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Category:Fireboats[edit]

Should be merged with Category:Firefighting boats. English Wikipedia article is en:Fireboat but to my mind „Category:Firefighting boats“ is the better name here. --GeorgHHtalk   07:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose -- Nearly everywere fireboat (or fire boat) is used, so the better name for this category is clearly fireboats
-- 85.177.191.192 07:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Merge to Category:Fireboats, that name seems better. --rimshottalk 10:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Merged and redirected to Category:Fireboats. --GeorgHHtalk   22:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Texas Football[edit]

This category should be renamed to Category:Texas Longhorns football for consistency with other schools. Similarly, Category:Texas Basketball should be renamed to Category:Texas Longhorns men's basketball. Thank you. --UserB 02:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC) --UserB 02:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support I don't see why not, and right now, it's confusing since "Texas football" could refer to the Longhorns or American football in Texas in general. --Ytoyoda 04:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there any opposition to the following moves?
Rename Category:Texas Football to Category:Texas Longhorns football (55 entries moved, 0 to go)
Rename Category:Texas Basketball to Category:Texas Longhorns men's basketball (9 entries moved, 0 to go)

--rimshottalk 11:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Moves requested. --rimshottalk 12:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Moved to the respective targets, source categories and gallery pages that redirected to them deleted. --rimshottalk 13:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Art galleries[edit]

Duplicate category. Merge to Category:Art museums, which is much better used. Also merge:

and rename:

--Jonathan Oldenbuck 10:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

At least in American usage, an "art gallery" is not a museum (although there are museums that have the word "gallery" in their name, and occasionally vice versa). An "art museum" is normally an institution with a permanent space that exhibits, but does not sell, art. An "art gallery" is a space, permanent or otherwise, that sells art (and may occasionally also have some art on display that is not for sale). In Seattle, where I live, there are (depending on how you count) roughly 5-12 art museums. There are hundreds of art galleries. - Jmabel ! talk 02:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Kept separately
an art gallery and an art museum are two completely different things in most countries. --Foroa (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Aircraft of the Royal Flying Corp[edit]

Needs to be renamed to Aircraft of the Royal Flying Corps (note the "s") --Greenshed 14:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


(Speedily) Done, no discussion needed. --rimshottalk 11:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Registered Historic Places in Florida[edit]

Registered Historic Places in Florida --Ebyabe 22:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Believe the subcategories should match Wikipedia. Currently they all start with National Register of Historic Places in, and on Wikipedia they start with Registered Historic Places in. I have to admit I created the subcategories initially that way, but now realize the error of my ways. I hope this is the correct forum to propose this. Thanks for considering this. -Ebyabe 22:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support the proposed name is more to the point. --rimshottalk 12:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Do you feel like putting together a batch of {{move cat}}'s? Just put them below this discussion. --rimshottalk 14:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, please! I'll work on it over the next day or two. Thanks! :) --Ebyabe 01:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Or tonight:

Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Alachua County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Alachua County, Florida (0 entries moved, 16 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Baker County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Baker County, Florida (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Bradford County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Bradford County, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Brevard County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Brevard County, Florida (0 entries moved, 28 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Broward County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Broward County, Florida (0 entries moved, 41 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Charlotte County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Charlotte County, Florida (0 entries moved, 18 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Citrus County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Citrus County, Florida (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Clay County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Clay County, Florida (0 entries moved, 18 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Columbia County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Columbia County, Florida (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Escambia County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Escambia County, Florida (0 entries moved, 4 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Flagler County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Flagler County, Florida (0 entries moved, 17 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Franklin County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Franklin County, Florida (0 entries moved, 7 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Gadsden County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Gadsden County, Florida (0 entries moved, 7 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Gulf County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Gulf County, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Hamilton County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Hamilton County, Florida (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Hendry County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Hendry County, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Hernando County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Hernando County, Florida (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Highlands County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Highlands County, Florida (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Hillsborough County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Hillsborough County, Florida (0 entries moved, 20 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Indian River County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Indian River County, Florida (0 entries moved, 49 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Jackson County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Jackson County, Florida (0 entries moved, 4 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Jefferson County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Jefferson County, Florida (0 entries moved, 24 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Lake County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Lake County, Florida (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Lee County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Lee County, Florida (0 entries moved, 26 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Leon County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Leon County, Florida (0 entries moved, 16 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Levy County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Levy County, Florida (0 entries moved, 10 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Liberty County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Liberty County, Florida (0 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Madison County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Madison County, Florida (0 entries moved, 10 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Marion County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Marion County, Florida (0 entries moved, 10 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Miami-Dade County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Miami-Dade County, Florida (0 entries moved, 57 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Monroe County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Monroe County, Florida (0 entries moved, 24 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Nassau County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Nassau County, Florida (0 entries moved, 9 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Orange County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange County, Florida (0 entries moved, 36 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Osceola County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Osceola County, Florida (0 entries moved, 7 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Palm Beach County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Palm Beach County, Florida (0 entries moved, 25 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Pasco County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Pasco County, Florida (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Pinellas County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Pinellas County, Florida (0 entries moved, 33 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Polk County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Polk County, Florida (0 entries moved, 15 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Putnam County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Putnam County, Florida (0 entries moved, 15 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Sarasota County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Sarasota County, Florida (0 entries moved, 65 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Seminole County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Seminole County, Florida (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in St. Johns County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in St. Johns County, Florida (1 entries moved, 13 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Suwannee County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Suwannee County, Florida (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Union County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Union County, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Wakulla County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Wakulla County, Florida (0 entries moved, 6 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Washington County, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Washington County, Florida (0 entries moved, 4 to go)


Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Apopka, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Apopka, Florida (0 entries moved, 17 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Belleview, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Belleview, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Cedar Key, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Cedar Key, Florida (0 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Eustis, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Eustis, Florida (0 entries moved, 20 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Evinston, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Evinston, Florida (0 entries moved, 27 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Gainesville, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Gainesville, Florida (0 entries moved, 35 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Glen St. Mary, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Glen St. Mary, Florida (0 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Lake City, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Lake City, Florida (0 entries moved, 47 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Leesburg, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Leesburg, Florida (0 entries moved, 2 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Maitland, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Maitland, Florida (0 entries moved, 7 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Melrose, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Melrose, Florida (0 entries moved, 23 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Micanopy, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Micanopy, Florida (0 entries moved, 40 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Mount Dora, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Mount Dora, Florida (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Ocala, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Ocala, Florida (0 entries moved, 20 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Orange Springs, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange Springs, Florida (0 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Orlando, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Orlando, Florida (0 entries moved, 26 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Palatka, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Palatka, Florida (0 entries moved, 12 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Punta Gorda, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Punta Gorda, Florida (0 entries moved, 19 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in St. Augustine, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in St. Augustine, Florida (0 entries moved, 19 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Tampa, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Tampa, Florida (0 entries moved, 38 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Tavares, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Tavares, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Windermere, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Windermere, Florida (0 entries moved, 20 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Winter Garden, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Winter Garden, Florida (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Winter Park, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Winter Park, Florida (0 entries moved, 24 to go)

Cheers! --Ebyabe 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll add them to User:CommonsDelinker/commands, but it will take a while for them to be processed, as the bot is currently having problems. --rimshottalk 09:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done, hope I didn't forget any. --rimshottalk 12:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Yay!!! If any were forgotten, it'd prolly be my fault. Thanks incredibly muchly! :) --Ebyabe 22:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, crikeys:

Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Daytona Beach, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Daytona Beach, Florida (0 entries moved, 26 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in DeLand, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in DeLand, Florida (0 entries moved, 33 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in DeLeon Springs, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in DeLeon Springs, Florida (0 entries moved, 9 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in New Smyrna Beach, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in New Smyrna Beach, Florida (0 entries moved, 16 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Orange City, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Orange City, Florida (0 entries moved, 19 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Ormond Beach, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Ormond Beach, Florida (0 entries moved, 35 to go)
Rename Category:National Register of Historic Places in Port Orange, Florida to Category:Registered Historic Places in Port Orange, Florida (0 entries moved, 9 to go)

See what I mean? :) --Ebyabe 22:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I've requested those moves as well. --rimshottalk 09:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Categories moved, if there are any left, you can request the move here, and refer to this discussion. --rimshottalk 12:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Overruled by Commons:Categories for discussion/Current requests/2009/02/Registered Historic Places categories --Foroa (talk) 11:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

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Category:John Bosco[edit]

Reasons for discussion request --AlbeiroR24 09:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Following the discussion in the Village pump. The name "Don Bosco" is more international and it is also hold as the English name.

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support as nominator. --AlbeiroR24 09:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, if you look at bs:Ivan Bosco, bg:Боско, Иоанн, ca:Sant Joan Bosco, cs:Jan Bosco, da:Giovanni Bosco, de:Johannes Bosco, en:John Bosco, es:Juan Bosco, fr:Jean Bosco, ko:요한 보스코, hr:Sveti Ivan Bosco, id:Yohannes Bosco, it:San Giovanni Bosco, la:Iohannes Bosco, lt:Šv. Jonas Boskas, hu:Bosco Szent János, nl:Giovanni Bosco, ja:ヨハネ・ボスコ, no:Johannes Bosco, pam:Giovanni Melchiorre Bosco, pms:Giovanni Bosco, pl:Jan Bosko, pt:João Bosco (santo), ro:Ioan Bosco, ru:Боско, Иоанн, sq:Giovanni Melchior Bosco, sk:Giovanni Melchior Bosco, sl:Sveti Janez Bosco, fi:Giovanni Bosco, sv:Giovanni Bosco, th:นักบุญยอห์น บอสโก, uk:Боско, Иоанн, vi:Gioan Bosco, zh:若望•鮑思高 - no one uses Don Bosco but they all use variants of Giovanni, or John. Evrik 14:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment In fact, there are more support than opposition and more reasons to move than those (two) who said that the move goes against the policies. However, the reason to move support the policy. "Don Bosco" is not only the English recognized name (easy to prove), but also the international one. 202.47.103.62

Summary[edit]

As there has been some discussion at the Village Pump, I will try to summarize the arguments. Keep in mind that this is not a vote, and that the merit not the number of arguments counts. I will not make comments as to the merits of the arguments, in this listing. These aren't my arguments, but taken from the discussion. I will give my own opinion afterwards.

  • Moving to Don Bosco
  • Don Bosco is more international than John Bosco, making it easier for international users to find.
  • Don Bosco, despite different national names, is also known in many countries by "Don Bosco" or variants thereof. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
  • Don Bosco is used by the Salesians of Don Bosco. [1]
  • There is a consensus for changing to Don Bosco, or at least an overwhelming majority. [2]
  • Keeping John Bosco
  • Few national wikis use the name Don Bosco, they use the corresponding national variant for their article title.
  • The policy says "use the English name", and John Bosco is the English name.
  • Moving to Giovanni Bosco
  • Giovanni Bosco is the native name.
  • Neutral
  • All variants are (more or less) commonly used in English, and category names are in English. Therefore, it does not really matter which one is chosen.

