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[edit] January 1
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[edit] Image:RoswellDailJuly2C147.jpg
The uploader claims to be the author of this newspaper scan and simultaneously claims that it is in the public domain as a work of the US federal government. However, as far as I can tell, the Rosswell Daily Record is a privately owned publication. —LX (talk, contribs) 11:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete, speedily as copyvio. Lewis Collard! (talk, contribs, en.wp) 19:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Not an obvious copyvio... most US newspapers of that era (outside of a few New York papers) did not renew copyrights, so this is almost certainly PD-not_renewed (though PD-USGov is quite wrong). The page does contain two AP photos though, which may have been renewed. The quality is degraded so much I'm not sure that matters too much. Carl Lindberg 05:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- And unless you can think of a way to prove that it's not renewed, I stand by what I said above. Lewis Collard! (talk, contribs, en.wp) 06:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- UPenn did a copyright renewal search a year or so ago. Here is a Google cache of their results, and here is the original Powerpoint file. Only the New York Herald/Tribune and New York Times renewed issues prior to the 1940s, and only a handful renewed 1940s issues. Renewals became more common with 1950s newspaper issues though. Carl Lindberg 07:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- And unless you can think of a way to prove that it's not renewed, I stand by what I said above. Lewis Collard! (talk, contribs, en.wp) 06:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. Like in the discussion mentioned, the scan does at least include copyrighted images, furthermore cannot be guaranteed that this newspaper would fall under PD-not_renewed. my name 12:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Foto-logo.jpg
Uploader has repeated copyright violations, coming off block he uploads this. I do not believe this is his work -N 04:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete and block stupid uploader. Lewis Collard! (talk, contribs, en.wp) 05:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)- Ignore the above. I just received the following email:
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- I'm Mario Perez (aka the "stupid uploader" NightHawkST3). Honestly, this thing is starting to get on my nerves. For some reason you or someone else have said that I've been upolading some images that are not mine... THOSE IMAGES ARE COMPLETELY OF MYYYYY PROTERTY.
- I just upoladed this image:
- Foto-logo.jpg
- You'll see two guys in there with a logo of MY BAND!!!!! I'm the one with glasses...
- I've been using CreativeCommon licenses for quite a while and that's what I used as a license for EVERY image I upload in this page, and in my web page!!. I don't know what kind of license you want me to put in there, but this is the second time I'm having this problem.
- I have a record label called Angelical Records (go and visit www.angelicalrecords.com, and it'll be in spanish). Please just stop saying that those images aren't mine!!! EVERYTHING I UPLOAD IS MINE!!!! IF IT SAYS "ANGELICAL RECORDS" ON THE AUTHOR OR SOURCE SPACES, THAT'S BECAUSE I AM PART OF ANGELICAL RECORDS. I OWN THOSE IMAGES!!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE!!!!
- Still don't believe me? go to my MySpace (www.myspace.com/nighthawkst3) or my band's MySpace: www.myspace.com/egeiro, and you'll see me and/or my band's logo...
- I really don't know what to do in order to prove that everything that I upolad in wikipedia is MINE!!!
- In short, I withdraw my previous comment. Seems he is the original author of the stuff he uploads. Lewis Collard! (talk, contribs, en.wp) 07:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Nice! Try explaining the wiki concept to him. You can "edit" a page and fill in the details to make people believe your work is genuine. -N 15:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment I checked out the links and I believe him, but I see no sign that he uses CC for every (or any) image on his site. A email from the site itself would help (COM:OTRS) or some kind of CC notice on the site. Rocket000 05:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. A understandable permission did not arrive at COM:OTRS; this is necessary to make sure that the image is free. As long as this permission did not arrive, a deletion is the best solution. my name 12:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Statue of Charles XIV of Sweden
These three photos of a statue of king Charles XIV of Sweden are of low quality (photographed at dusk) and not used anywhere. Also, WikiCommons have two other photos of the same object (here and here).
- Image:Karl XIV Johans staty från 1846 i Karl Johans park, Norrköping, den 20 nov 2005. Bild 1..JPG
- Image:Karl XIV Johans staty från 1846 i Karl Johans park, Norrköping, den 20 nov 2005. Bild 2..JPG
- Image:Karl XIV Johans staty från 1846 i Karl Johans park, Norrköping, den 20 nov 2005. Bild 3..JPG
Thuresson 07:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Just because we have others doesn't mean we don't want these (or more). These are most definitely usable, and unused is not a deletion reason. Carl Lindberg 15:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Correction, unused is not a "speedy deletion" reason. Thuresson 06:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Unused is not a regular deletion reason either ;-) The "Low quality" reason, I think, is for pictures which are so bad as to be unusable (so blurry you can't identify the subject, etc.) and "redundant", to me, means photos taken from similar angles at similar times to the point they show the exact same aspects of the subject.
- As for the nominated images, someone may want to show what this statue looks like at dusk, or maybe prefers the aesthetic of the blue sky in a particular context, or maybe the image could be brightened by someone in the future. Deleting an image from commons is pretty serious, in my opinion, and should rarely be done in for photos which have a clear legal status and are within project scope. It's pretty hard to determine that those images are definitely not useful for any future purpose in any wikimedia project (wikibooks can give a pretty wide scope). To me, your arguments are more for replacing these images on wikipedia articles with the others you mention, which seems quite reasonable -- but we don't try to force that editorial decision by deleting the other ones from commons. Carl Lindberg 07:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Correction, unused is not a "speedy deletion" reason. Thuresson 06:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Commons:Deletion requests/Category:WikiCast:CommonsMOTD
Duplicate of content already on Commons, Also have doubts as to these being correctly licensed or checked for copyvio --62.56.75.239 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Uh? What are we talking about? -- Bryan (talk to me) 15:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Bandiera_della_Repubblica_Italiana_PMS_20060414.svg
Consenus is that this is a poor version of the Italian flag. It fits the criteria of "Files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject". The image is used nowhere in any of the wikisisters projects and is often a source for edit wars. Udonknome (talk) 03:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Delete Repeated deletion requests should be strongly discouraged, particularly where nothing has changed since the last one. However, in this case, since the last DR Commons' Scope has been clarified, and we now have to consider whether - as alleged - this falls within the ambit of "Files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject". The file is unused except for a couple of pages which discuss it. As we already have a perfectly good representation of the Italian flag, I would say that this one is indeed not educationally distinct unless anyone is able to point to some possible use for this particular image that could not be satisfied by the other. If a distinct use can be proposed I would be happy to change my mind, but at the moment I think the file should go. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 05:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Delete Fake flag. -Nard the Bard 12:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Keep No new arguments against or for. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Keep The question is whether this still falls within COM:SCOPE the quoted section - Files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject to my reading this is about new/recent image uploads, rather than existing images. Scope doesnt clearly cover what/how we deal with images uploaded in good faith but that appear to deteriate as technology advances provide high quality. This image is part of the collection of images we already hold its not a new or recently uploaded image. This isnt nomination isnt any different to previous nominations, its attracting the same responses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnangarra (talk • contribs)
No new arguments either way, so previous verdict stands. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Escudo de Armas Colombia.jpg
[29] copyvio --F3rn4nd0 07:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep OK, you've found the source of the image, but the original image is pretty old. If the US ruling, Corel vs. Bridgeman, applies, it should be PD. --Simonxag 17:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Kept. PD-old applies, the source states that "The coat of arms was introduced on the 9th of May, 1834." – so it can be certain that the creator of the work died more than 100 years ago. my name 12:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Daladier.jpg
No proof that PD-Old applies 62.216.198.20 13:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- It is likely this photo is from his first or second term of office, so the photo is at least 70 years old, but the author is not known. -N 13:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep It is a matter of changing template into obvious {{Anonymous-EU}}. and besides {{PD-because}}
It is widely reproduced official press photo of French Prime Minister, published i.a in Ilustrowany Kurier Codzienny , Kraków, Poland October 1933 ( in connection of dissmiss of French cabinet of ministres) see also official page of French Governement [30],[31] with clear, explicit notice that it belonges to public domain ( L'iconographie de la rubrique "Histoire" : Agence KEYSTONE : la reproduction n’est pas autorisée.)[32].
