Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Coat of arms of the Soviet Union.svg (02)

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[edit] Image:Coat of arms of the Soviet Union.svg

Moved from Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Coat of arms of the Soviet Union.svg --Cat ^Chi? 21:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Renominating. Is based only on Wikipedia's images - i.e. actually unsourced. And contains multiple errors (see [1]). None of them were fixed since the previous nomination and widely spread with this image over some 50 interwikis, good PD version is available --Cmapm 16:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer a vector (svg) version to a pixel (png) version. --UV 22:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

We have sourced and free (public domain) PNG available. Which may be converted to SVG by/for someone who prefers it. The question is: why should we keep highly erroneous (it contains more than 20 errors) and unsourced image, no matter whether it's png, svg, jpg, whatever? Cmapm 01:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I also would prefer the .svg to the .png. It's clearer and conforms with the other .svg maps and diagrams of the pages on which this would be placed. The language errors are a major issue, asthetic disputes much less so (a thick border?), but for its purposes a simple notice of its inaccuracies on the description page could not hurt. Would the original uploader be able to update the .svg to correct his errors? I'm sure, based on the quality of that emulation, that the artist is profiecient enough to know to save files with layer information. a l τ o n .ıl 08:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I should prefer .svg to .png too. I notified the uploader of the possible deletion, but they don't take part in the discussion and therefore aren't interested in correcting their errors. There is already a notice on the description page, that the image is erroneous and a link to place where errors are listed. But people who upload the image to other interwikis don't always include description in English there. And if they include, usually they don't translate it to the interwiki's language. But even if the description is included and translated, not all people look into image description page.

The main my point is that erroneous image is spreading over interwikis, and I can't tolerate the situation, where more and more folks have the reason to say: "those stupid Soviets were not able to write even four words correctly in my language". Cmapm 14:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so based on the information posted at the image page, the file was done in Inkscape. I am using this program now and there is no way we could type in the various characters and accent marks without leaving stuff out. I still need to see if the order of the text is at least correct, then I will try and fix up the text to the best to my ability. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 18:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you can explain the errors I'm quite sure that I can modify the file and fix them. --F l a n k e r 13:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

PS: the vantage of the vector format (SVG) is not only that is a format not subdued to the resolution, but also that is highly and easily editable.

For language errors, there is a table showing correct inscriptions. If you believe, that explicit exact list of language errors should be more helpful, I can try to compile it.

Other necessary fixes follow from the comparison with the sourced .png version: sickle should be with cogs, grains of ears should be without black strokes, globe border should be as thin as meridian/parallel lines; colours should be like on the .png version, especially needs to be fixed: colour of ribbons, colour of the hammer/sickle, of the sun and of the ears. Cmapm 14:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Mhm! A lot of work, eh? OK, I've managed to fix the sickle, now preceding to modify the ribbon. As I said is a lot of work, (I've redone from scratch the ribbon) so I've need a couple of day to do all the corrections. Thanks for the suggestions, is perfect to copy/paste all the inscriptions. Cheers, F l a n k e r 15:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've fixed the inscriptions (I hope!). Please tell me if they are correct now. Redone also the sickle, the ribbon, the sun, the earth (border thickness and meridians, that now are connected), modified the colors, removed the spikes from the wheat and done some minor improvements. And now the arms are nearer. What do remains to do? F l a n k e r 20:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks pretty good Flanker, good job. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Watching the similar images in the same category give me some other details: I must disconnect the meridians of the globe. Than the shadows on the lower part of the ribbon are asymmetric. And, at last, in the original images the wheat can be seen through the ribbon. --F l a n k e r 00:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 Done It is good enuogh to be saved from deletion? --F l a n k e r 01:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 Keep I believe so. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 Keep This version looks much better. Strange how memory can deceive you; I remembered the landmass as outlined in black. Apparently that's not the case. Valentinian ^(talk) 18:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Update. I've tried to compare the ribbons with the list at [2]. Would you mind rechecking the Armenian text? The last letter looks like a Latin "f" and according to the FOTW page, the Armenian version doesn't use the exclamation mark. The rest of the ribbons look ok to me, but I haven't tried to verify the rest of the Armenian text, since I'm very unfamiliar with the lowercase forms in this alphabet. Is it correct that the Armenian text isn't all uppercase forms? Please also double check the Belarusian version. The text on the description page spells "proletarians" as "Пралетарыі", but the upper-case version is shows two identical letters at the end of this word. Zach, do you know enough about Belarusian ortography to check this one? Valentinian ^(talk) 19:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

If we compare with the version here the Armenian text should be upper-case forms. There is also a typo in the Romanian / "Moldovan" text. The word "УНИЦИ‑ВЭ" is misspelled (the second "И"). Valentinian ^(talk) 19:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I've checked the JPG version of the seal, and yes, the Armenian don't have the exlamation mark, so I'm going to delete it and make all the text uppercase. For the Byelorussian text the world is ПРАЛЕТАРЫІ (the uppercase і is an I, you can compare the page you have just linked). --F l a n k e r 19:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (PS: correcting also the Moldavian! I have copied and pasted the text in the table of the original PNG image.)

 Done and thanks for the suggestions, --F l a n k e r 20:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the blown up image of the BSSR arms I have, the text that is on the image now is correct. It looks like two I's, but it looks perfect now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

 Keep, it's good enough. —Nightstallion (?) 21:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Cmapm, what do you thinking about? --F l a n k e r 00:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I think this is a great work, thank you! And at the same time it's a pity, that the original uploader was so disrespectful to the insignia of my country. Cmapm 12:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

 Keep Looks very close to the original now. Cmapm 12:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --F l a n k e r 13:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Kept, this is a work of art now. nice collaborative effort there :) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)