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Archive February 2008

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[edit] February 1

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[edit] Image:ILMap-doton-Belvidere.PNG

unnecessary, no longer needed PreciousRoi 22:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can see theres no need for any of the ILMap-doton-*.PNG files anymore, someone with more experience/knowhow than me could do a mass RfD on them. PreciousRoi 22:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


Kept. No valid reason given. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 01:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Aaaa.jpg

image is posted also in this forum: http://razonyfuerza.mforos.com/549911/2756079-infanteria-de-marina-armada-de-chile/, I dont believe, that it is self-made, probably a copyright violation Martin H. (talk) 22:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

+Image Image:Desembarco 888.jpg, same low resolution, very probably not own wor of the uploader. --Martin H. (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Copyvio. Yann (talk) 12:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Jimbo_mtg_card.jpg

Card design is copyrighted to Wizards of the Coast, Inc. This image must not be under GFDL and is against the Commons License Policy, see COM:DW Zirland 19:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral Maybe it would be enough to delete the blue mana symbol which is surely copyrighted. I am not sure whether the card design itself is protected by law. --Egg 19:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
    I got some new information. Copyrighted properties include: Mana symbols, tap symbol (not used here), fonts, card border design, card images (Jimbo's photo is of course free). It seems impossible to make any minor edits to the image such that the copyright wouldn't be violated. What a pity... Even if the userpages were treated as fan websites, the permission is not generally granted, see [5]. --Egg 20:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've uploaded a replacement image for Wikiproject and the like usage in the public domain at Image:Magic the gathering pentagon.png; nobody owns the rights to a colorful pentagon. This image will scale better anyway than the old one, whose text was illegible often. SnowFire 22:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • If Jimbo, the creator of wikimedia, has it on his userpage, it's ok. --123Pie 15:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
    Does he? Where? I can't find it... --KingFanel 06:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: the image is used in a "featured book" on Italian-language Wikibooks, it:b:Magic. The text in the book explicitly refers to that picture to describe a card, I wonder if there is a good replacement without copyright problems... --KingFanel 06:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - per COM:DW – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 01:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted as derivative work. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 16:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Escudoes.jpg

No info supporting that the image is PD-old. The image source is [6] where it is stated that the CoA was addopted in 1912 but it says notihing about who drew this version of the image and when it was drawn. Lokal_Profil 17:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


Deleting per nom. There's an SVG anyway, so no big deal. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:The_Ci-Xi_Imperial_Dowager_Empress_(9).PNG

reduntant image Highshines 19:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Redundant to.... ? Megapixie 23:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Symbol keep vote.svg KeepThe nomination doesn't even say which image it is redundant to, and this image is still in use. Jackaranga 06:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


Kept. If you believe the image you uploaded is a copyright violation as you have stated with other images, please feel free to state your case in another deletion request, but please explain why it is a copyright violation. Patstuart (talk) 20:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:The_Ci-Xi_Imperial_Dowager_Empress_(9).PNG

no source info. copyrighted image 142.103.203.137 16:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

image description page (with source!) restored. If the picture is copyrighted otherwise and PD-China is not applicable, please state why. --Svencb 17:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg Delete I have restored the page again. However the person blanking it this time is the uploader. I suggest we take the license as invalid. --Simonxag 14:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


Deleted. per Simonxag abf /talk to me/ 19:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Kyoto_geisha.jpg

I uploaded this picture again erroneously. It was already uploades here in better quality [9] Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 01:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Deleted as requested. Nice shirt, btw. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:US-NIH-ClinicalCenter-Logo.png

I accidentally uploaded this instead of its corresponding SVG version, which has now been uploaded here. This PNG was generated from that SVG, so it is easy to recreate. I don't think it is used in an article. Not sure this qualifies for badname, but I think PNGs generated from SVGs are often deleted (as opposed to source PNGs). Carl Lindberg 08:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per nom. Durova 12:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 06:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:20070128 Lipa 001.jpg

my image, duplicate --Ante Perkovic 11:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per nom, speedyable. Durova 12:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. ChristianBier 13:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Jodie_Foster_Academy2_Awards_Vignette_bis.jpg

Doubt claim of own work... See also all other contributions of User:Marie1981. Megapixie 13:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Deleted this and all of the uploader's uploads. All copyfraud. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 18:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:144700728_61ff513d29.jpg

