Commons:Deletion requests/2009/07/05

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Contents 1 July 5 1.1 File:Flood_in_Central_Europe_Meteosat_200906221200_met8.jpg 1.2 File:Areios_Pagos_courthouse.jpg 1.3 File:Lambeti_theater.jpg 1.4 File:PEAN_memorial_plaque.jpg 1.5 File:Pericles_estatua_en_avda_Athinas01.JPG 1.6 File:Pericles_estatua_en_avda_Athinas01.JPG 1.7 File:Pericles_estatua_en_avda_Athinas.JPG 1.8 File:Pericles_estatua_en_avda_Athinas.JPG 1.9 File:DamaskinosStatue200509_CopyrightKaihsuTai.jpg 1.10 File:National_Glyptotheque_of_Greece,_Goudi_-_Athens,_May_2007.JPG 1.11 File:National_Glyptotheque_of_Greece,_Goudi_-_Athens,_May_2007.JPG 1.12 File:Georgios_Theotokis_statue_in_Corfu.JPG 1.13 File:PikiWiki_Israel_3577_Ramat-Gan_City.JPG 1.14 File:PikiWiki_Israel_3557_Gan-Shmuel_sb14-_1.jpg 1.15 File:Braai4Heritage_poster.jpg 1.16 File:Tai_Situ_Rinpoche.jpg

[edit] July 5

[edit] File:Flood_in_Central_Europe_Meteosat_200906221200_met8.jpg

impossible tp publish this image under a public domain licence 132.199.211.3 07:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry, i dawdled - i had to look for correct attribution on http://www.eumetsat.int - i found an licence at File:Windstorm 08 jan 2005 1200Z.JPG

in fact, eumetsat says:

Note: All Meteosat images shown on our Web server are subject to EUMETSAT copyright. If you wish to re-use these Meteosat images, EUMETSAT's copyright credit should be shown by displaying the words "copyright {year} EUMETSAT" (where {year} is the current year) on each of the images shown. [1]

full policy is found in EUMETSAT Data Policy (pdf) via http://www.eumetsat.int/Home/Basic/Legal_Information/SP_LEGAL_DATA_POLICY, where is stated at 4.

EUMETSAT shall make its Six-hourly Meteosat Data, the Meteosat Derived Products and the data offered through its Meteosat Internet Service available to all users world-wide on a free and unrestricted basis as "Essential" Data and Products in accordance with WMO Resolution 40 (Cg-XII).

as i understood, this image is rated "Essential"

is that acceptable? if we keep it, should i place a correct copyright © 2009 EUMETSAT into the image - maybe also the other file above? --W!B: (talk) 07:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete, eumetsat is no USAgov. 77.49.26.65 07:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Keep Free annd unrestricted, attribution required, if I understand the terms correctly. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Keep I think it's free. --AleXXw •talk!•me@de.wp 11:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Keep Where is the difference to File:Windstorm 08 jan 2005 1200Z.JPG - if one is free, the other not? --K@rl (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Delete There you cannot find any information about commercial use or derrivative works. Looks more that the images are copyrighted: All Meteosat images shown on our web server are subject to EUMETSAT copyright. --High Contrast (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

 Keep - Of course those images are copyrighted, as are most images on Commons. But they are licensed for free and unrestricted use with attribution. "Unrestricted" excludes restrictions eg. for derivative or commercial use, so that this license is perfectly acceptable for Commons. --Latebird (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Where are these images licensed for free and unrestricted use with attribution? --High Contrast (talk) 11:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

They specify such a license in their Data Policy for what they call "essential" material (IV). Images on their web site seem to count as "essential" (2.3). I'n not entirely sure how to read that paragraph, though. We might need to reduce the resolution to 800x800 pixels. --Latebird (talk) 00:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

It's worth noting that this image is not actually taken from the EUMETSAT website, but from the personal web page of Bernhard Mühr at the University of Karlsruhe ([2]). Thus, I suspect it doesn't actually fall under the scope of the "Meteosat Internet Service" in the first place. Also worth noting, but probably of secondary importance, is that in using the term "free and unrestricted" the EUMETSAT Data Policy references WMO Resolution 40 (Cg-XII), which in a footnote defines that term as meaning "non-discriminatory and without charge" (and refers to another WMO resolution, which I couldn't find on Google). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

 Delete The copyright holder didn't state about commercial use and derivative works. So it should be recognised as those rights are reserved by EUMETSAT.--Kwj2772 (msg) 07:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