Best regards : Andros64 10:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Important note the comment above is not true la reproduction n’est pas autorisée means reproduction is not authorised . Jackaranga 20:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Anyway {{Anonymous-EU}}, - "anonymous work" published over 70 ago.
85.89.170.72 13:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Under {Anonymus-EU} is the image licensed correctly. my name 12:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Template:Source via PINGNews
- PINGNews is copyfraud plain and simple. They don't own the photos they distribute and have no right to license them as cc. They do have a number of public domain images but they still license them as cc-by-sa, such as Image:Fiddlin Bill Henseley, Mountain Fiddler, Asheville, North Carolina by Ben Shahn, 1937 (LOC) (290626613).jpg. Others have no indication of real source, such as Image:Prince Abdul Ilah of Iraq at Mount Vernon.jpg and Image:E rollsigns.jpg. I ask for deletion of this template and a total ban on sourcing images from David Shapinsky that are not clearly PD (or listing him at Commons:Questionable Flickr images), a ban on sourcing LOC images to him as these can be better sourced directly to the LOC, and well a ban on marking such images with copyfraud templates (The fiddlin Bill Henseley image was modified by me, it was marked with copyfraud license before) and a careful review of images from this source (with or without the tag) so that copyfraud images can be weeded out. Some of them like Image:Yuri Gagarin Headline, 1961 (NASA) (463614642).jpg are obvious copyvios. -N 15:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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Comment N, I believe using the word "fraud" here is way out of line, please assume good faith and concider your wording more carefully in the future. Finn Rindahl 11:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Delete Wrong recopyright is a violation also? I had no idea there was a template for this locations images. Almost every image I have encountered from this source has been wrongly recopyrighted. -- carol 03:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Adding this above the previous comments by Shapinsky (se page history). This is not a lisence template, but a way of giving credit to how certain images was made avvailable. See user talk:Shapinsky for background about how and why this template was created. I was not around when this template was nominated for deletion, if I had I probably would have made this a speedy keep. Unless arguments why this template is a copyright violation is brought within the next days I will close this discussion as "kept". Finn Rindahl 11:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Comments from David Shapisky
FYI On some of the specific images mentioned:
I took the image Image:E rollsigns.jpg along with many other images of the NYC subway. The real source is me. So how can it be said that this is not clear? I do no understand your objection. Perhaps you ought to visit pingnews on flickr and see how original images taken by me are cataloged separately from public domain images. I am afraid I can not control how others use the photos I create or may unearth from the public domain even when I offer the clearest guidance I could.
As for Prince Abdul, I have just added information that was neglected and indicated clearly that it is from the National Archives collections and is believed to be in the public domain.
Please also note that this problem with flickr not offering a public domain license has come up in the past and I have solicited the advice of others, including flickr as to whether they have an alternative solution besides posting lots of information about a work being in the public domain only to have people ignore it.
Please note the following before you rush to judgment.
First, I agree that the template as it has been used is wrong and ought to be deleted. I never envisioned it would be used this way by others. None of these photos were posted by pingnews as far as I am aware.
Second, one of the reasons why we ended up with this template (as you will find if you check the record of its creation) is that some of the photos that may be found on the pingnews flickr site or elsewhere are my work. These photos are clearly labeled as such where appropriate on my own sites.
When trying to create a template, however, to respond to the need created by users freely using these photos (public domain and otherwise) we tried to come up with a solution that would allow for posting but still say via pingnews. Part of the reason for that is obvious. Traffic is traffic. But the other reason was to provide a way to source-backward. If you go to the pingnews flickr site, you will see that much of the public domain material is already organized by agency, that every source is tagged, that there are sets by photographer, public domain, nasa, library of congress, etc. This backward linkage is hopefully a means to help ensure that people can get back to the actual repository for the work to ask questions, such as those pertaining to rights.
As it stands, people have posted the photos without the information and the attribution license has been transformed into something it was never intended to be. PINGNews has no interest or desire to mislabel works. Aside from the fact that it violates our editorial policy, it also hurts our attempts to publicize the service. We have every reason to want people to know that they can find public domain works by photographers on our site and that they can find the original sources if they wish. We have every reason to want to work with all organizations, like librarians, wikimedia, etc. to make this completely public and up front.
To clarify matters further, pingnews has added this language to the flickr profile page:
"Please Read Before Using any Photos: Understanding the Public Domain Collections: PINGNews is an attempt to make resources more available using readily available resources. We ask that people using our materials recognize and respect copyright rules. This means, for instance, that public domain materials are labeled "public domain." We also encourage users to include as much information as possible from the public record, especially with regard to the photographer and the archival repository (i.e. Library of Congress, National Archives, NASA, etc.) In most cases, we provide this information. We do recognize, however, that an entire catalog record may be too much for a citation. In these instances, we suggest at minimum that the user source the photographer's name and agency where the source was created or now resides. At the top of every description is suggested language. If there is specific attribution language provided by the original source that is posted in the description area as well.