Probably copyvio on Flickr. Small size. Lacks EXIF. Looks like official portrait. EugeneZelenko 16:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per nom. Durova 01:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 06:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:BK_117_Rescue.jpg

Old Stock.xchng image (uploaded March 2005) without permission. See Commons:Stock.xchng images. GeorgHHtalk   21:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Deleted by Stahlkocher (talk contribs). --Boricuæddie 21:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] All files by User:Jorju

All photos of Jorju (talk contribs) are suspected copyvios: All without source information, all have the same date 27 de julio, but some are from the 30's to 50's (Image:Olimpicos36.jpg) and some are newer (Image:Jair Iglesias.jpg). Most images are of small size and low quality. --GeorgHHtalk   15:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg Delete Most look like they are scans from a paper etc. Copyvio. -- Deadstar (msg) 16:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Image:Campolo.jpg; Image:Omar Alberto Zegarra Tejada.gif; Image:Jair Iglesias.jpg; Image:Segundo titina castillo.JPG; Image:Sbacachi.jpg; Image:Sportboys51.jpg; Image:Ascenso.jpg; Image:Prisco Alcalde y 'Titina' Castillo en Berlín.jpg; Image:Acta fundacion.jpg; Image:Camiseta Sport Boys.jpg; Image:Valeriano Cachito.jpg; Image:Juvrosa.jpg (only a list to make the gadged working) abf /talk to me/ 18:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. abf /talk to me/ 18:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Anus.jpg

I think it's a copyvio. The uploader says 2005 in the date and the metadata says "copyright 2004". (also cropped version here --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 16:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Symbol keep vote.svg Keep complex situation but the metadata also says the creation date was 27-5-2005, just 3 days before the given date. If understand the Adobe tutorial, xapRights:Copyrighted (incredibly) means This work is licensed to the public under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/.
работа means work, so I suposse that the source reads "own work" -- Fernando Estel ☆ · 星 (Talk: here- es- en) 22:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I know it's written "own work" but that doesn't mean it's right! And the mention "copyright 2004" in the metadata made ma think there was a problem. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 07:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Symbol keep vote.svg KeepI understand Dennis. I took some shots theses day and didn't configurate the camera for this and the photos dated to 2004. These things may happen, only lacking of attention.
Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 01:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Symbol keep vote.svg Keep'Keep' Valid photo, clear picture, self made.75.118.140.159 06:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Once again, someone makes an accusation of copyvio but provides no meaningful evidence in support. This seems to happen a lot with pictures of nudity.86.145.1.63 11:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

1) I clearly stated the reason of this DR; 2) this DR is now closed so your "vote" is useless; 3) I am part of these people who clearly support nude pictures (see my history) --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 12:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Просто в настройках фотоаппарата неправильно установлена была дата. Тот факт что фотоаппарат принадлежит мне и следовательно работа моя, можно убедится просмотрев мою галерею. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Dennis_Myts
    (In adjustments of the camera date has been incorrectly established. That fact that the camera belongs to me and therefore work washing, it is possible will be convinced having seen my gallery.)--Dennis Myts 09:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Anus.jpg

this is a porn picture 87.201.184.217 21:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Сто раз уже обсуждалось. --Dennis Myts (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Closed/Kept Never relisted (or it may have been mistakenly archived before closure). Rocket000 (talk) 23:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Anus.jpg

porn 87.177.248.194 10:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


Closed/Kept Never relisted (or it may have been mistakenly archived before closure). Rocket000 (talk) 23:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] image:1944 Kaunas.jpg