In doubt, why not asking the people who created this image? --Túrelio (talk) 08:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

yes, Ilmari Karonen is right, i misunderstood the source of the image - uni-karlsruhe.de is just the host of the archive, but it wont be for free anyhow without explicite statement - as Túrelio suggested, I'll try to contact one of the metreologigcal agencies associated with EUMETSAT, till then please (as the uploader)  Delete W!B: (talk) 01:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The only copyright requirement is attribution. Of course this allows commercial use, that is what meteorological images are typically used for. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 14:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Areios_Pagos_courthouse.jpg

No freedom of Panorama i Greece 77.49.26.65 07:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep. That's just a square building! Is he going to request deletion for the supermarket next to my house too?! --The daydreamer (talk) 22:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Lambeti_theater.jpg

No freedom of panorama in Greece 77.49.26.65 07:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Comment Maybe should be deleted because of the poster, but the building seems rather common. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:PEAN_memorial_plaque.jpg

No freedom of panoArma in Greece 77.49.26.65 07:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Comment Uploader not notified. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 11:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Pericles_estatua_en_avda_Athinas.JPG

No freedom of panorama in Greece 77.49.26.65 08:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Who is the sculptor and/or when was the statue erected? --Túrelio (talk) 08:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Faltermeier, probably Heinrich, dead 1999, so  Delete. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Keep The article §26 of the Greek Copyright Law establishes that: The occasional reproduction and communication by the mass media of images of architectural works, fine art works, photographs or works of applied art, which are sited permanently in a public place, shall be permissible, without the consent of the author and without payment. Dorieo (talk) 18:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

•  Keep Until the Greek FOP issue is resolved in Sept. See Commons_talk:Freedom_of_panorama#Greece --Labattblueboy (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Pericles_estatua_en_avda_Athinas.JPG

No freedom of Panorama in Greece Iconoclast (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 Keep The article §26 of the Greek Copyright Law establishes that: The occasional reproduction and communication by the mass media of images of architectural works, fine art works, photographs or works of applied art, which are sited permanently in a public place, shall be permissible, without the consent of the author and without payment. Dorieo (talk) 19:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikimedia is not occasional and is not mass media. Iconoclast (talk) 19:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 Delete I interpret "occasional reproduction" as de minimis only, and unfortunately the restriction to the undefined "mass media" is too much for us,

The interpretation of "occasional reproduction and communication by the mass media" as it is perceived in Greece, allows for this use. Photos of any kind of public places are freely and widely use in any kind of media. Even more this is a public monument (in a public place), belonging to the Greek state and its cultural value is freely available to all people. Dorieo (talk) 11:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

•  Keep Until the Greek FOP issue is resolved in Sept. See Commons_talk:Freedom_of_panorama#Greece --Labattblueboy (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
•  Delete now there is September, no freedom of panorama in Greece. Iconoclast (talk) 14:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Not only is this user apparently unwilling to wait for the lawyers to complete their research into the topic, but he is again submitting many images in the same day for speedy deletion, in spite of the fact that he has been asked not to while the Freedom of Panorama issue is being settled. See [3] and User_talk:Iconoclast. -- ArielGlenn (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:DamaskinosStatue200509_CopyrightKaihsuTai.jpg

No freedom of panorama in Greece 77.49.26.65 08:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Who is the sculptor and/or when was the statue erected? --Túrelio (talk) 08:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Pedestal has a 1949 date, modern sculture,  Delete. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anybody know when works of art in Greece become PD? --Túrelio (talk) 09:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Must be the same as the rest of the EU: 70 years after the artist's death. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Reference: Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#Greece. This is a crazy law, but it is the law nonetheless. Sigh. – Kaihsu Tai (talk) 08:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:National_Glyptotheque_of_Greece,_Goudi_-_Athens,_May_2007.JPG

No freedom of panorama in Greece 77.49.26.65 08:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep it. We still don't know what the Greek law is referring to exactly by "occasional" reproduction.--The daydreamer (talk) 22:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 Delete Occasional reproduction is very unlikely to include publication as postcards. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:National_Glyptotheque_of_Greece,_Goudi_-_Athens,_May_2007.JPG

No freedom of panorama in Greece. Iconoclast (talk) 14:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

See Commons_talk:Freedom_of_panorama#Greece. The user who submitted the deletion nomination was asked to wait until folks got some research back from the lawyers, instead of forcing people to reply on 25 separate pages a day. -- ArielGlenn (talk) 15:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Georgios_Theotokis_statue_in_Corfu.JPG