Copyright and flickr -- On flickr, where most of our photos are posted there has not been a "public domain" license available. As a result we label this information as clearly as possible and place it into our public domain collections. WHEN THE IMAGE IS IN TE PUBLIC DOMAIN: Please DO NOT CREDIT PINGNEWS for a photo taken by someone else. We are grateful if there is a line that says "via pingnews" so that we can alert others to this free service. But that is not required. Additionally, all users of any copyrighted materials must make their own judgment about whether specific uses are permissible. We encourage people to return to the source and also to use services like Creative Commons and Wikimedia to find public domain material as well as guidance on copyright questions.
PINGNews Photos Photos done for pingnews are labeled as well and are available for use with attribution. Please contact us with any questions."
Here is my response to the specific discussion above:
I deeply resent the allegation that this is copyright fraud. I am an academic historian who has spent his entire life teaching, working as a journalist on substantive stories as much as possible, and producing for public television and non-profits. If I have made any errors, I am willing to admit them. My father was an artist, too who worked in obscurity, toiling away in poverty while other people made millions. Respecting creative work, valuing beauty, understanding the efforts of the creator -- these are all part of my life as is the importance of truth and integrity. I built my reputation as an investigative journalist on just those things and have always told my students to do no less.
Perhaps this page ought to be deleted but it does not represent what we thought we were doing when the template was created in the first place. Perhaps the entire idea was a mistake in the first place although I do not think the thousands of contacts -- many museums, the association of librarians, and others in the field of information sharing would agree. This is about bringing information into the light, not selling it but sharing it. With more resources perhaps there would be more options for doing so.
In direct response to the sugggestion of "fraud":
There is no "public domain" license in flickr that I can find. All the public domain images are clearly labeled as such. There is no indication of a Required credit or attribution. The descriptions (in most cases) say "suggested attribution." I receive no person gain as a direct result. In fact there are companies that sell these public domain images for a fee. What I am is an historian, journalist, and independent who works with what resources I have available to help others find information that they might not find otherwise. Is it fraudulent to have this disclosure in the public domain section: "The works in this collection may be used for free. According to the source, they are believed to be in the public domain. Please note, however, that while some photos are unrestricted, others may require attribution. The general rule: identify the photographer, physical location of the photo, and any other pertinent information regarding rights." Is it fraudulent to include the entire record for a photo as this example for a photo by Dorothea Lange: "Public Domain. Suggested credit: USDA via pingnews. Additional source information from USDA: Image Number: 00di0933 CD8151-933 Location: On Arizona Highway 87, south of Chandler, Maricopa Co., Arizona
Date: November 1940
A migratory family living in a trailor in an open field. No sanitation, no water. They came from Amarillo, Texas; pulled bolls near Amarillo; picked cotton near Roswell, New Mexico and in Arizona. They plan to return to Amarillo at close of cotton picking season for work on WPA.
USDA Photo by: Dorothea Lange"
PINGNews is actually trying to help photos see the light of day. I would be absolutely delighted if there were another way for me to use my expertise for the purpose of revealing these photos to others. You should note that the PINGNews service has been used by humanities institutions, scholars, public broadcasters, and has been recognized by some digital librarians as being a "museum". How can anyone be deceived by a clear label: "Public Domain" with all the information possible from the original source. Granted mistakes and omissions may be made but the vast majority of photos should have this information.
I welcome suggestions on how to make this planer. I could remove the "suggested attribution completely" but when I had no suggestion people cited me as the source, something that I have had to correct. Now at least they say "via pingnews" and any attributions are supposed to cite the photographer and agency where the photo came from.
May be you should delete this page. It was created because I was correcting photos that made pingnews as the source rather than the vehicle. Perhaps I should give up all attempts to offer this expertise free to people. This effort began in response to concerns that documentary filmakers were being cut off from a supply of photos, video, sound. I myself had to struggle to make documentaries for public television on a very low budget about such things as the Brown Decision. We were hamstrung by things like music rights and photo searches. Photo searches have been very expensive and while the situation is much improved with the expansion of Creative Commons, the wealth of material does not necessarily make it easier to find the quality.
Comments like this certainly lead me to question whether this effort is worth the time and expenditure of resources. I do not, however, care whether you delete this page or not.
I do hope that you understand the point of pingnews and not throw stones at people trying to do things as best as they can. If there is any better way to share these photos, please let us know.
Be well.
Kept. Finn Rindahl 22:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Edwin_Abbott_Abbott.jpg
Edwin Abbott Abbott was British, PD-US probably not applicable 62.216.198.20 16:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- While PD-US is probably not applicable, the photograph is still probably in the public domain. The subject of the photograph (Edwin A. Abbott) died in 1926 at the age of 87. He is considerably younger than that in the photograph so it is reasonable to assume it was taken before 1900. Since the copyright on artistic works (including photographs) expires after 50 years from the death of the artist, or if the artist is unknown, from the date of creation), it seems reasonable to assume the copyright for this photograph has expired in the United Kingdom. See Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48). Henryhartley 16:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. The link to CDPA 1988 is out of date, as the period was increased later to 70 years. There is at least a reasonable probability that the photographer (who may have been quite young at the time) died less than 70 years ago. MichaelMaggs 15:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Mlmenten.jpg
No proof that author died >70 years ago 62.216.198.20 13:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- According to her biography the vast part of her career was in the US. [33] It is possible this is a US work with no registered copyright. If it is a Canadian work (also possible from her history) it is also PD.
Keep as it is PD in either of the two countries it was likely made. -N 14:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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- The license tag should be changed accordingly if this is the case. --62.216.198.20 16:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep this picture. I had no idea that Menten was a woman, until I ran across this photo at another webpage. Then I researched and read more about her. We should keep this as an inspiration to female scientists.--128.138.64.132 23:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I say delete. The "source" has no photos in it, inspiration is irrelevant and we have no clue who the author is. We don't keep things because we think we can get away with it, instead we delete them if we're in doubt. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Antisemitism_in_Berlin_1933.jpg
David Shapinsky copyfraud, this is no US government work. It is credited as a NY Times file photo (possibly copyright not renewed though) -N 19:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Obviously the NYT note conflicts with the claim that it's a work for hire for the United States government. Delete until/unless there's confirmation that copyright wasn't renewed. Durova 20:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete- Changing to
neutralper the explanation below. I still have concerns because this photograph is dated eight years before the U.S. entry into the war. Are we sure this was covered by that purchase? Durova 08:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)- It from the NY Times Paris bureau, which presumably was there in 1933. The ECA purchased all of their files; the 63,000 is just the subset which apply to the war and thus of interest to WWII researchers but the purchase apparently had even more items than that. If it was taken by a NYTimes staff photographer, then yes it is covered. If it was a print of a third-party photo which the NYTimes bureau happened to have a copy of, then there may be an issue (of course Anonymous-EU may apply in that case too). Carl Lindberg 08:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- Good enough. Keep. Durova 07:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- It from the NY Times Paris bureau, which presumably was there in 1933. The ECA purchased all of their files; the 63,000 is just the subset which apply to the war and thus of interest to WWII researchers but the purchase apparently had even more items than that. If it was taken by a NYTimes staff photographer, then yes it is covered. If it was a print of a third-party photo which the NYTimes bureau happened to have a copy of, then there may be an issue (of course Anonymous-EU may apply in that case too). Carl Lindberg 08:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- Changing to
- Keep, According to this, The Economic Cooperation Administration, a predecessor of the U.S. Information Agency, in 1950 purchased the New York Times Paris Bureau photographic files; approximately 63,000 photographs in these files relate to the war., and NARA says this is unrestricted.