Unclear copyright status. Source do not provide any specific details about this picture, nor specific date then it was taken, nor author, nor its publishing date. All this info is needed in order to release this image in PD under current license tag. I also would like to note that the 'source' or more exactly blog type 'soure' is Marxist portal 'Left', which fails to meet any reliability criteria. Particularly this became evident by reading its introduction, there media is labeled as apologue army of capitalism , army of political prostitutes , main purpose of this 'portal' is to deny current bourgeoisie’s ideology, which foundation is so called 'democracy' present 'real' history and similar hatred statements.--MX3 11:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment This image is made on Lithuania territory, so probably Lithuanian copyrights law shoul be applied (70 years after author death). --EugeneZelenko 15:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I am hardly understand why Lithuanian copyrights law should be applied. Tag suggests that it belongs to Soviet government.
  • Delete. Whether we use Lithuanian or Russian copyright law, we can't be sure of the copyright status because we don't know who the author was. Calliopejen 02:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep, the political associations of this website is no reason to delete the image. The date is obvious and given, while the copyright status if not given (I don't know, I cannot read Lithuanian) probably implies that it was taken by a Red Army official. Bogdan K 19:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
    • And nobody asking to delete it because of ‘political associations’. May I ask you there did you found “obvious and given” date of picture? I will answer - there is no date then this pic was taken, nor the author is given or even mentioned and no again, nothing implies that image was made by Red Army official, nor that the picture was published before January 1, 1954, nor that author died before that date. Therefore there is absolutely no vital information to determine copyright statues of this image under this tag. Speculations are not the facts.
      • The date of when the Red Army entered Kaunas is obvious, and given [by the person who uploaded the image]. This is just another instance of copyright paranoia. Bogdan K 16:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
        • How the date is given? Even the original "source" dont give any on the picture [15]. So what do you know about author/s of this pic and his/her death. As this info is needed for current tag.
  • Delete. per provided info and presented concerns, MX3 16:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. Kelly 23:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per provided nomination and especially dubious copyright status. Scanning books or newspapers does not make photography one's own. --Lokyz 12:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete, no proper source. — Albert Krantz 21:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC).

Deleted. No source makes much of this discussion irrelevant. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 01:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Bandera_de_Morelia.png

Eligable for copyright. Possibly PD for other non stated reasons though. Lokal_Profil 14:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The creation of the flag occurred in 1541, but I do not believe the author gave permission for this image to be on. I know the image maker, so I can ask him. Original source is http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/m/mx-mrl_o.gif. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 07:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Any update on the situation? Otherwise Symbol delete vote.svg Delete or retagg with {{FOTW}} ./Lokal_Profil 10:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Delete, because the tag you mentioned is depreciated. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 22:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 01:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Shakespeare.jpg

Oh dear. This may be a famous portrait, but unfortunately the original is held by the National gallery in the UK, and under UK law the PD-Art tag cannot be used: see Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag for details. It seems the image was first uploaded to the English Wikipedia, where it is probably OK since that site applies US law exclusively. However, on Commons the image has to be free not only in the US but also in the home country as well, and this is not free under UK law. See also Commons:Licensing#Interaction of United States copyright law and foreign copyright law. A pity, but this one will have to go.

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - MichaelMaggs 21:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep - Until there is UK case law on this issue, there is no reason to guess what they may decide. This is a closeup inframe, which limits the photographer's selections. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Where does this reproduction come from? Where was this reproduction first published? If not in the UK, we may happily ignore UK law. Lupo 09:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure, but the photograph of the original was surely taken in the UK. --MichaelMaggs 18:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
In any case it looks identical to the version at the largest zoom at the NPG :-( (The full picture could be obtained by downloading the 120 tiles from Tile 4-0-0 to Tile 4-9-11 (4 is the zoom level, second number a column index, third number a row index) and stitching them together.) Lupo 19:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete seems it was mistaken to upload this. Majorly (talk) 20:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Does anyone know where the earlier versions came from? Maybe we can keep at least those... Lupo 23:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the works of Shakespeare should be in the public domain. Therefore, don't delete.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.143.243 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


Deleting per nom. Bye bye en FP - bwahahaha! -mattbuck (Talk) 00:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Anglo-Saxons (Shepherd's) britain settlement 600 1923.jpg

And/or

[edit] Image:Angles, Saxons, Jutes in Britain year 600.jpg

OR

[edit] Image:Britain settlement 600.jpg

Uploader requesting deletion, soon after (not used), My Bad! Duplicate, the first (to keep) found only after adding another category: Category:Anglo-Saxons will show both in top rows. --FrankB 23:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

