletion request. Note : i there's still a doubt about copyright, i will tag it with the template {{Delete}}. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 20:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Checking the untagged new pictures is not necessary an admin job, everyone can check them and tags them for deletion. The admin job here is to ensure that the deletion requests are verified before being processed, so we are sure they are legits. If an admin performs Recent Changes and delete himself the wrong files he spots, then he takes on himself the responsability of making an error and of possibly being accused of trying to abuse his power when he makes this error. So, to my eyes, asking an admin 'how he is going to check random untagged uploaded files' is far from my definition of the administrative job. It's like asking a Tennis player 'What is the best place in the tribune to watch the match?' Esby (talk) 18:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC) [edit: I agree on the move performed by Nicolas Guérin here. Esby (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)]
Question: Are you suggesting that (many) of the current administration are perhaps not making the simple and agreed upon deletions? What are they doing instead? -- (she asked having had a screenshot of an incredibly parasitic and idiotic administrative action from English wikipedia deleted here inspite of real work that exists here being deleted) carol (talk) 19:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Carol, i'm on Commons-l, and i received recently couple of e-mails about "unprocessed deletion requests". Those e-mails suggest that "more admins are needed". I just would like to help. Note : i never thought that admins are not making their job here (that's would be not nice for my friends). Guérin Nicolas (messages) 19:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, well -- when you suggested you would manage the deletion requests within 3 days, it made me think about the need to make such a promise and to look at the backlog of requests. I am removing {{see more}} templates that you placed on taxonomy categories. 1)Is that a problem and 2)what was your reasoning to place what is often a 4th link on the category page to the gallery (often instead of making a nicer and more complete gallery). The gallery makers have not been interferred with to the best of my understanding. -- carol (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
- About {{see more}}: when i started to categorize media about species, i just followed what it was done by others with such categories. I think i met a couple of time such template, so i thought it might a kind of rule, so i started to apply it. After i realised it's not really usefull, but i kept on reason in mind to use it: as people feel free in such domain, some of them categorizing articles/galleries only at the genus level (and removing by the way my categorization at the species level), i'm using this template to be sure to have in the category a link pointing to the article (i made a special function in my monobook to add it automatically and save time). Removing this
modeltemplate is not a problem for me (as you are sure that there's another link pointing to the article/gallery), but it would be better to convince some people to categorize the species galleries at the species level, then this link will appear for sure in the category and {{see more}} will not be needed anymore. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 22:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)- You are using the word "model" to mean "template"? -- carol (talk) 02:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Oups, according to my french-english dictionary, it looks like a synonym of the word "template" (that i didn't want to use for the third time in the comment). Sure i was meaning "template", you can remove this template from categories if it's duplicating the link to the gallery. I will remove it also from my monobook :) Guérin Nicolas (messages) 07:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought the french word was "templatar" -- no reason to apologize for my single language problems. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Narthecium&diff=prev&oldid=13927630 August 28 -- not that long ago. So after almost two and a half years, you were unable to recognize that a link was already provided to that gallery and that there are other templates which are available here which are specifically for plants. I also see from your contributions (see more, if you understand this enough) that a lot of "voting" has occurred. It is interesting to me how more and more opportunities to vote is created but no admin are inspired to manage the outcomes of these votes. Do you think that the need to vote to qualify as an administrator here has anything to do with all of the things to vote on?
- If you want to find a mistake in my 10000 edits, sure you will (i'm not God an no one is perfect, so stay mellow). To answer you on this, the link provided by the template above is not the same than the other given below, so i don't see any duplication (one is pointing to the genus gallery, one to the species gallery and one to the species category); i think i created something like 500 categories about species so i create stubs most of time, after you can feel free to update it and to improve it. If you think that a category should look like this since the beginning (note: this category you created is not populated and might be deleted, mistake from you?), i think that few people do like this: my philosophy is that you start small and then you improve it, it doesn't need to look perfect with the first released.
- About voting: i think that to vote and to participate to forums is essential here, it shows your interest for the project, how you are involved in it, and how you interact with others. Furthermore to vote on C:FPC and C:QIC teached me a lot about how to evaluate and how to take good pictures, so i applied it to myself, and i advised also my friends about how to take good pictures. Some of them joined Commons after that. My philosophy about adminship is not only to do maintenance but also to act so to keep our communauty full of energy, motivation, and good-spirit. Then the fact to vote on different parts which help to develop the project appears essential.