{{PD-USGov-NARA}} warns against using that template; is there a better template, or should we create one to cover these 63 thousand images. John Vandenberg 01:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)- If kept, use PD-author or create a new tag. The collection page says Prints stamped New York Times with the Paris address are in the public domain as are the glass negatives of original photographs. Copyright restrictions may apply to all other prints and copy negatives. They did mark this photo as OK, though I don't see the address (maybe it's just cropped). Carl Lindberg 07:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Republicanlogo_Pn.png
- Same with File:Republican Party Logo.PNG ()
- as well as File:Dem Donkey.svg ()
Re-creating a copyrighted logo using MS Paint cannot attract any new copyright as exact replicas do not have the required originality. RedCoat 22:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep-Naturally as creater of the image, I am opposed. We have Image:Republican Party Logo.PNG, on commons. Maybe I'm confused with copyright, how substantially different does an image have to be to break the copyright? -- penubag 08:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment It is known as the threshold of originality. Since a replica of a logo cannot attract any new copyright, reproductions of such items can be treated just like photographs of the artwork itself. RedCoat 11:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment Well, I suppose there's a lot more deleting to do then...
--> vios this,
--> this,
--> this, or these w:image:Ninty WiFi.gif, w:Image:Met Prime.gif, maybe this one: Image:Nuvola apps mozilla-firebird.png. Those aren't particularly good examples, and there's a ton more, but I won't bother. These all violate the threshold of originality, but wikimedia generally just accepts it, I assume. -- penubag 00:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete Obvious reproduction (derivative work). Its purpose to play the role of the real republican logo its obviously suggested by its name. --Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 00:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete ASAP. Derivative of a copyrighted work used mostly in a userbox template which is copyright infringement, as that is not a fair use case. -Nv8200p 22:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment I don't know... it's pretty far removed from the real logo. Remember Commons:Deletion requests/Archive/2007/08#Image:Own windows logo.svg? It's been Commons policy to allow images like this and the ones penubag listed above. I almost said delete because it doesn't make sense to use a fake logo when illustrating it - fair use of the real one is preferable, however, I can see these fake logos being used on user pages and in things like article stub templates. If the community feels they are too similar maybe more alteration can solve the issue? →Rocket°°° 06:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Delete Merely inputting a copyrighted image into image software and making a few changes to it is most likely not sufficient to acquire copyright for the creator of the new image. I would aruge that this is akin to those persons who think that because they scan an image from a magazine into their computer, perform some image processing to improve color tones, etc., that they have somehow, magically, acquired a form of copyright that permits their (exlusive) use of the image on their webpages. — SpikeToronto 05:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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Comment The above having been said, I cannot imagine either of the two major political parties ever objecting to a supporter using their logo on a webpage to illustrate that support! Thus, I could not imagine any litigation, let alone a cease-and-desist letter, ever being issued by either of the political parties arising from such use of their logos. — SpikeToronto 05:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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- The purpose of the image was just for userboxes, nothing more -- penubag 05:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, as you can tell from my
Comment, I actually wanted the image kept, but voted to delete because (a) it most likely is a copyright violation, and (b) the Democrat logos and the userboxes that link to them are under even greater attack for their removal. To me, fairness dictates that if use of one party's logo is a copyright violation, then so too is the use of the other party's logo. But, again, I could never imagine a political party objecting to the use of its logo by a supporter … — SpikeToronto 05:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Oh, sorry, I misread your
Comment -- penubag 06:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry, I misread your
Comment By the way, since it has been more than five days since this debate started and since the
Delete obviously outnumber the
Keep, shouldn’t this debate be (1) closed, and (2) the image deleted? — SpikeToronto 05:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Question: I notice that the creator of this free-licence image has the elephant’s trunk in an upward position, while the non-free fair-use image has the trunk in a downward position. Would that not be enough to distinguish the image under debate from the official logo? If so, then I would like to change my delete vote to a
Keep. — SpikeToronto 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Keep No good reason to delete. It is not a copyright violation, and it is in use at Wikipedia. Diligent Terrier 20:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- Any reasoning behind those assertions? And being in use does not mean it conforms to the Commons licensing policy. RedCoat 22:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Question: When was this logo first used? -- Bryan (talk to me) 15:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. These are clear and intentional copies of the original logos. The changes made (eg trunk in different position) are insufficient to escape infringement. MichaelMaggs 19:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Fuck_you!_(nude).jpg
I'm all for pics of nude women on Commons, but this one is unused and could use a better name -N 15:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep "Fuck you!" seems to be the title of the work, as used on Flickr. --Simonxag 16:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Gosh I'm sick of those deletion requests of nude pictures! Here's my triple POV:
- it's a work by Dutch artist Peter Klashorst so it could illustrate his work (and it doesn't matter what one personally thinks about him and his work). And if one says something like "we only need a few pictures for the WP article", I'd answer "so why don't we also delete most of the works available on Commons for artists like Renoir or anybody?" Also, Commons is not only made for WP.
- when I uploaded it, it was part of a will to correct the bias among the offer of nude pictures on Commons. Indeed most of them were White/Caucasian people. I tried to diversify the offer in order to show a better diversity of human reality by uploading Black and Asian nudes. (actually it's a work on progress, I may continue later, and also try to find male nudes)
- as for the title, I kept the original title (I suppose it may be logical for a work of an artist) and added "(nude)" as a description. I'd understand if one would like to re-upload it under another name though I'd prefer it to keep the original title - for instance I propose "Fuck you! (nude by artist Peter Klashorst)".