See also

(1) Image:Britain settlement 600.jpg,page is used by gallery and atlas, etc.
and the third:
(2) Image:Angles, Saxons, Jutes in Britain year 600.jpg...
For what it's worth, I like my title better, and it retains Shephards' Atlas' name within and mentions Shephard. This latter one seems under utilized too, and just links back to itself and a user page about duplicates. The language in the three ought be "Merged", and the best title kept. // FrankB 00:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Fabartus, it's unneeded to request for deletion. Two of these three images must be speey deleted per COM:CSD. They're dupes images. You can use {{dupe|Better name image}} to add them to the dupes log. Their likes can be replaced easily using CommonsDelinker (An admin will do that before deleting). Thanks!--OsamaK 06:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks like this was taken care of. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 02:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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Redundant, duplicates of Texas FM <number>.svg. There is no reason to keep these files around. --Rschen7754 05:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete, no longer needed. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 06:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep No deletion of superseded files. --GeorgHHtalk   10:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Why? --Holderca1 14:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Just the way things are done. See COM:DEL/Superseded. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 02:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
        • "Just the way things are done" doesn't cut it with me. I'll be completely honest, it seems stupid to have two files that are identical in every way but format. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
          • "It seems stupid" doesn't cut it with me, so there, discussion over. Seriously though, if you have a problem with this policy then go change the policy; otherwise, give a compelling reason to disregard it in this case that wouldn't apply to every single other superseded image. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 18:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
            • It is stupid to keep images that will never be used again. Furthermore, that is not a policy that you have been citing. Even if it is, it is a stupid policy that is a bunch of bureaucratic crap. --Rschen7754 01:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
              • It is a policy (all our superseded tags reflect that). If you want to change the policy, go argue for a change in policy in an appropriate venue (though you will have to have better arguments than "that is a bunch of bureaucratic crap" if you want to be taken seriously). Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
            • Nah, I have better ways to waste my time; I don't feel a pressing need to argue with policy wonks on a site that embraces useless images and redundant categories. If it wasn't easier to categorize files here, I'd upload them to Wikipedia instead. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 01:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
              • Okay. So nah, I have better ways to waste my time; I don't feel a pressing need to argue with argumentative en.wikipedians that stop by the Commons every now and then, who completely disregard the fact that Commons has its own rules and traditions forged by a ton of discussion and consensus and which are not, therefore, to be taken lightly. In short, no u. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
        • But they are not used, nor will they be used. If they are seen used in an article, they are replaced on site with the svg version. So the only thing accomplished by having them around is to make our work as editors more difficult. --Holderca1 16:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
          • See comments above, they're pertinent here. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 18:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
            • Give me one good reason why these images should be kept besides "my mommy told me so." --Rschen7754 01:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
              • That's a perfectly valid argument; maybe if you had listened to your mother you wouldn't be quite so rude to others. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
            • SERIOUSLY - why keep all these images? We're trying to make the highest quality lowest resolution files here - keeping these obsolete images just introduces problems when people use them. Give us a reason and Don't point us to a commons page saying deletion of superceded images is not allowed! master sonT - C 01:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
              • SERIOUSLY, don't point you to a policy page that has wide community support because the opinion of you and a couple of other people from WikiProject U.S. roads overrides all that. Whatever. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 03:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete, no longer used or needed. --Holderca1 14:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral No real problem IMO. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 16:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per nom. Lpangelrob 17:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete Inferior and redundant. —Scott5114 [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 18:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Superseded images are not deleted. Tag them instead. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 02:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
    • And what good does tagging do? The redundant set still exists then, and having two sets of shields around for the same thing can easily confuse editors. Just because a tag says "use the SVG instead" doesn't mean they will. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Why? To blindly follow a process? Use common sense please. --Rschen7754 03:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Yeah, pretty much: that's just the way things are done, after much discussion of this matter. (I'm really, really amazed that so many people have turned up here to vote; I wonder why so many people care.) Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 18:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per nom. Imzadi1979 03:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete per nom master sonT - C 04:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete duplicate pngs make me cry IRL Stratosphere 04:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep per policy – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 04:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Please give a valid reason. --Rschen7754 23:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep per policy. Commons is not intended to be solely a repository for Wikimedia content, but a repository of free media. Links from outside, non-Wikimedia sites would be broken if these images are deleted. See Commons talk:Deletion guidelines#Superseded clause. Titoxd(?!?) 06:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Thank you for giving an intelligent reason for the keep vote. I disagree with this because the benefit to the rest of the internet would not surpass the disadvantage to Wikimedia sites. --Rschen7754 06:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I am still unclear on this. The deletion policy states that superseded images are deleted on a case-by-case basis. If this isn't a good case, what would be? --Holderca1 14:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Can't we delete and then redirect to the SVGs if that's an issue? --NE2 01:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep and let people choose which format they want to use. SVG and PNG are not identical, and don't have the same level of support. --Itub 08:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
    • MediaWiki creates PNGs from the SVGs, so I don't understand this argument. --NE2 20:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I have started a discussion to change the policy Commons_talk:Deletion_requests/Superseded#This_policy_is_ridiculous here. --Rschen7754 01:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Kept. Per COM:DEL/Superseded. As no deletion argument has stated why this policy should be overlooked in this case. giggy (:O) 23:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:SanchezWithCoulter-w.jpg

