# Commons:Help desk/Archive/2007/12

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## prices

i want to knnow the pricess of in ine frames

Sorry, Commons is not price database. Try http://froogle.com. --EugeneZelenko 16:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

## Image:Tilfleresnytte1823.png

can someone take a look at this image. i'm pretty sure it doesnt count as an "icon", but not sure where to re-cat it to. also, its a little big, flowing over the 12.5mill pixel limit of the png thumbnail software. -cheers the preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.189.180.182 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 13. Okt. 2007

Done Moved to categories Vignette and Books from Denmark. --GeorgHH 11:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

## Image:Potturinn.jpeg

Image:Potturinn.jpeg is not a well but a spring ; but this picture can't be moved to another category as it is used in the "Commons:Village_pump" page - you have to used another picture to illustrate your page and unblock or classify yourself this picture ! Many thanks for your help

Thanks for your suggstion. Just so you know, you can write on the talk page of protected pages with suggestions when you want to edit them. thanks, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 05:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Nobody has suggested it is a well, so far as I can see, but it's true that it doesn't show anything resembling a village pump. --MichaelMaggs 16:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
(I changed the category --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC))

## Image:BRUNTAL_TRICOLOR.JPG

I believe the image at Image:BRUNTAL_TRICOLOR.JPG needs its license looking at

I'm pretty sure that's {{PD-ineligible}} Rocket000 15:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

## Claiming my images

There are a number of images I created and uploaded to the en-Wikipedia, which have been uploaded here via a circuitous route and have lost my attribution as the author. For instance, Image:Lens1.svg is mine, but appears to have been uploaded from a copy at zh-Wikipedia without my name attached to the license info. I only noticed this after the image was deleted from en-WP as an exact copy of the commons file, thus losing my attribution completely. Do I just go ahead and change all the tags on these images to the correct author (me), or is there some process I must follow? --DrBob 18:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure that it isn't Image:Lens1.png which is your image? This (non svg version) is correctly credited to you. I've also added a comment on the svg version based on the information in the upload log. /Lokal_Profil 19:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep, I created both the PNG version, and (much later), the SVG version of the image. Note for instance that Image:Lens1b.svg correctly shows me as the author. --DrBob 19:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you could ask an admin on the English Wikipedia to review your images that have been deleted and compare attribution and license info. --Svens Welt 23:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

## Translation needed

What is the best translation for a category/gallery for media according to Motorradgottesdienst? --GeorgHHtalk   17:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

## Photograph of a book cover

I uploaded my photograph of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book to Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LittleRedBook.jpg I'd like to put it on Wikimedia so other projects can have access to it, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate, or what category to use. I can't imagine anyone claiming copyright, but I don't want to do the wrong thing. ThanksQuelcrime 00:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Book covers are not allowed on Commons, sorry. Please read our licensing policy. --GeorgHH 11:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
To be more precise, "Specifically, the following are generally not allowed: Scans or reproductive photographs of copyrighted artwork, especially book covers, album/CD covers, etc" http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Acceptable_licenses
So, generally, it depends whether the cover is copyright. As one might expect. Whether this is an exception to that general rule, I don't know.217.42.13.36 14:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
A lot of people don't realize that a scan of someone else's work doesn't give them rights to it. Copyright in China is life + 50 years, so yes, this scan can only be used under a claim of fair use.Rlevse 22:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
...which is not allowed here --MichaelMaggs 22:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
yes, FU is not allowed on commons. RlevseTalk 01:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I loaded 3 pictures and forgott to add the licence. I scanned all of the myself and one is so old it is expired anyway. How do I add the licence now without loading the image again? The images are Bojare_Orscha.jpg (scanned myself -> free), Fjodor_R_Osten-Sacken.jpg (expired->free), Jurij A Treguboff10.jpg (scanned myself->free)--sabisteb 12:56, 5 December 2007 (CET)

The full list of copyright tags can be found here. Images for which the copyright has expired can be tagged with {{PD-old}}, and for images you created yourself, choose a free licence from the above link, for instance {{self|CC-BY-2.0}} or {{self|GFDL}}, and add it to the image page. RedCoat 15:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

## Creative Commons License picture request overview

Image:PrinceEdwardIsland.jpg is from a website which uploaded images to the WWW via the Creative Commons License 3.0. There are also other historical maps online here. Is this upload OK? There is a map needed for the new provincial wikiproject. The map has been cropped from a larger image on the aforementioned website. [[User:SriMesh|SriMesh]] | [[User talk:SriMesh|<small>talk</small>]] 01:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Those images are released under BY-NC-SA 2.0, which doesn't allow commercial use. All images uploaded to Commons can not have this restriction. (BTW, I didn't see where it said CC 3.0) -Rocket000 14:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
But as the maps are from the late 19th century, maybe there's a chance that they are already in the public domain (further information about the creator of the maps is needed to find out). --88.134.141.133 14:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Anything before 1923 is PD, but not necessarily their derivatives, so you got to be careful in situations like this. Rocket000 15:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
To expand on that. If the images are simply digital reproductions of PD work, then they are also PD because they lack originality. The website can not claim any copyright status. For more details on this check out Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. I'm not familiar with the originals so there may be a reason why the website claims the rights. Rocket000 16:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