- Best regards, hope that all my answers gives you enough proofs about my good faith. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 08:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought the french word was "templatar" -- no reason to apologize for my single language problems. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Narthecium&diff=prev&oldid=13927630 August 28 -- not that long ago. So after almost two and a half years, you were unable to recognize that a link was already provided to that gallery and that there are other templates which are available here which are specifically for plants. I also see from your contributions (see more, if you understand this enough) that a lot of "voting" has occurred. It is interesting to me how more and more opportunities to vote is created but no admin are inspired to manage the outcomes of these votes. Do you think that the need to vote to qualify as an administrator here has anything to do with all of the things to vote on?
- Oups, according to my french-english dictionary, it looks like a synonym of the word "template" (that i didn't want to use for the third time in the comment). Sure i was meaning "template", you can remove this template from categories if it's duplicating the link to the gallery. I will remove it also from my monobook :) Guérin Nicolas (messages) 07:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- You are using the word "model" to mean "template"? -- carol (talk) 02:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- About {{see more}}: when i started to categorize media about species, i just followed what it was done by others with such categories. I think i met a couple of time such template, so i thought it might a kind of rule, so i started to apply it. After i realised it's not really usefull, but i kept on reason in mind to use it: as people feel free in such domain, some of them categorizing articles/galleries only at the genus level (and removing by the way my categorization at the species level), i'm using this template to be sure to have in the category a link pointing to the article (i made a special function in my monobook to add it automatically and save time). Removing this
- Yeah, well -- when you suggested you would manage the deletion requests within 3 days, it made me think about the need to make such a promise and to look at the backlog of requests. I am removing {{see more}} templates that you placed on taxonomy categories. 1)Is that a problem and 2)what was your reasoning to place what is often a 4th link on the category page to the gallery (often instead of making a nicer and more complete gallery). The gallery makers have not been interferred with to the best of my understanding. -- carol (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
(tab reset) About empty categories. This is a "guideline" which in many ways makes no sense to me if there is the expectation of an image. Upload software suggests existing categories and also commons has many many photographs of some things and needs photographs of others. If the subject exists, is there a good reason to not have the category waiting here for it? Do you have an idea for an easy way to inform potential contributors of images which are needed here? Do you have any skill in Javascript so that you can make the upload software suggest creating the category and what name it should be?
Perhaps you had a reason for always adding a templated 2nd or 3rd link to gallery to the categories you created even though the wiki software already does this when galleries are categorized correctly and categories are subcategorized correctly, I would be interested in knowing the reason. In the link that you provided, did you consider refining the category for that gallery?
I am curious about the reason that there is email about the backlog of deletions at the same while there are so many admin active here, what do you think they are doing instead?
Do you need a thanks or sorry for your need to paste English wikipedia good faith links for answering these questions? I am simply curious. There is a good chance that you have perfectly good reasons for doing those things I pasted and asked about but I will not know them unless you explain them. It should not actually involve an additional need to be mellow or a link to an article about assuming good faith. It is an opportunity to explain to someone who really would like to know what the mindset is/was. Sorry that you needed to paste those links, my goal was in acquiring information not to upset you. -- carol (talk) 16:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- I am commenting on "I am curious about the reason that there is email about the backlog of deletions at the same while there are so many admin active here, what do you think they are doing instead? "
- I somehow doubt that this is the good question to asnwer, I feel we could only get the answer by asking to the one that wrote this mail, not to the ones who answered it on OTRS. Neither Carol Spears, Nicolas Guérin or anyone else might be able to give the exact answer or reason. Especially if the answer implies making unnecessary assumptions. For the rest of the discussion, I don't really grap the debate, so it might be best to "symbolically close it" or move it elsewhere if no dramatical issues are raised. I mean there is no point in discussing on futile or unrelated points, at least not on that candidature page (this is solely my perception here.) Esby (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- @Esby it is your opinion that asking the reasons a user worked a certain way just a few days more than a month ago is not a good question to ask when they are requesting administrative privs here? Perhaps it is the suggestion that Guérin Nicolas cannot explain those reasons as suddenly you are answering for this user. Do you forsee that a user never needs to ask the reasons that files get randomly deleted from any admin? If an admin becomes all pasty of Mellow and English wikipedia weasel articles when asked these questions (simple ones like what reason did you do these things?) -- you think that doesn't belong here? The fact that these are not "dramatical issues" means they do not belong in a comment section for a user instance that is requesting extra privs? Do you think that you are on the right wiki for this? -- carol (talk) 19:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think just that Commons is growing very fast, so this explains that more new administrators are needed, despite current administrators are doing their jobs properly. For templates in categories of species, as you really care about their quality, i just wonder why you didn't leave me any message about this on my talk page before: this problem could have been discussed and fixed already 6 months ago. What have you been waiting 6 months before to tell me it's not convenient for you? Why do you complain only now? Anyway, i think this is not related anymore to the present election, we should move and continue this discussion on my talk page now. Best regards. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 20:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- A user doesn't have privs and I thought that you had just become active here within the last few months. Now you are requesting to be an administrator. All of the votes -- yet there is no real display yet of knowing what you were doing a little more than a month ago. At your user page, I left a response as if you are a new user here. I suggest that no matter how many positive votes you get, look at the definition of the words "good" and "faith" and withdraw your request. -- carol (talk) 20:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Please consider people with more respect. Thank you. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 20:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- en:WP:Respectfully then, do you think that a user who wants deletion privileges should be able to explain what they were doing within the last two months and the reason they were doing it? I am not asking a user questions, I am asking questions from a person who wants to have extra access here. -- carol (talk) 20:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Carol, FYI, I have seen Nicolas' edits over the last year or so, and I couldn't see anything wrong. he has always made constructive contributions on fr.wikipedia, and on Commons he has a very good presence on the French Village pump. What I mean is, many users who have voted above do actually know what he was doing. Of course he doesn't do everything right, but as far as I've seen, he has acknowledged mistakes and sought advice when needed. Now can you please carry this on your respective talk pages, this is starting to sound like trolling... le Korrigan →bla 20:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- @Korrigan so what was the reason that Guérin Nicolas added that template to newly created categories to what was often a third or more link to the gallery? It is not a dramatic question, it is not a rude question and it is not a question that is suggesting that wrong things has been done. It is a question for a user here that claims 2.5 years of involvement. It is a question about learning capacity and knowledge of all levels of software being used here. It is a question being asked of a person who will get privs that I don't have. I am asking questions nicely of a nice user I encountered previously. -- carol (talk) 20:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- I gave already long comments and answers above on this page. Carol, you could ask this to me already 6 months ago on my talk page, but you didn't. I will answer you about this only on my talk page now. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 21:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- "@Esby it is your opinion that asking the reasons a user worked a certain way just a few days more than a month ago is not a good question to ask when they are requesting administrative privs here?" How about asking it to him when he did that 'Battre le fer quand il est encore chaud'? What's the incidence of the possibles various answers on that election, how about to elaborate them before asking more questions when you got an answer?
- About the rest of your Prose, sorry, I am rather simple, I don't understand that kind of sophisticated thinking (Actually it is more I don't want to waste time trying to understand what should be elaborated in simple terms.) On which basis do you ask me if I am on the right wiki? How do you define right or wrong here? And what wiki are you talking of? Esby (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- @Korrigan so what was the reason that Guérin Nicolas added that template to newly created categories to what was often a third or more link to the gallery? It is not a dramatic question, it is not a rude question and it is not a question that is suggesting that wrong things has been done. It is a question for a user here that claims 2.5 years of involvement. It is a question about learning capacity and knowledge of all levels of software being used here. It is a question being asked of a person who will get privs that I don't have. I am asking questions nicely of a nice user I encountered previously. -- carol (talk) 20:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Please consider people with more respect. Thank you. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 20:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- A user doesn't have privs and I thought that you had just become active here within the last few months. Now you are requesting to be an administrator. All of the votes -- yet there is no real display yet of knowing what you were doing a little more than a month ago. At your user page, I left a response as if you are a new user here. I suggest that no matter how many positive votes you get, look at the definition of the words "good" and "faith" and withdraw your request. -- carol (talk) 20:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think just that Commons is growing very fast, so this explains that more new administrators are needed, despite current administrators are doing their jobs properly. For templates in categories of species, as you really care about their quality, i just wonder why you didn't leave me any message about this on my talk page before: this problem could have been discussed and fixed already 6 months ago. What have you been waiting 6 months before to tell me it's not convenient for you? Why do you complain only now? Anyway, i think this is not related anymore to the present election, we should move and continue this discussion on my talk page now. Best regards. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 20:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- @Esby it is your opinion that asking the reasons a user worked a certain way just a few days more than a month ago is not a good question to ask when they are requesting administrative privs here? Perhaps it is the suggestion that Guérin Nicolas cannot explain those reasons as suddenly you are answering for this user. Do you forsee that a user never needs to ask the reasons that files get randomly deleted from any admin? If an admin becomes all pasty of Mellow and English wikipedia weasel articles when asked these questions (simple ones like what reason did you do these things?) -- you think that doesn't belong here? The fact that these are not "dramatical issues" means they do not belong in a comment section for a user instance that is requesting extra privs? Do you think that you are on the right wiki for this? -- carol (talk) 19:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Question: Do you think that an admin should know what they were doing when they did it within a timeframe of two months? -- carol (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not going to answer anymore