Thanks for your comprehension. --TwoWings (ID confirmed on my talk page) 86.67.47.199 17:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
CommentIf this is not a public photo on flickr (I can't view it, although I logged in) it have to be deleted. --GeorgHH • talk 20:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- If our Flickrreviewer bot could see it, it's obvious it was public at least at one time. And yes I can see it just fine when logged in. -N 23:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- I suspect your problem may be your Flickr content settings. Flickr defaults to showing only pictures classed as inoffensive, if you want to see e.g. nudes you have to change your preferences. Morven 04:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
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This is another Peter Klashorst image which is of a possibly underage model with no evidence of permission or proof of age. ++Lar: t/c 01:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- As with others, it is time to revisit this previous deletion debate. ++Lar: t/c 01:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- You know I nominated this last time, but I've changed my mind. Peter Klashorst is a genius plain and simple. And if he was doing shady business he would have been shut down.
Keep. -N 01:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- "Klashorst specializes in painting and photographing young women, particularly from the Netherlands and several African countries. He also has a wife and children in Africa.[1][2] In 2000, in primarily Muslim Senegal, his art caused him to end up in custody of the police for some weeks.[3][4][5][6]He was suspected of taking advantage of prostitution, inciting debauchery, and the production of obscene pictures, because he had painted local women in the nude. By bribing officials, he managed to buy his freedom,[7] and he sneaked into Gambia to flee the country.[8]On another visit in 2003 he was also deported from Gambia for pornographic paintings.[2]"[34]
- And Klashorst is not a genius, by any stretch of the imagination. My comments in the previous deletion requests hold true. Show me just one of his photos that wouldn't go down like the Hindenberg at FPC and I'll change my mind on that count. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 14:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep Why I get more and more the impression, that the muslims from Senegal and Gambia are already here? Mutter Erde (talk) 09:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- That comment does not make any sense. It also doesn't support a keep. Retaining this image is against policy. ++Lar: t/c 11:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- It does not make any sense. I am certainly not a Muslim, nor am I from Senegal. That there are people who would seek to delete these pictures for religious or cultural reasons, does not mean that unrelated arguments put forth by other people are invalid. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 14:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Delete Commons is not censored & I am happy about that. I think we should be looking for real confirmation of release by the model. In the absence of that deletion is the only option. I think for any such material where there may be questions there should be explicit OTRS permission at the very least --Herby talk thyme 12:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep We have no proof of age? That might be right, but when do we ever have a proof of age. I don't see many pictures were you find comments like "the model is ** years old". And even if she was underage: so what. This picture is no pornography, she is just being naked. We even have a Category for naked children. This is just as pornographic as a teenager at a nudist beach. Conclusion: even if we had proof that she was underage (which we don't have), this wouldn't be a reason for deletion! As long as it's not clearly pornographic, age is not an argument.--Lamilli (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Delete The concept of what is and what's not pornography varies from person to person, but given the work title, i don't think it can be argued the work has no pornographic connotations. Platonides (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Delete The publication without explicit consent of photographs of identifiable nudes in a private setting is particularly intrusive and damaging to the subject, and we should insist on proper OTRS permission in every such case. Here, there is also the very real possibility that she may be under age, but regardless of her age the photograph clearly has to go. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- Peter Klashorst is a prolific publisher of nude photos. How exactly is this equivalent to being photographed in a "private setting"? That's like being photographed by Hugh Hefner and expecting it not be in Playboy. -N 20:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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- We have no idea what he told these girls he was going to do with the images he took. Most of the photographs appear to have been taken in cheap hotel bedrooms and bathrooms. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 21:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- So...he's some kind of super seducer now? -N 21:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- We have no idea what he told these girls he was going to do with the images he took. Most of the photographs appear to have been taken in cheap hotel bedrooms and bathrooms. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 21:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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Keep These are images by a notable photographer, they don't appear to be pornographic (so age would not matter) and at this point we have no indication personality rights may have been violated. Honestly I don't like his work, but this is not about like or dislike.- Striking own vote. After thinking this over some more I believe there may indeed be some issues concerning personality rights. In doubt I no longer feel confident in voting either Keep or Delete at this time and feel a more in debt discussion might be in order.--Caranorn (talk) 11:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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- On the contrary, there is a very serious risk that the subject's personality rights have been breached by the publication of this image on the internet and by its release under a free licence. So far as I am aware the photographer has not once even asserted, let alone demonstrated, that he obtained a subject-release. If he can show he has such a release the image could be kept, but his silence when asked implies strongly that he does not. The burden of proof lies squarely with the photographer and the uploader to show that no rights have been violated. It is simply not good enough to say: (a) I cannot or will not prove that this subject gave consent, and (b) that because of (a) "we have no indication personality rights may have been violated". --MichaelMaggs (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Comment: From my point of view the whole issue is ridiculous. It's about prudish people trying to delete pictures depicting nudity. The question of the model being +18 or not would be of importance if we were talking about pornography. Indeed, we don't want any kiddy porn around here. But this picture is NOT pornographic, it's not ever quasi pornographic (some pictures of Klashorst might be considered pornographic, this one certainly not).--Lamilli (talk) 13:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Delete unless model release and age confirmation will obtained. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep again there's NO reason to believe she's underage (at least no more reason than any other nude picture on Commons). And there's no reason to think it's a private picture (therefore no need of consent). Private place doesn't mean private situation. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 15:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Delete Unfortunately, someone has decided to split the Klashorst deletion requests into several, separate deletion requests, which means the discussion has ended up all over the place. I think all the arguments in favour of deletion have been done to the death. Policy requires deletion. I will, however, copy-paste this refutation of every possible argument for keeping these (for all those reading this for the sixth time, sorry to spam every DR with the same crap, but that's pretty much what the keepers are doing, and doing this saves me time over refuting each argument individually). Enjoy the copypasta:
- Peter Klashorst is a prolific publisher of nude photos: So was R@ygold and the swirl face guy, and we're not about to start hosting their picture collection. That someone has a huge collection of such pictures on his Flickr account means nothing at all. This would only be valid in the case of, say, the Suicide Girls -- a business that we can count upon to get the requisite documentation before publishing (and as a side-note, hire photographers with talent, as well, something Klashorst should consider).
- Peter Klashorst is an artist: He's a painter, and possibly one that nobody would give a damn about if he hadn't got arrested for some rather unsavoury activity in Senegal some time ago. However good he is at painting, he is an amateur photographer. Or to put it less delicately, he's a not-quite-half-talented hack and it shows; even if he had an Uzi to his head I doubt that he'd be able to take a photo that wouldn't go down in flames at FPC like a skyscraper in New York (inb4 "so can you do better?" -- I don't have to be an expert on trains to tell you that a skateboard is not a train). He is certainly not an artistic or professional photographer. As such, we should apply the same standards to Klashorst as we would with anyone.