Summary states Chris Kulawik, photographer. Copyright owned by Matthew Sanchez Considering the history of User:Bluemarine claiming copyright to images he does not own nor photos he took, this statement per himself makes this image unacceptable on Commons without proof. ALLSTAR echo 03:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Each image is different. This deletion is being requested based on suspicion alone, when it is possible to contact the uploader, and/or the named photographer, to seek clarification. John Vandenberg (chat) 07:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
The deletion is not being requested based on suspicion. The deletion is being requested based on the summary statement in conjunction with a previous discussion that has proven another image does not belong to the user. ALLSTAR echo 07:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
You suspect that this image is not free because another image that the user uploaded is not free.
You have chosen to ignore Durova's request on Commons:Deletion requests/Image:SanchezColumbia.jpg to discuss the matter of this image with the user (which is OK; I understand that you don't want to talk with this user, or dont see the utility in doing so), but you have also not collated any background information about this image that would cast serious doubt on the image, nor have you tracked down the photographer and asked him for his input. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Other than Sanchez's own statement in the summary that someone else took the photo?? ALLSTAR echo 22:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The photo has been nominated for deletion because of Allstar's delusional state that he/she/it is always correct and his obvious disregard for me. The photo belongs to me, I have permission to use it. How do we proceed to register that permission? [Personal attack removed.] Bluemarine 08:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Uh yeah, you could just explain why you have the copyright on it rather than making lame personal attacks like that, okay? Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 14:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Can you explain the details about this image, such as who is Chris Kulawik, in an email to permissions@wikimedia.org, or to me personally. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hey, mellow out. And please stop with the personal attacks. →Rocket°°° 10:35, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep - with all due respect, this appears to be nothing more than a furtherance of the dispute between Allstar and Bluemarine. And, as I said elsewhere, this needs to stop. Live and let live, people, both of you. As for this image, I see no reason for deletion. Patstuart (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Um, no. The dispute is irrelevant. The image itself needs to be evaluated. It falls short. ++Lar: t/c 03:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment COPYRIGHT 2008, RADAR MAGAZINE claimed.[22] Walter Siegmund (talk) 13:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment No, that would be March 30, 2007 when that was published - according to the date at the bottom of the article. Where are you seeing 2008? Regardless, someone should contact Radar Magazine and find out the copyright status of the photo. ALLSTAR echo 17:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Mr. Sanchez gave his camera to his buddy, later he took a pic of Mr. Kulawik with Mrs. Coulter. So, where is the problem? Mutter Erde 21:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Other than Sanchez claiming ownership and copyright to a photo that was published in a magazine a month before Sanchez uploaded it here? ALLSTAR echo 23:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I look at the picture, I look at the description, there is no reason to doubt. This pic was made by a guy, who was not familiar with the camera. Mutter Erde 08:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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I have emailed several people at Radar Magazine to get their take on the photograph, since it did appear in their interview with Sanchez on March 30, 2007 at the link noted above. When I hear back, I'll follow-up. ALLSTAR echo 23:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - delete it until such time as copyright is established. Note that we have a defacto policy that once a few images clearly come out as delete based on copyright concerns, and if we also see that a pattern of copyright abuse is established, we delete all the user's contributions, and block the user. I'm seeing that pattern as being likely but am not ready to make the call yet. ++Lar: t/c 03:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Lar, I am quite sure that many of these deletions are due to good faith errors on the part of Bluemarine. For example, Image:Wall_of_shame.jpg had nothing to do with the freeness of the photo - it was simply that it contained non-free elements. These images are being put under a very high level of scrutiny coupled with unusually high levels of bad faith.[23][24]. Image:Wall_of_shame.jpg has now also been nominated for deletion on en.wp citing Commons policy, so there are good faith errors on all sides as we attempt to stabilise the situation post the en.wp arbcom outcome. See WP:IFD(Wall of shame.jpg). John Vandenberg (chat) 02:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Sorry to be a hard case but the good faith I have for Matt Sanchez is zero. The project does not actually need these images, as far as I can see, and if Matt cannot avoid responding without being insulting or worse, we can't work with him, and we shouldn't have to try. No particular person is guaranteed an inexhaustible reservoir of good faith. That said if all of the issues are corrected by Matt to the absolute best of his ability, with no further outbursts, including his admitting where he erred, I'm not averse to starting over with a clean slate. My expectations of that happening are very low but non zero. ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
        • I was referring to "a pattern of copyright abuse", and pointing out that I consider Image:Wall_of_shame.jpg and other recently deleted images as complex cases rather than part of a pattern of abuse. I was not referring to user conduct, which I agree has not been good, and I would not assume any good faith there. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - delete per publication in magazine. Aleta 04:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - delete, I found this discussion by following Sanchez's own comments on wikipedia (just to snip meatpuppet accusations in the bud). Per Bluemarine (Sanchez)'s comment here "John Avarsis: This is a publicity shot I pulled from his website". At least Sanchez is being more forthcoming with where some of these photos came from. Benjiboi 18:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
That comment on User:Bluemarine is in regards to Image:Aravosis-John.jpg, which has been deleted. I pointed this out at en:Talk:Matt Sanchez/Archive 15. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. Per 17 USC § 204 (a), transfer of copyright is only effective in writing. Given the level of acrimony here, it would be best if Bluemarine could get Chris Kulawik to sign such a statement (see w:WP:COPYREQ#Declaration of consent for all enquiries), scan it and send it to OTRS. Sorry to make you jump through hoops, but the more eyeballs that are on this, the more important it is that we do things by the book. I'll be happy to restore it once that happens. howcheng {chat} 00:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:JayBrannan-MercuryLounge.jpg

