Commons:Categories for discussion/2011/02/Category:Mushrooms by country
Globally replace "mushrooms" with "fungi" in this category and its subcategories?
Rationale: Lost in translation. If you check out the categories already present, you will note almost all are from countries where English is not a primary language, and the first to be created was "Mushrooms of Belgium". In English, there are all sorts of colloquial names for fungi (e.g. "toadstools"). "Mushrooms" is the only one widely familiar to non-Anglophones, so it's obvious why the present name was chosen. But strictly speaking, "mushrooms" refers only to edible fungi of the "hat-and-stalk" type.
These categories are really about fungi in general, so it may be presumed that an original slight translation error caught on (many non-English languages have only a single word for fungi). Better to use "fungi", this is the unequivocal top-level term.
(On Commons, Category:Mushrooms is a subcategory of Category:Fungi by shape, so eventually a "Mushrooms by country" category may make sense. At present however, it is really better to use "Fungi by country" until the available content has been sorted into it.) --Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 12:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Support Well-reasoned and sensible. Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Category:Fungi by country exists already (it was orphaned, I found it by chance). Modify request:
- 1. Keep "Category:Mushrooms by country" (I already put it subordinate to "Fungi by country")
- 2. When both "Fungi of ..." and "Mushrooms of ..." exist, keep both but verify content (mv shelf fungi, puffballs, truffles and other stuff out of "Mushrooms"). Rationale: most "Fungi" categories were not properly incorporated in category tree while "Mushrooms" were, so people used "Mushrooms" for all large fungi; I have incorporated the "Fungi" categories now but not yet sorted content, so there are still many non-mushroom fungus images in "Mushrooms" categories.
- 3. Where only "Mushrooms of ..." exists, mv this category to "Fungi of ..."; sort content from there whenever needed (e.g. for Belgium, which is overcrowded). Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 05:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
- Support this improved proposal. Walter Siegmund (talk) 06:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
- commment I might buy "mushrooms of China" or "mushrooms of Brazil", but "of Belgium" or "of Serbia" - get real! Perhaps it makes sense for national food classification, like "Mushrooms in Serbian cuisine", but not as a general intersection of "taxon A * territory B". How many countries have the honour of growing toadstools? NVO (talk) 21:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
- This is not about "mushrooms" vs "toadstools", but about "mushrooms" vs "puffballs", "shelf fungi" etc. "Mushrooms" (and "toadstools") are just ONE growth form of fungi, and not a taxon!. So what we get by using "mushrooms" categories before we have "fungi" categories is a hodge-podge of badly categorized images. Besides, "How many countries have the honour of growing toadstools?" makes no sense at all, except if we use the "mushroom" categories in the "Food" category tree. "How many people take photos of toadstools and upload them on Commons?" - "A whole damn lot!" Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 11:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)