Now that the neutral part is over, let me state my own opinion: the arguments for using Don Bosco are based on convenience for international users, consensus and commonsense. I think those are pretty strong arguments. The arguments against using Don Bosco are based on interpreting policy and article names that were presumably based on national policies. IMHO, these are rather weak arguments. The policy argument is made even weaker by the fact that "Don Bosco" is seen, by a majority of voters, as an English name. So, if no new and compelling arguments come forth, I will move the category to Don Bosco and create a category redirect from John Bosco to Don Bosco. --rimshottalk 09:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment no pages use Don as part of the article name. they all use a variant of John. So I really don't see how the use of Don is more convenient for international users. There is no majorty vote here. there is also no consensus for a move. Evrik 14:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
For the consensus: look here. For the use: google search might reveal de best known name:
  • Google "John Bosco" wikipedia: 9230 hits
  • Google "Don Bosco" wikipedia: 44000 hits
  • Search on English Wikipedia: "John Bosco": 190 hits, "Don Bosco" 390 hits --Foroa 15:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • That was a vote. The policy is what it is. It's supposed to be neutral. This is a bad example to try and get an exception to the rule. Evrik 19:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Thank you for the good summary. I think that we, in general, should be cautious with a blind "English" rule and try to move to compromises with a better multi-language and multi-cultural dimension. Don Bosco is a nice example, but there are others too. For example, we could use for the many images, articles and categories containing saint a more universal abbreviation such as st (E.g. St-Martin). As far as I know, is St-Martin acceptable in many European languages and acceptable as unisex symbol (for male and female saints). --Foroa 10:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment the English rule as you call it is to make the commons a place where all people can work together. There is no reason to change the name of the category. Evrik
I already took into account your arguments, as you can see in the listing. There is no need to repeat them. If you want to change my opinion, please provide new and compelling arguments. I may not have been clear enough, so I will, again, state what weakens the main arguments for "John Bosco":
  • Article names: what these tell us is that Don Bosco is called by variants of John in many countries, nothing more. If you read the articles, you will find statements saying that Don Bosco is also used. I don't speak many languages, but in those I do speak, you find the following:
  • German: Meist wird er nur „Don Bosco“ genannt., which means Usually, he is just called Don Bosco
  • English: ...known in English as Don Bosco
  • French: Jean Bosco ou Don Bosco ..., which means Jean Bosco or John Bosco...
  • Others are already found in the original discussion.
Also, some languages use variants of Don, so that argument is really incredibly weak.
  • Policy: the policy says that the English name should be used. It should be clear even to you, however, that Don Bosco is just as English a name as John Bosco is.
  • No consensus: there will never be a full consensus for any variant. An overwhelming majority supports Don Bosco, however.
Finally, Category:John Bosco will stay as a category redirect so all those intent on using that name to find images will be able to do so. --rimshottalk 11:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Looking at the comments at the top of the page, there is no consensus to move the category. There is no consensus to make an exception to the language policy. Opinion is split. The category should stay as it is. Evrik 19:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Did you look at the original discussion? Did you even try to imagine that it might be possible that Don Bosco is compatible with the language policy, not an exception? --rimshottalk 21:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Don is a titles and not a name. Again, as of the last time I looked ... none of the articles were titled Don Bosco. Evrik 13:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Again, I see your position as the only position. There are very strong evidences to support the move. Your only objection has been answer many times. I think there is not enough opposition and technically I think there is already a consensus and good reasons for the move. AlbeiroR24
  • You can spin your argument all you want. The results are in fact, rather muddled. There is No consensus to make the move. That is fairly clear. Evrik 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
"There is No consensus to make the move": Conclusion belonging only to User:Evrik. Consensus only before his position, little support to his point of view during discussion. Unknowing other positions. That is not fairly clear. Studying other procedures to continue discussion under the support of the records of this discussion. AlbeiroR24
  • 'Don is a title and not a name. This is an exception to the naming policies. There is not enough support here to warrant that move. Evrik 19:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to let you down Evrik, but it is pretty clear that "Don Bosco" is also an accepted English name. Even though the language policy says to use the English name in categories, please don't take it so literally that the category must be named in the way only [near-]native English speakers would understand the name. In addition, if I could be so literal myself, the language policy is actually pretty loose on which English name to use in categories. The aforementioned discussions and this one lean toward favouring an internationally recognised English name. Therefore, the contents of Category:John Bosco will be moved to Category:Don Bosco, with the former category remaining a redirect. Any additional questions may be asked on my talk page. 哦,是吗?(висчвын) 00:58, 15 May 2008 (GMT)