The subject of the image, Jay Brannan, claims the photo copyright is owned by himself and does not give permission for its use.

Background (non-Commons information): He disputes the portrayal of him on en:Jay Brannan and would prefer the article be deleted also, however that will be handled on enwp.

I'm not personally comfortable with keeping the image if it is potentially work-for-hire. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete strongly per nomination, contents of OTRS ticket. Regardless of whether his article is deleted on enwp, I still feel this image should be deleted, between the claims of copyright, work-for-hire as well as the subject's known displeasure of it existing. Daniel (talk) 01:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • If I can offer a friendly suggestion, he should change the license of his image on Flickr to something like All Rights Reserved or something like that. I suggest it to prevent this from happening again. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
The photograph was uploaded under CCA by Flickr user Jason Anfinsen. If Brannan contests the copyright he can and should file a claim to Yahoo! . Queerudite 04:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
That is a good option. Kylu, I request for you to email me about this issue. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 08:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • So the wishes of the subject of the picture don't concern you at all? ~Kylu (u|t) 05:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Not in a situation where he has no ownership of the image, no, his wishes do not concern me. It's not his photo. He does not own the copyright to it. Therefore he has no claim to it nor a claim to decide Commons can't use it anymore. We're bowing down to someone who doesn't own the image. ALLSTAR echo 16:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete If the subject didn't give his permission to publish, ithas to be deleted. --norro 10:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • No it doesn't since he doesn't own the copyright of the image. This picture was taken by a fan at one of the subject's performances. The fan owns it, not the subject. ALLSTAR echo 16:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Personality rights; if the subject demands that a photograph of him to be taken down, despite whoever took it, we need to take it down. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 19:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep If the photograph is licensed as CCA on Flickr, it cannot be licensed differently on Wikimedia Commons. Unless the CCA is contested at Flickr, there is no reason for the photograph to be deleted here. Queerudite 16:10, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Image does not appear to be misleading and was taken at a public performance.Geni 22:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep I spoke to Geni today and she assured me that all personality rights issues are taken care of. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 08:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Does not look to me like a promotional photograph - it's in a flickr stream along with a ton of obviously personal photos, and is licensed similarly, with the same camera metadata. I see no detailed claims on any OTRS ticket invoking a work-for-hire issue. Phil Sandifer 15:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep It doesn't seem to violate any of the rules mentioned above. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 01:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment As was mentioned above in the nom rationale, Jay Brannan disputes the portrayal of him on en:Jay Brannan and would prefer the article be deleted also. Just an FYI that the article's AfD was closed as Keep. ALLSTAR echo 10:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - if we don't delete this, we might as well throw {{personality rights}} out the window. In fact, I might well nominate it myself. Patstuart (talk) 05:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Okey how does the wording on that template mean we should delete?Geni 18:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
"The subject of the image, Jay Brannan, claims the photo copyright is owned by himself and does not give permission for its use. Background (non-Commons information): He disputes the portrayal of him on en:Jay Brannan and would prefer the article be deleted also, however that will be handled on enwp." Patstuart (talk) 13:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
And if we bow down to every Tom, Dick and Harry that don't like the article about them on Wikipedia, we might as well throw Wikipedia it self out the window. ALLSTAR echo 00:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete Strong delete. We have a credible (although not verifiable) assertion that this is copyrighted vs a credible (but not verifiable) assertion that is was validly compatible licenced via Flickr. Either the Flickr uploader or the complainant is wrong (lying or mistake) but we have no way of judging between competing claims. However, since we are a free content project we need to err on the side of caution. We err on the sided of not using something we're not completely sure we have a right to use. Thus delete. The fact the complainant is the subject, does not want it used, and possibly owns personality rights simply strengthens the case--Doc glasgow2 02:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
