Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Coat of arms of Western Sahara.svg

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[edit] Image:Coat_of_arms_of_Western_Sahara.svg

The image is not simple enough to be ineligible for copyright. And having no source means that no other license can apply. Lokal_Profil 01:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The {{PD-ineligible}} template doesn't speak of complexity, so your argument is irrelevant. ¦ Reisio 02:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The template states that the image consists entirely of "information". An example of this would be a simple geometric shape or a datasheet, and it should not be applied to creative works such as this. It also states that the image "contains no original authorship", which is clearly false. The placement and design of the elements of the coat of arms are most definitely of copyrightable originality, so Delete. —LX (talk, contribs) 17:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You interpretation of "information" aside... Virtually everything is of copyrightable origin, yet we still have public domain. Even if what you've said is agreed by all to be true, any further action should be taken at Commons talk:Licensing, Commons talk:Copyright tags, Template talk:PD-ineligible, or Image talk:Coat of arms of Western Sahara.svg (to determine what copyright tag would be more appropriate, if any).

There is still yet to be presented a reason for the deletion of this image as covered by Commons:Deletion guidelines.

¦ Reisio 19:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The reason for the suggested deletion, presumably, is that Commons accepts only free content, that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose, and it has not been shown why this would be the case for this image. There is a claim that the image is not copyrightable, but there is no convincing argument as to why it wouldn't be. —LX (talk, contribs) 21:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

If you can find a member of POLISARIO or the SADR government that thinks this image is copyrighted and/or not free to use, more power to you. Unless you can do that, however, I doubt there is a way for you to attain evidence against its legitimacy here in its current state or any other — and without such evidence, I don't see how your arguments for this deletion request will ever have a leg to stand on. ¦ Reisio 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep per Reisio. Koavf 20:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete -- incorrect understand of copyrights. / Fred J 14:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep AFAIK, the coats of arms are just representations of a description. In this case, some legal text of the SADR (the Constitution or other law) says that the coat of arms of the SADR "depicts two crossed rifles with the SADR flag hanging from either gun..." and Reisio made that. Reisio made an image based in that description just like we have done in all the coats of arms present in Commons... maybe the copyright tag isn't the correct one but that's not a reason for deleting the image. --B1mbo 17:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

If Reisio has made the image (based on the description and not some "official" representation of it) then yes he can release the image under any applicable license he wants. But there is no information on the image description page suggesting that Reisio made the image himself. / Lokal_Profil 17:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

...and if there were such information, it would still just be my word against yours. This deletion request is nonsense. ¦ Reisio 03:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete: Western Sahara is the name of a disputed area and this subject were already discused in Flag of Western Sahara; so the SADR coat of arms must be here: image:coat of arms of Sahrawi Arab_Democratic Republic.svg.Vispec 11:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should replace all flags with the flag of Morocco? :p ¦ Reisio 14:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Although a discussion about whether Coat of arms of Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.svg is a better name for the image might be good it's not a condition warranting the deletion of the image. This nomination is concerned with the copyright of the image. /Lokal_Profil 16:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep with current name: All the States and the UN that recongnise the Western Sahara, call it Western Sahara. With that point of view, the UK Royal Coat of Arms.svg should have to be deleted and upload with the name United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Royal Coat of Arms.svg. Stupid thing isn't it?
• Keep with current name Aboyado 23:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep with THIS name Gandal el gris 23:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Shut up, spanish sockpuppet malvado cabron --Isno 10:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep with current name --Willtron 13:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• This is not about the name. - Rocket000 06:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• It is very noticeable that Wikimedia Commons allows national flag and coat-of-arms symbols to be hosted here, even though in many cases they may be subject to concerns similar to those raised by Lokal Profil. This being the case, I would like to know how the status of this image differs significantly from a number of national flag and national coat of arms images... AnonMoos 11:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Because this one is incorrectly tagged with PD-ineligible and hasn't got a source. Free versions of CoAs are possible by freely interpreting the blasoning, when it comes to flags I'm less sure. Yes you are right in that we have a lot of images with problematic copyrightstatus, but thats not the same as saying that we allow it. /Lokal_Profil 13:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Gone. If anyone has come up with a proper source, I may upload this to the English and Chinese Wikipedias, if needed by those projects. 哦，是吗？(висчвын) 23:47, 19 April 2008 (GMT)