## Help tagging a photo

Hi, My friend uploaded this photo: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Jim_Carroll%2C_Author.jpg He had technical difficulties and asked me to finish setting it up for him. It appears he already has the information, as shown in the log, but it's not showing up where it's supposed to. There is also a notation that the photo will be deleted if the copyright info isn't set up.

I have NO idea how to do this stuff. Can someone help me?

Thanks! Bristlecone

I took a look at the image, and I see no problems - all details are filled in fine. I can't see a reason for it to be deleted. Thanks for your contributions to Commons! Giggy 05:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

## Some information missing?

Hello, I've just uploaded two photos ftom the Esperanto Wikipedia, This and This one. Some robot sent me a message that something is not OK with these images - "Please remember that all uploads require source, author and license information." - but I think this is already written there. Can you help me - where is the problem? Thanks in advance --Vojtech.dostal 15:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you were missing the copyright tags. They're all in order now. Rocket000 15:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, another WikiMedia project cannot be the source. In this case, I've assumed that the original uploader, Petr Tomasovsky, was also the photographer, and have modified the tagging accordingly. Now, could someone improve the description and the categorization, please? Lupo 15:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

## Move HP48G2 to HP48G

I uploaded a cleaner version of HP48G.jpg (ie: downloaded, used GIMP to clean up some of the rough edges), but my account is too new to replace it (MatthewMastracci on Wikipedia.org, but I just signed up for commons today):

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:HP48G2.jpg

Can someone with access move it overtop of the old file?

MatthewMastracci 06:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted the image, you can now upload again in it's place. Giggy 07:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, my account is too new to overwrite it (I tried). The message asks me to upload under a new name and ask for help here to rename it. MatthewMastracci 07:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Done Image:HP48G2.jpg uploaded as a new version of Image:HP48G.jpg. --GeorgHHtalk   08:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the misunderstanding :) Giggy 00:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

## Delegating the photo upload process. What else must I do?

A photographer contributed the following this photo for a wikipedia page about a rock musician. He granted authorization to license it under CC-By-SA. The author asked me to do all the upload on his behalf.

Could you tell me if I'm all done or if I should forward his authorization mail to the common mailing list? He didn't use any of the templates; he just wrote the small phrase I quoted in the permissions field.

Thanks! Harpo bzh 14:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You should forward the email to OTRS. Best regards, --rimshottalk 14:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Done Thanks for your prompt help. Let's hope this was enough. Harpo bzh 00:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Added the {{Otrs pending}} template to the image page. /Lokal_Profil 03:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

## Language help

Could someone identify the language used here, if any? It looks like Polish to me (Google search + the fact that the IP is from Warsaw), but it is written without any spaces, so no translator can tell me what it says there. --Boricuæddie 15:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I tried, but it just looks like gibberish.--Ivo (talk, contribs) 16:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I thought :-) --Boricuæddie 16:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Can this really be a language? --Sokrates 17:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That IP edit is pure gibberish. But in the image name "samolot" is Russian for Airplane. Rlevse 20:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The title, Image:Samolot_Lufthansa_na_lotnisku_Okęcie ("A Lufthansa airplane at Okęcie airfield") sounds like perfect Polish to me. Vmenkov 21:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

## How to find Tennessee photographers on Commons?

Is there any easy way to find photogs on Commons by geographical location? I have press access to a fairly major, national-level band's final show, which is in the state. -- Zanimum 21:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid we have no equivalent of en:Wikipedia:Photo Matching Service. Few people use Category:Users by country :-( Jastrow (Λέγετε) 10:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

## Problem moving image to commons

Hi everyone, I moved w:Image:Victoria harbor yin-yan.jpg to Image:Victoria harbor yin-yan.jpg using CommonsHelper, but the image description and the geo information have been pretty much lost. What went wrong? -- Ddxc 00:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

How is it now? I think the problem was {{en}} Giggy 02:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! -- Ddxc 06:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

## Image:Breakdance-oldschool.png

The above image was deleted for not having source information. I find this odd because the logo has been used for the Hip hop WikiProject in Wikipedia for a long time and all of a sudden, it's deleted. Perhaps the souce info was removed and subsequently deleted? If an admin can view the deleted edits, that'd be great. Thanks. Spellcast 07:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