- See my contributions to see that i'm active since the beginning, and very active since more than 6 months. One more time, treat people with respect here. I don't know you, i had never problem with you before, so i don't know why you treat me like this? Guérin Nicolas (messages) 20:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment Ok people, please settle down. Carol, whereas you have the right to pose as many questions to RfA candidates as you wish, your tone was at some comments a tad too agressive, and perhaps that's why Guérin doesn't feel like answering to you any longer. Please take discussions about how to manage the project somewhere else, like appropriate talk pages. Admins don't have to be active all the time and don't need to know all the particularities of the project. It's great if they do, but Commons is too big for people to know every little corner. We all do mistakes, misjudgements, etc, but in the end we must weigh the good work against the bad and, more important, to judge if we trust this person or not to have some extra tools. The admin mop is just that: a mop, not a weapon of mass destruction. All admin actions can be undone. So let's take eventual differences in considering how you should categorize images or not somewhere else and simply evaluate if Guérin's past actions reflect any problem that could potencially arise in the future. Patrícia msg 21:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, absolutely both "people" and "software" make mistakes. Software doesn't know what it was doing a couple of months ago or the reason it was doing this. People usually do. I have written my "welcome new user" stuff for this "candidate for deletion privs" at that users talk page with instructions of how to make simple edits on a wiki as might be considered respectful to a new user and probably disrespectful to a user of 2.5 years. "How to edit a wiki page and to create a category". If the respect level is not on a sliding scale that is associated with the number of years a user has been involved, I am not certain what to measure respect with -- and expectations of people who are requesting additional deletion privs here, Meanwhile, is it to be yet another admin who doesn't know the reasons they did something within the last 30 to 60 days (bits of time measured by hours, 24 hours equals one day....) and is (too easily) offended if asked? -- carol (talk) 22:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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- I just asked for a "reason": Reason: Due exercise of the reasoning faculty; accordance with, or that which is accordant with and ratified by, the mind rightly exercised; right intellectual judgment; clear and fair deductions from true principles; that which is dictated or supported by the common sense of mankind; right conduct; right; propriety; justice.
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- Interesting that this is considered to be "aggressive" when what is being requested is additional privs (not the right to be here and edit). -- carol (talk) 22:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- The question was not whether you actually were agressive or not (and I belive you when you say you didn't mean to be), but how it was perceived. Here, at least three people see your messages as "a tad too agressive", so maybe the next ones can be a bit more... mellow :-) le Korrigan →bla 22:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- Interesting that this is considered to be "aggressive" when what is being requested is additional privs (not the right to be here and edit). -- carol (talk) 22:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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- Is it refusal to answer a question or is it the inability to answer it? Is it aggressively not answering a question, btw -- lets assume that this candidate knows the answers. Are my questions being aggressively not answered? And understand that what is being voted on here is the right to delete any files and it is a right that has been used wrongly by others. -- carol (talk) 22:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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If you wants answers that much, formulate your questions so they can be answered. Also, avoid suggesting what the users never said.
- "Are you suggesting that (many) of the current administration are perhaps not making the simple and agreed upon deletions? " I read no parts in which he suggested that hypothesis. This is your hypothesis, if he don't agree with it, it's not to him to confirm it. Besides he answered you. Not his fault if you estimate he did not answer you.
- "Do you think that an admin should know what they were doing when they did it within a timeframe of two months?" So you are implying that any admin must remember everything he did as an user by the past and must be able to give you the exact justification? Come on, admins (or users) are not machine. They will do errors. If you expect someone to cut his throat wide because he did an error, then you are in the wrong place to start with.
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- "Cut throat" is very strong language. When making decisions, I don't think it is unusual to expect there to be a logic followed, a reasoning used, some understanding of the interface displayed. Admins and users are not machines, yet, I still await evidence that this user is not a javascript. The time to provide evidence was the point where "a reason" was requested.
