Commons:Categories for discussion/2011/11/District of... renaming

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District of... renaming[edit]

Large undiscussed rename of UK geographical categories from Category:Forest of Dean to Category:District of Forest of Dean, and others. See User_talk:Skinsmoke#District_of... for some existing discussion.

This just looks like disambuggeration - in some cases we might usefully need to disambiguate two real entities as categories (maybe "town" and "district of town") and so such a rename makes sense. In most cases though, there was only ever one entity and so no need to disambiguate. The result of applying this new change there is simply to make the real, useful category empty and less prominent, whilst hiding the useful content under an unfamiliar neologism.

There is no need whatsoever for sibling categories to be named according to some identical formula. MediaWiki categorization operates by membership, not by string-matching.

This is a bad change and should be reverted. If it's useful in some cases for real disambiguation, then keep those. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Forest of Dean is not really the best example, because of, well, the Forest of Dean. "District of Forest of Dean" is awkward, but is the formal legal name for the district (so not a neologism, even if completely unfamiliar). That said, I'd prefer the disambiguation to be done after the name, as this makes HotCat and other Commons tools more useable; Forest of Dean District and Forest of Dean (district) - which matches the article on en.wp - are both viable options here.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
In general terms, my views are expressed here.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
We now have Category:Forest of Dean as an empty category. That dumps on our readers in a big way. Is that what we're supposed to do? Wikilawyering over pointless (and in this case, incorrect) subtleties of wiki authoring should never break site usability for unfamiliar readers. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Not disagreeing on that point, I'm just pointing out the end goal for Forest of Dean will probably have some sort of disambiguation.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Disambiguation there should probably be as Category:Forest of Dean (forest), as the historically least important taxon. The Forest is about boundaries, geology and community, far more than it is about trees. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)