No freedom of panorama in Greece 77.49.26.65 08:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Who is the sculptor and/or when was the statue erected? --Túrelio (talk) 08:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Name of sculptor: Georgios Dimitriades. Article: Art in Corfu until the 40’s.. Quote: "Nevertheless, during the first decades of the 20th century, public sculptures are mounted, mainly honorary busts, in areas of Corfu town. These come directly from Athenian workshops.", "Nevertheless, during the first decades of the 20th century, public sculptures are mounted, mainly honorary busts, in areas of Corfu town. These come directly from Athenian workshops. It is thus noted that commissions are now placed to other centres, capable to serve the needs of the local society, needs no longer covered by the local artists. It is at this precise time that busts of Nikolaos Halikiopoulos-Mantzaros and Petros Vrailas-Armenis by Evanghelos Kallos, the bust of Lorentzos Mavilis by Petros Roubos, the bust of Nicolaos Mantzaros, by Michael Tombros, the statue of Georgios Theotokis by Georgios Dimitriadis and the Memorial of the Fallen by Vasos Falireas, are all mounted in Corfu town." and "In most cases, these works are within the boundaries of the classic style. The statue of Georgios Theotokis, mounted on a pedestal emphasizes its distance from the spectator and attempts an idealistic impression of the person, following faithfully the classic principle."Dr.K. (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

• Georgios Dimitriades sculptor 1880 – 1941 Dr.K. (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep I am against cancellation. It is almost 70 years, so PD.--The daydreamer (talk) 21:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Commons isn't a collection of almost free content. The point is that it has not been 70 years since the author died. —LX (talk, contribs) 05:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:PikiWiki_Israel_3577_Ramat-Gan_City.JPG

COM:DW, FOP does not apply (2D-work, not permanently situated). Pieter Kuiper (talk) 11:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Why do you think it's not permanently situated? Where do you think they're going to move it when the centenary is over? Surely they'll just throw it away. That makes this its permanent situation. -- Zsero (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Permanently situated has two meanings in this context: (1) fixed in a public place and never moved from there (2) a movable object that has the sole purpose of being displayed in public, an there no intention to collect it for future use. The content of this poster clearly indicates that it has no other purpose but being displayed in this public place (even if it is technically movable). 2D-works are covered under the Israeli copyright law, and I am afraid Pieter Kuiper is not the authority regarding the interpretation of Israeli laws. Drork (talk) 14:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually there is only one meaning. Your (1) does not exist — there is no such thing as a work that will last forever! Every work that is displayed in public will be removed eventually, whether after one year or a thousand; but it is obvious that this does not make it a temporary situation. As you say, what matters is whether it is intended to be put on private display afterwards, and in this case that is clearly not going to happen. Would Mr Kuiper claim that an ice or butter sculpture is not "permanently situated", merely because it will not be there for very long? -- Zsero (talk) 23:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:PikiWiki_Israel_3557_Gan-Shmuel_sb14-_1.jpg

This is a weird collage; not in use; does not seem to be in scope. Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Why not in scope - historical image of the people of the vilage. Deror avi (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The image is not in use, I cannot see any educational purpose.  Delete /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not in use now, but it could easily be used in an article about Gan Shmuel. It's a charming photo of village life in the 1950s. -- Zsero (talk) 22:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep the image. This project's scope is wide enough. Drork (talk) 14:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Braai4Heritage_poster.jpg

Not own work by uploader. Poster for an event in S. Africa. Sv1xv (talk) 18:07, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, the artwork belongs to and is paid for by the uploader. The uploader is the person responsible for the Braai4Heritage campaign and briefed an ad agency, DraftFCB Cape Town, to develop the work for their 2008 campaign. The uploader therefore owns the right to distribute the visual. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.2.204.214 (talk) 07:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Then, please contact the OTRS, so that it can be confirmed that you are the copyright hoder and that you really gave the permission to use it here. Because, to be honest, I doubt that. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Tai_Situ_Rinpoche.jpg

want to upload better qualitiy Nyinje1 (talk) 15:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Comment You can use the link "Upload a new version of this file" on the image page. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Comment. Something weird is going on here. File:Tai Situ Rinpoche.jpg was uploaded as own work by User:Nyinje1. A downscaled version was uploaded at File:KTSitu Rinpoche.jpg the next day and claimed as own work by User:Sherab1180. The latter should certainly be deleted, but I'm not sure what to do with the former. Pruneau^talk 11:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)