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- Are you suggesting that the claim of being offended is a proper response to what was essentially a "can you think and learn" question? And once again, no evidence has been provided that this user can think and learn. -- carol (talk) 06:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- A javascript ? Come on... everybody here nows that Nicolas is made of Python... le Korrigan →bla 10:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting that the claim of being offended is a proper response to what was essentially a "can you think and learn" question? And once again, no evidence has been provided that this user can think and learn. -- carol (talk) 06:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] SterkeBak
Links for SterkeBak: SterkeBak (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · blocklog)
Hey all of you! I'd like to suppose you SterkeBak as a new sysop. SterkeBak is really active in tagging new images and requesting Images for deletions. He has a good experience of commons policy and guidelines. His native language is dutch and he is yet a trusted flickr-reviewer. In IRC he is known as a very helpfull and polite user who is often online. [Boring statistic-part] SterkeBak has now got over 3197 edits, over 65 percent of those in the image-namespace. He accepted his nomination at #wikimedia-commons and he will confirm it here in a few seconds. abf /talk to me/ 19:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Votes
Support as nominator abf /talk to me/ 19:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Support - he isn't one already? -mattbuck (Talk) 19:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Support Per nom. →Christian.И 19:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Support about time. --Kanonkas(talk) 21:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Support Trustworthy user. Pruneautalk 21:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Support Sounds good. Cirt (talk) 22:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Support – Most definitely. — Rjd0060 (talk) 03:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Support - let me see - I just asked him didn't I.... --Herby talk thyme 06:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Support EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Support — Rlevse • Talk • 15:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Support because he keeps beating me at Flickr reviewing. Grr. :D garden 21:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Support --ChristianBier (talk) 07:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Support --Jacopo Werther (talk) 12:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
A favor Rastrojo (D•ES) 14:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
In favor Looks like a great candidate! J.smith (talk) 19:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
*Revoked after reading comments.This is not true, there is no hate or whatsoever. Also Commons is too important to ignore the imput given by wikipedia-users. And I don't agree with this either. People get a pretty good understanding of a person when working with a person on another wiki. One person does not behave differently on another wiki, just because it's another wiki.Silver Spoon (talk) 19:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Support - Silver Spoon (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Oppose Unwanted CABAL behaviour on irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-commons. Silver Spoon (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Dəstək people who are trying to help others deserve to have more trust and as i checked SterkeBak recent edits proves me he is really trustworthy.Welcome to the admins gang band.--Mardetanha talk 01:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support! Brynn (talk!) 13:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support Good contributions and will be more helpful with the tools. Thanks for volunteering to do the extra work. FloNight♥♥♥ 16:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Support I saw his contributions on the deletion request pages (and also on irc). Very good. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 09:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Support. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 19:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
For Thanks for volunteering! Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
A favor Good man, will use the tools right. -Nard the Bard 14:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)- Hard working, helpful, knows his stuff, communicates OK. Sure.
Support. Giggy (talk) 15:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Support - He deserves the tools. MarkMu (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose - He does not understand copyright, and is not able unfortunately to function as an administrator. I have experienced Sterkebak for quite a while on nlwikipedia, and I think even though he means well in general, he is not fit for this job, even though he can do a lot of other stuff well. Please, sterkebak, do what you are good at, and not this.. Effeietsanders (talk) 16:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Support - A friendly person, with respect for other users. A virtue much needed on wiki projects - Quistnix (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose - Certainly a well meaning user, but definitely lacking talent for diplomacy or listening. Is often emotionally involved, as becomes clear from numerous edits on nl:wiki. Has no inside knowledge of copyright (see for instance here, where he states that copyright is not inheritable). Doesn't need to be a moderator to do usefull things on Commons. Wutsje (talk) 16:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose - Effeietsanders and Wutsje make very clear why SterkeBak should not become a moderator on commons. I don't think he has the competences to be a good moderator; Apart from his lack of copyright knowledge, his lack of judgement is another worry to me. Mwpnl (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
OpposeA very enthousiastic user who does good work as a Flickr-images reviewer. However, on nl-wiki he indeed has given ample proof of a poor understanding of the ins and outs of copyright regulations and licenses, and often of poor communication, also towards new users. I understand that many of the people here do not speak Dutch and will not be able to read e.g. this discussion, where Sterkebak claimed that copyright is not inheritable, and approached a new uploader in a way I would say is very undesirable. Now, everyone makes mistakes, and we all learn. However, I strongly would recommend that Sterkebak is allowed some more time to learn and understand the implications of copyright for commons, and learn some more English, before he will be deleting (with best intentions) or keeping images on his own. Forrestjunky (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose Sterkebak, I'm sorry to say, but I second that. The problem is not, as Wutsje writes, that you don't know every copyright rule by head. Most people here don't. The problem is, you pretend to know them while you don't. From a position of authority, you tell a new user things that are false. I've seen you doing so more often. When unsure, always ask someone who knows before editing. Once you start doing so