- His pictures are of posed artists: Bullshit. We know exactly where he finds the girls he photographs (it's not like his penchant for prostitutes is a secret, guys). And this is, again, made less likely by the fact that the kind of people that rent studio models can, at the least, take a half-decent picture if their life depended on it. So again, feel free to compare Klashorst's works to some of our Suicide Girls, for example: the difference between Klashorst and a professional studio photographer is roughly the difference between the paper airplane I just folded and a B-52 Stratofortress.
- These are not pornographic, so the age issue is irrelevant: An interesting position to take; try calling the party van and telling them that you have some nude pictures of under-age girls on your computer. Your end will be playing "mommies and daddies" in the prison showers with a fat, hairy fellow convict. Admit it: if these photos had any technical merit, they'd be soft-core porn. But we could even grant this premise and we'd still have the issue that there is no evidence that the models have given their consent for more-or-less unlimited publication of these pictures, so we don't even need to make this argument.
- Commons is not censored: Well, yes it is actually. We don't host child pornography on Commons, for example. We also don't host copyright violations. We are as uncensored as we can be within our legal (and moral) obligations. This is not an argument in itself; it is hand-waving to try and distract people from the real issues at hand.
- The related argument of This is a (possibly Senegalian Muslim) crusade to get rid of nudes from Commons: No, it's not. I am not a prude, nor do I really care to get rid of every nude from Commons. What I do care about is that we live up to our legal (and moral) obligations as codified in our policy on identifiable photographs of living people. Every one of these Klashorst photos fails our obligations on this count, and I'm damned if we should make an exception for Klashorst "becuz he's famous lol".
- Thank you for your time. Can we start deleting yet? Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 17:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- delete while there is a role on commons for nudes in general delete per Lewis Collard.Geni (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
DeleteThere have been many arguments presented here. All very good, but most are irrelevant none the less. Some have offered up the opinion that Klashorst is a notable artist, others that his models might be prostitutes. Some have wanted to consider whether these photos are pornographic, and some have asserted that those who wish to delete this photo are prudish and/or embrace censorship. Some, all, or none of these assertions may be true. Regardless of the validity of these points, these arguments are not justification for refusing to uphold our legal and ethical responsibilities, and our own policies.
And, here is where I’m going to cite our own policy: Because of the expectation of privacy, the consent of the subject should normally be sought before uploading any photograph featuring an identifiable individual that has been taken in a private place, whether or not the subject is named. Even in countries that have no law of privacy, there is a moral obligation on us not to upload photographs which infringe the subject's reasonable expectation of privacy. This photo (and the other Klashorst photos of identifiable people) simply does not conform to our requirement that if a photograph is taken in a private setting, we ‘must’ have model consent.
In addition, because of the nature of the photo, we must also be certain that the author of the work has indeed verified the model’s age and found them to be at least 18 years age. I am not confident Mr Klashorst has done so. Should anyone feel so strongly about keeping these photos, please contact him to have him forward the appropriate documentation. In the absence of such, we must delete this photo, and the other Klashorst photos that have been brought forth for deletion. On a personal note, I’d like to compel the community to consider the following - would you vote ‘keep’, or want the rest of us to vote ‘keep’, if this were your daughter’s photo or your niece’s photo posted here under the same circumstances? How would we justify that? We couldn’t, thank goodness. Just as we can’t justify keeping this photo. Brynn(talk) 03:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- I believe that Bryan has already contacted Peter Klashorst seeking permissions, clarifications, model releases, and suchlike and has received no response. Mr. Klashorst is after all under no obligation to respond, since these pictures were harvested from Flickr, but if he does not respond, policy is clear, we are under no obligation to host them, and in fact we are under obligation to NOT host them. I'm sorry for nominating only a few at a time, I was trying to leave some of them in place but I see now that the thing to do is to nominate the entire body of his work, and offering to exempt any image for which the proper documentation is in place. If there are any such. ++Lar: t/c 05:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep No need to create a Lex Peter Klashorst for a professional photographer. Btw.: I have proposed one of his "possibly underaged" :-) pics here. Mutter Erde (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Your keep has been struck. You already commented Keep, above. Don't do that again, it's disruptive. I'd further suggest that you actually read the VP thread you reference, especially my last comment. This isn't going to come down to a vote, it's going to come down to an application of policy. This photo is in violation of multiple policies and unless the violations are corrected by supplying adequate documentation, or unless someone can provide a compelling reason why it's not a violation, or why policy doesn't apply, it will be deleted. No one commenting Keep has done that. Handwaving about artists and "I like it" doesn't cut it. It is time that this gets internalised, this issue has gone on far too long. Your comments, in particular, are singularly unhelpful. ++Lar: t/c 11:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep for Klashort's images but possible delete for this one. Klashorst is a recognized artist (his being persecuted by governments of the religious right for "pornographic paintings" does not change this) who deals mainly with the female nude. His subjects are models posing for an artist not private people in private settings. On the other hand pedo hysteria is in full flow and the Netherlands (where the artist comes from) has a very low age of consent. We should be wary of nude images wher the model might be underage. Most importantly STOP LIBELING THE MODELS!!!!. In western societies an artist's model is a most respectable profession (even for those who slept with randy Mr. Picasso), but prostitution is not. I am appalled by Wiki admins claiming to be protecting these women's moral rights and then smearing them without a shred of evidence. If you want to claim that any particular person is a prostitute prove it: that is exactly what you may have to do in court! --Simonxag (talk) 10:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Eyða, per Lars comment on Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Young black nude-2.jpg, no permission of the model, delete, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| ∇ 18:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Delete, No model permission, no model release, no evidence of age of majority, no real usefulness for image. Bastique demandez 18:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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(I doubt it's PD-inelegible) --Snowdog 16:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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Keep Not very original. -N 16:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete Blatant copyvio. Album cover artwork see [38]. --Simonxag 16:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm the author of the image. I hosted it because it's just a square, a rectangle and a circle. but if you think it's a copyvio, i won't oppose. --Cuarto 16:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment And the White Album? --Il palazzo 17:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete. Original enough to be a recognizable design, so it is copyvio. Geraki TLG 09:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Delete. agreed with the above. Bon Zeenie 13:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. Eligible for copyright and copyrighted / Trixt 23:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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Seems not to be « own work » as sourced Daiima 10:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete I am not going to try to figure out what the French copyright laws say about this image, instead vote per (my) common sense. It makes more sense to me to reproduce the table via wiki-markup and cite the source than to keep an image of it. Not unlike using the {{SVG}} template for images which are more informative and more portable in that format. -- carol 02:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. Not own work as claimed. MichaelMaggs 15:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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I kind of doubt this is PD-ineligible. The previous content of this page demanded attribution to some software -N 16:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Kept. after reversion back to original licence. Not copyright-ineligableMichaelMaggs 15:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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Taken in a private place, no permission by the person, so against Commons:Photographs of identifiable people. --GeorgHH • talk 20:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC) GeorgHH • talk 20:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete per nom --Simonxag 21:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep the person appears to being consenting to being photographed just fine. -N 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Yes, in a private setting. Did they consent to publication? --Simonxag 01:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