powershot G9 for a work for hire photo? Unlikely. A nice camera but not a DSLR and the difference is noticeable. The upload time to flickr doesn't really give it time to be stolen.Geni 18:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Delete First, assuming that Mr. Anfinsen owns the copyright, which is a big if since the only evidence is that he uploaded a digital photograph to Flickr, the page is still in violation of the license agreement. The license cited is a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic License. This license requires attribution to the author. At this time there is no such attribution.
Second, Mr. Brannan does have rights in this situation. California, where the Wikimedia Foundation is located, recognizes a common law right of privacy that includes protection against appropriation of someone’s name or likeness. Wendt v. Host Intern., Inc., 125 F.3d 806, 811 (1997). This includes both commercial and non-commercial purposes. Miller v. Glenn Miller Productions, Inc., 454 F.3d 975, 989 (2006).
I would recommend, given Mr. Brannan’s preference, and the moral and legal issues involved, that his image be removed. the preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.174.86.67 (talk • contribs)
The above is from a en:Wikipedia:Single-purpose account. ALLSTAR echo 04:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Which is why I did not edit the actual article. I am simply advocating a position that I would hope will convince those that actually know the policies for editing articles. the preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.174.86.67 (talk • contribs)
I think you are very confused. The image is attributed to Jason Anfinsen. Look at the image page again. It's attributed in the same way as virtually every other Flickr image in Commons. Second, you are completely mischaracterizing the nature of personality rights. It protects the individual from having their image used to endorse a commercial or political cause. Both of the case law you cite are about commercial uses. There is no law in California that prevents free content images from being used for educational purposes about the subject. If there were such a law, you would never see a celebrity's image on TV or in print journalism during a scandal. Queerudite 14:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
And another comment: personality rights doesn't belong in Wikimedia Commons discussion anyway. It is merely a repository for free content images. Personality rights involves how the image is used, so if this photograph doesn't belong on Wikipedia that is a separate argument for the Wikipedia article (one which I have provided the counter-argument for above). If, on the other hand, Brannan were able to substantiate his claim of copyright, the photograph should be removed immediately without discussion. Though, as Geni and Allstar have pointed out, it seems unlikely Brannan actually holds the copyright. Queerudite 14:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
First, it is important to note that Mr. Brannan’s right in this case does not involve the photograph (a copyright) but the use of his image (a privacy right). Secondly, there is a legal distinction, albeit subtle, between the right to publicity, which is what you are discussing, and the right to privacy in regards to appropriation. While a right to publicity has to do with commercial interests and is often compared to the rights involved in a trademark, the right to privacy is focused on the effect on the individual involved and is not foreclosed by the use being noncommercial. Restatement 2d of Torts § 652C states: “One who appropriates to his own use or benefit the name or likeness of another is subject to liability to the other for invasion of his privacy.” The Restatement continues that while invasion by advertisement is a common form, the rule is not restricted to commercial appropriation: “It applies also when the defendant makes use of the plaintiff's name or likeness for his own purposes and benefit, even though the use is not a commercial one, and even though the benefit sought to be obtained is not a pecuniary one.” But again, I would argue that regardless of the legal arguments, there is a strong moral argument. Wikipedia generally removes things when the subject wants them removed, which is probably why it has avoided litigation to this point, I don't understand why this image would be different. Jlsimmons 01:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
a)we do no such thing and b) the photo appears to have been taken at a public performance (The G9 is not a superzoom model) and apart from being downscaled appears not to have been edited in any way. The courts would be unlikely to consider use in a wikipedia article to be "appropriates to his own use or benefit the name or likeness of another" and the images is hardly unique in haveing personality rights issues that could impact third parties. From the POV of commons and the wikimedia projects there are no personality rights issues that could be a problem on project.Geni 01:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The issues here are many, but I think my closing comments will satisfy the concerns of the deleters:

  • Copyright in the photograph: I don't see any evidence that this was, in fact, a work-for-hire, which is the only way that Mr. Brannan would be able to claim a copyright over it. There's a couple of minor pieces of evidence against this, too. For one thing, there's the fact that it's still on Flickr, under the original license; if this was some kind of blatant copyright violation one would have thought that Flickr would have taken it down by now. Another is that professionals who are hired for this sort of thing would be unlikely to use a PowerShot G9 to take such a photograph. None of these would count for much in other circumstances, but in lieu of any positive evidence for this being a work-for-hire, they do count for something.
  • Personality rights: It seems that some commentators have misunderstood this as meaning "the subject of a photograph has an absolute right to control how it is used, regardless of context". This, however, is not the case; that's why we have a template warning people about personality rights issues, rather than speedying every photograph of an identifiable person. One might draw a loose analogy with the fact that we allow trademarked images here (so long as they are free of copyright); the fact that it could be used in a way which would violate the law, does not mean that we should not host them. Its current use on Wikipedia, for sure, does not infringe on the subject's personality rights. None of this is incompatible with free licensing. It merely forbids certain kinds of misrepresentation, just as trademark law does.
  • The subject doesn't like it: Legally, we don't have to care about whether Mr. Brannan approves of it. The photograph was taken at a public gathering, at which many people could reasonably be expected to be taking photographs; as such, we don't need his permission to distribute such an image. We only require permission from the subject for situations in which there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. I think it's a stretch to say that a concert is one of these situations.
  • Regardless of what the law says, the subject wants it deleted: This, in fact, is the strongest argument in favour of deletion. We might often consider deleting things as a courtesy to the subject. But in this case, I think doing so would set a bad precedent. This photograph is not, for example, of such poor quality that it sheds bad light upon the subject. What's more, it's useful to us, something that has to be taken into account all by itself. We can't set the precedent of deleting useful, reasonable-quality material that does not compromise the interests of the subject just because someone doesn't like it (that this is the subject of the photo, doesn't carry much weight in lieu of any legal issues).

So all things considered, I don't see a reason for deletion, and so this has been Kept. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 13:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Hapsenje D Dzajica.jpg

Can`t be public domain. No relevant source. --Pokrajac 20:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Is public domain because I downloaded it from "Blic" web site (indicated) on February 5 (the day of the arrest), when it was posted there and signed: "foto: MUP". A day or so later, the photo on the site was replaced with a copyrighted one of better quality, but since MUP (Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs) takes photos of all arrests, it is rational to believe that "foto: MUP" was true and therefore the photo is in PD.
I guess it's not hard to check this with "Blic" or even with MUP, as they both have web sites. --Matija 20:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. This is not a "law, decree, regulation or official material of a Republic of Serbia state body"; this tag, as I gather, is not an analog to PD-USGov whereby it covers all material ever made by the government of the country in question. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 16:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Örebro_coat_of_arms.svg

This is a derivative of the copyrighted official CoA/Logo of Örebro Municipality. Lokal_Profil 02:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The official version can be seen here here. /Lokal_Profil 02:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted.Giggy 07:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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I think it's a derivative work of Led Zeppelin's album cover, maybe they're not copyrightable though. Don't know. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 00:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


was kept before. no new arguments --ALE! ¿…? 22:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)