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Fictional Flags[edit]

Bad capitalization, I propose the following renames:

Rename Category:Canada related Fictional Flags to Category:Variations on flags of Canada (31 entries moved, 0 to go)
Rename Category:European Union related Fictional Flags to Category:Variations on flags of the European Union (91 entries moved, 0 to go)
Rename Category:United Kingdom related Fictional Flags to Category:Variations on flags of the United Kingdom (105 entries moved, 0 to go)
Rename Category:United States related Fictional Flags to Category:Variations on flags of the United States (167 entries moved, 0 to go)

The names are still not great, so if someone has a better proposal, go ahead. --rimshottalk 13:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Not all of the flags in these categories are "fictional" in the sense of being derived from works of fiction, but I can't think of better phrasing right now... AnonMoos 14:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
What happens we someone says a certain flag is "fictional" and someone else says it's not? Usually, it's over slight color variations. Maybe a more neutral name like "flag variations". - Rocket000 16:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Something like Variations on flags of the European Union? --rimshottalk 17:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, or "Modified flags of..." but I like "variations" the best. - Rocket000 17:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Changed the proposal accordingly. --rimshottalk 18:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I want to note that the reason the flags are called "Fictional" is because they are not real in the sense of "real world", and not because of the way they were drawn, but because of the theme that stands behind the drawing and the idea it conveys. --Oren neu dag 23:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand that, that's why I'm still not quite happy with the solution. How about "Flags derived from flags of ...."? --rimshottalk 11:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I actually thought about that one too. What about just "Derivatives of flags of ..."? Leaving out the "flag" part makes sense if you consider things like Image:AmericaGermany.PNG, and Image:Flag Israel template.gif which really aren't suppose to be "flags". The only problem is technically every flag we have is a derivative unless it's not based on any other flag (i.e. we don't have any originals). I'm sure people will understand what we mean, but still I wish I could think of a better name. - Rocket000 13:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Pictogram voting question.svg Question In that case, what about "Flag Derivatives of ..."? which leaves out any other derivative which isn't in a form of a flag (e.g. not in the common form of a flag - rectangle, triangle and etc) --Oren neu dag 14:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Flag Israel template.gif would not be included in an "Israel related Fictional Flags" category (if there were such a category), so if it would be included in your corresponding renamed category, then that might be seen as a problem... AnonMoos 14:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe not, but it's not a flag of Israel either. I'm not sure where things like that or what Rimshot point out should go. Personally, I think they should just stay in the main categories. I would say that anything that's not a flag derivative should stay in the main flag cat. - Rocket000 05:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that should be accounted for by the formulation "Flags derived from flags of ....". But should something like this be allowed? It's not a fictional flag, so I guess no. --rimshottalk 16:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, on second thought, that's a little clearer. Just "derivatives" can mean so many things that I don't think we're looking to include. - Rocket000 05:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support I Support Rimshot's proposal. --Oren neu dag 10:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
In other words (to clarify my past remark), all four of these categories were intended to be subcategories of Category:Special or fictional flags, so whatever they are renamed to should also be a valid subcategory of Category:Special or fictional flags -- AnonMoos 07:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the "Flags of Romania" category has as subcategories "Photographs of flags of Romania" and "Paintings of flags of Romania"... AnonMoos 19:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


Moved accordingly. The former cats have been left as redirects. --O (висчвын) 03:48, 10 July 2008 (GMT)


By the way, since this proposal was first made, the following additional categories have been created:

Category:Latin American related Fictional Flags
Category:Malaysia related Fictional Flags
Category:Outer Space related Fictional Flags

-- AnonMoos (talk) 14:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)