per nom; no reason to believe this person consented to publication. Indoor setting requires explicit consent. Durova 07:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete
Keep there's no reason to believe that she did not consent.--Lamilli 16:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we have enough pictures of pierced nipples and other body parts now. Th encyclopedic value of further uploads of this nature is nil. MartinD 10:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep It's not our work to decide if people agreed their pictures to be uploaded on Flickr. --TwoWings (ID confirmed on my talk page) 86.67.47.199 09:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Sufficiently illustrative, and could potentially be useful. MichaelMaggs 15:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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Seems not to be « own work » as sourced Daiima 10:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete I am not going to try to figure out what the French copyright laws say about this image, instead vote per (my) common sense. It makes more sense to me to reproduce the table via wiki-markup and cite the source than to keep an image of it. -- carol 02:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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Copyvio (the pictures on the screens) --Flominator 18:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Just "Beiwerk", main focus is the stage and not the screens --88.117.83.95 10:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted per Geraki. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 03:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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like Image:Moustique FFL.gif Jacques Ghémard 23:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep file doesnt exist. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Used in a few locations. License may be incorrect - but so far not proven ShakataGaNai Talk 06:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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as Image:Moustique FFL.gif Jacques Ghémard 23:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep file doesnt exist. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Used in a few locations. License may be incorrect - but so far not proven ShakataGaNai Talk 06:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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as Image:Moustique FFL.gif Jacques Ghémard 23:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep file doesnt exist. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Used in a few locations. License may be incorrect - but so far not proven ShakataGaNai Talk 06:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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Taken in a private place, no permission by the person, so against Commons:Photographs of identifiable people. --GeorgHH • talk 20:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC) GeorgHH • talk 20:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep it is clear looking at the flickr photostream that the uploader is one of the people in the photo. Therefore the people in the photo consented to the license. -N 20:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete No, it's no indication that the girl knows and accept the publication. Also, the file description on commons must be so clear as possible that we know who the photographer is and who the model at the photo, so we can verify if a permission is needed or not. Btw: we're not private investigators and haven't to review a lot of images on flickr to appraise which person is the photographer or which is the model. --GeorgHH • talk 21:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
As above. However, I disagree about checking other pictures by Flickr user as it often reveals copyvios. Many Flickr users know little of copyrights or personality rights. Uploader beware. --Simonxag 21:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete
- Hmm, apparently the uploader runs a body piercing studio[40]. His subjects do not seem to object to being filmed, although there is no model release, this is true. I totally disagree you cannot tell if someone's photos are their own in some cases. I do not believe someone would have this many candid private shots and not have at least some connection with the photographer. -N 23:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- Not objecting to a picture is different to not objecting to publication. --Simonxag 01:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete as not useful. Lewis Collard! (talk, contribs, en.wp) 05:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)Specific release is necessary under these conditions. Durova 07:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete- Should be solved now.--Lamilli 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep We don't even see their face correctly! And it's not our work to determine if people agreed their pictures to be uploaded on Flickr! --TwoWings (ID confirmed on my talk page) 86.67.47.199 09:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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faked--photo is obviously manipulated 64.40.61.50 08:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. Participants not identifiable, but this is an obviously manipulated image of no conceviable use. MichaelMaggs 15:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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Consenus is that this is a poor version of the Italian flag. It fits the criteria of "Files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject". The image is used nowhere in any of the wikisisters projects and is often a source for edit wars. Udonknome (talk) 03:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Delete Repeated deletion requests should be strongly discouraged, particularly where nothing has changed since the last one. However, in this case, since the last DR Commons' Scope has been clarified, and we now have to consider whether - as alleged - this falls within the ambit of "Files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject". The file is unused except for a couple of pages which discuss it. As we already have a perfectly good representation of the Italian flag, I would say that this one is indeed not educationally distinct unless anyone is able to point to some possible use for this particular image that could not be satisfied by the other. If a distinct use can be proposed I would be happy to change my mind, but at the moment I think the file should go. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 05:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Delete Fake flag. -Nard the Bard 12:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Keep No new arguments against or for. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Keep The question is whether this still falls within COM:SCOPE the quoted section - Files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject to my reading this is about new/recent image uploads, rather than existing images. Scope doesnt clearly cover what/how we deal with images uploaded in good faith but that appear to deteriate as technology advances provide high quality. This image is part of the collection of images we already hold its not a new or recently uploaded image. This isnt nomination isnt any different to previous nominations, its attracting the same responses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnangarra (talk • contribs)
No new arguments either way, so previous verdict stands. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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questionable GFDL license -N 03:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, GFDL is not correct. Many users think that doing the work of capturing a screen grab, creating the file, and uploading means they own at least part of the copyright, which is probably where a lot of this comes from. However, I think that is PD-ineligible, since it is just letters and one simple geometric shape, and {{trademarked}} [54], so
Keep. Carl Lindberg 07:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep with {{PD-ineligible}} and {{trademarked}}, as it is text in a general typeface (albeit italic) and a simple triangle. --rimshottalk 13:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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- No, there are limits... there is a minimum threshold of originality required for copyright. This is a U.S. logo, and to me it does not reach the U.S. standard (or even come all that close, either). Typefaces are not copyrightable (neither general nor custom), nor are common shapes like a triangle. See {{PD-textlogo}} and {{PD-shape}}. A simple combination of those elements does not qualify either.[55] Carl Lindberg 15:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Deleted as copyrighted logo - Badseed talk 23:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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no freefom of Panorama in the USA COM:FOP#USA must be fair use or have permission from creator MECU≈talk 20:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Image of Jesus on the cross is itself derivative of thousands of years of artwork. Nothing new or copyrightable about it. -N 05:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. The concept is old, but this appears to be a recent realization by a modern sculpter MichaelMaggs 15:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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no freefom of Panorama in the USA COM:FOP#USA must be fair use or have permission from creator MECU≈talk 20:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Image appears to have been dedicated to the public domain (see [56], the author waived his fee for this sculpture and donated it to the city of Detroit) and it doesn't appear to have been registered for copyright before 1978. -N 05:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep Agree to keep. Donated work. Also public monuments which are owned by the public are in the public domain. They are owned by the taxpayers. The interpretation of copyright laws put forward goes beyond the legislative intent. Cases involve situtations where the copyright is registered, where the creator retained ownership, and where there is an intent to make a profit without permission from the holder of the copyright. In the Arturo Di Modica case, the issue is whether an artist who retained ownership and registered the copyright of the work can assert the copyright where it involves 'substantial revenue' and it was copied with intention to make a profit without permission. Art Monthy states the public sculptures like the one discussed here may be photographed, filmed, or drawn with the knowledge of the sculptor. "Sculptures situated in public places can easily be photographed, filmed, or drawn without the knowledge of the sculptor, and such two-dimensional reproductions might equally easily be merchandised commercially. See Art Monthly (11-1-2006) for an explaination of the issues. 12.110.179.187 17:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry but you need to read the rest of that article. It actually says yes you could make a picture easily, but not legally. I have reverted your edits to COM:FOP as well. -N 21:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
You are incorrect, the article states "Sculptures situated in public places can easily be photographed, filmed, or drawn without the knowledge of the sculptor, and such two-dimensional reproductions might equally easily be merchandised commercially. Further, Art Monthy states, "What rights, if any, do sculptors have over their publicly sited works? A recent lawsuit by a sculptor of an outdoor artwork illustrates some key issues." See Art Monthly (11-1-2006) for an explanation of the issues. the author asks, 'what rights if any' do sculptors have? Where the copyright holder has retained the copyright permission appears to be needed. It obviously doesn't apply where the copyright holder has released the work to the public domain and not retained the copyright. In the Arturo Di Modica case, he retained the copyright. And even in that case, he asserted 'substantial loss' revenue against Wallmart. Nevertheless, the photo being discussed here would not violate any copyright laws, its photographed and published on a regular basis, its a donated work and its part of a public building.12.110.179.187 22:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- "The artist may well succeed. Under US copyright law only works of architecture--not outdoor sculptures--that are 'ordinarily visible from a public place' can be reproduced in two dimensions without the permission of the copyright owner." Get some reading comprehension. -N 02:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
The point you seemed to have missed is that he retained ownership of the copyright, he didn't sell the work or give it up and 'substantial revenue' was at issue. Of course, in this particular instance the artist probably will succeed, the artist registered his copyright in that case and owned the work. Even with those precautions his copyright was at risk of being forfeited. The US copyright law says nothing precluding outdoor sculpture in the public domain from reproductions in two diminsions, and especially where no loss of revenue is at issue. Public art is in the public domain unless the artists retain ownership of the copyright, and especially where no profit is at issue. Section 504(b) of the US copyright law requires the copyright owner to present proof of the infringers profits. This burden shifting provision was recently applied by the Fourth Circuit IN RE Phoenix Renovation v Rodriguez, (Dec. 2007) [57]. Nevertheless, the photo discussed here doesn't violate any copyright laws, its photographed regularly and its image is displayed regularly and it was a donated work. 12.110.179.187 20:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- There's no need to "register" a copyright. Furthermore, note that Henry Lydiate is a UK lawyer; he writes from a UK perspective. The full article is available at the artlaw site here. The HighBeam link above only shows the introductory paragraph. Unfortunately, photos of copyrighted sculptures are derivative works, and U.S. copyright law does not have an exemption for public art. The "no loss of revenue" argument above is shaky: unless the artist explicitly transferred his copyrights or declared the sculpture to be henceforth free of his copyrights, he still owns those copyrights and is thus entitled to royalties from e.g. postcard sales. The "burden shifting" argument is irrelevant. We're not a repository of images we can get away with hosting; we're a repository of free images.
Delete Lupo 19:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. per Lupo. MichaelMaggs 16:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Ford circles.gif
miniature fails, and there are better versions --Frédéric 20:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Too bad that the SVG version looks corrupted. The problem is in the text. I have made a color version without text. Frédéric 20:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete file corrupted --Vriullop 20:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. Broken and unused image Badseed talk 10:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] User:SS95
GFDL violation. This page is copy and paste from My page. --Monaneko 04:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete. Kubek15 11:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Keep I'm sorry - but how is copy and pasting someones userpage a GFDL violation? --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. ShakataGaNai Talk 06:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Spaceship and the Sun.jpg
Exact copy of Image:Scifi ico.jpg. Seems that a bot transferred it from the English Wikipedia where it had been uploaded due to high usage which is no longer an issue, whilst I was trying to nominate it for speedy deletion. --GW Simulations 14:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- I just checked the usage of both images and the software is only searching 60% of the wiki right now so I will do this again later. Image:Spaceship and the Sun.jpg is reported to be used on 3 pages on 2 wiki (other than commons) and Image:Scifi ico.jpg is reported to be used on one page on one wiki. Until the software catches up and can once again search all of the wiki, my question is which is the better name for the image? -- carol 02:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- Image:Scifi ico.jpg was the original name, contains a good file history, and has the correct licence information. None of these apply to Image:Spaceship and the Sun.jpg. --GW Simulations 17:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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- An admin or someone who understands da (Danish?) and how the weird wiki images are displayed will need to change the name of the image where it is being used on. Then it can get the {{badname|Image:Scifi ico.jpg}} tag which is preferably applied by the original uploader -- who in this case is an upload bot. I did everything I can -- and a little extra because I had a good old fashioned United States languaged chuckle over the danish word Rumfart for what looks to be space travel. Heh. (my mom did not like us to use that word for gas....) -- carol 04:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep "copy" no longer exists. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. ShakataGaNai Talk 06:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Dampfschiff_Die_Weser_(1817)_Plan.jpg
I, the creator of this illustration, uploaded a new version of the image with some corrections. Gepardenforellenfischer 16:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete A new version of the illustration is available, which not only superseeds the old one in quality, but also includes some corrections. --Gepardenforellenfischer 11:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep as SVG would supersede JPG. Small war in there. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. ShakataGaNai Talk 06:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Dampfschiff_Die_Weser_(1817)_Ansicht.jpg
I, the creator of this illustration, uploaded a new version of the image with some corrections. Gepardenforellenfischer 16:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete A new version of the illustration is available, which not only superseeds the old one in quality, but also includes some corrections. --Gepardenforellenfischer 11:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep as SVG would supersede JPG. Small war in there. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept. ShakataGaNai Talk 06:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Bao_Dai_1953.jpg
This appears to be a scan of an old banknote. According to {{PD-Vietnam}} non-photographic works enter PD 50 years after the death of the author. Or I suppose it could be treated as an anonymous work since the governent did it. Thoughts? -N 17:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- Safely assume the government did it, just like stamps. Gryffindor 20:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Delete It is currently, it is probably copyright. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep Cropped out non photographic elements -- Bryan (talk to me) 18:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Kept per Bryan. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