There was no source info. The author was given as jnl, but there was no information who jnl is, and there is no proof that jnl is indeed the author. --rimshottalk 09:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I remember reading on an image talk page that someone replaced the logo with a break dancing image of their own. What's the username of the uploader(s)? Spellcast 09:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Shizhao --rimshottalk 09:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The PNG is just a smaller version of Image:Breakdance oldschool.jpg. I would presume that "jnl" is User:Jean-no, who uploaded that JPG. (Jean has uploaded other photos he has taken with file names ending in "jnl", for instance Image:Rouen palais des congres jnl 3.jpg, where he has given his full name, and it indeed gives the initials "jnl".) Could someone ask him over at fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Jean-no whether he did draw this himself, please? If so, change the tagging to {{self|FAL}} and restore the PNG. Lupo 11:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I sent a message to fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Jean-no using my IP. He replied on my talk page on the English Wikipedia using his IP. He apparently doesn't like the image and prefers graffiti. But isn't it acceptable for User:Shizhao to re-upload an image that User:Jean-no made under a different file format? I thought this was all under copyleft licenses. Spellcast 23:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Of course it is. It was just deleted because of the somewhat difficult to untangle sourcing. I've restored it now and added all the information that's needed. Whether you want to use that image or some other image in the user box at en-WP is up to you. Lupo 17:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks heaps for your help Lupo. Consider this issue resolved. Spellcast 00:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

## RFC?

Does Commons have the equivalent of w:WP:RFC? And if not, what is the appropriate forum for large-ish discussions of complicated issues (for example, issues affecting several hundred images)? The Village Pump? Dragons flight 07:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

If it's categories, use Commons:Categories for discussion. If it's licensing, use Commons talk:Licensing. Otherwise usually Village pump. If you suspect it will be a big or important discussion it might be smart to use a subpage from the start. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You could also post a note to the mailing list notifying people about the discussion. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

## NASAA image is legitimate

We are editing our wiki page and have received a notice from "tomia" that our image is in copyright violoation. This is not the case. How do we remove the message saying that our logo will be removed from the NASAA wiki page?

By clicking on "edit this page"? I don't know. Is this a image on Commons? On Wikipedia? We need a little more info. Rocket000 03:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

## Same name for different files in wikipedia and commons

I uploaded a image Theyyam.jpg to commons, but I could not add the same to a wikipedia article because another file with the same name existed there. I believed such a scenerio never happens. Is this a bug? Any way to solve it other than re-uploading the image under different name? These are the images I'm talking about:

-Anoopkn 19:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not as unusual as one might think. One solution is to upload the local image to Commons under a differnet name (assuming it's under a free license)./Lokal_Profil 22:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You should upload to commons with a different name, then tag the old one with {{badname}}. In cases where the EnWP and commons image are the same (not in this case), the EnWP version can be tagged with {{subst:ncd}}, and it will be deleted (this shouldn't happen here as they aren't the same). So yeah, re-upload, and then tag the old one for deletion with badname. Giggy 22:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks--Anoopkn 14:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

## Please check licensing (before the image gets deleted!)

Please check that 20px meets the licensing documentation requirements. Thank you. --Kushal one 04:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kushal one,
When transferring images from another project, please use the CommonsHelper tool. Specifically, we need to know the name of the user that uploaded it originally. Please also add a descriptive category. (maybe category:buildings in Japan?) thanks, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
It's not really a photo of a building, but of a large conference poster, which would make it a copyvio derivative work. --dave pape 16:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Is that ground for CSD?--Kushal one 22:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Fine. I will use the tool. --Kushal one 22:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Done Please see 20 px Thank you for your input. --Kushal one 22:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm afraid {{derivative}} works are subject to speedy deletion. Many times this issue is missed on the various wikipedias, and only gets caught when images are moved here. If you have reason to disagree with the deletion, you can bring it to Commons:Undeletion requests (but please review Commons:Derivative works first). --dave pape 16:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Davepape,

I was a little discontent at first. Now I know that original upload (on the Japanese Wikipedia) was the image that was licensed inadequately which makes my upload subject to CSD. Earlier, I mistook the matter and thought that by derivative owrk, Commons bureaucrats meant my derivation from the image on the japanese Wikipedia. Since the image was already tagged as GFDL, I thought the CSD was unjustified.

Thank you very much, Davepape for your kind understanding. I don't know if I could do that if someone re uploaded an image that was speedily deleted. Thank you also for not blocking me.

I assure it was purely ignorance that was the cause of my action an I had no malice in my mind.

Sincerely, Kushal

How do I create internal links that point to Wikipedia? Thanks, Yavoh 15:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[[:Wikipedia:en:Foo|Foo]]Foo --88.134.141.133 19:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
You can also use [[w:Foo]], [[:de:Foo|Foo]]Foo, Foo -- Ddxc 20:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

## Where to report potential copyright issues

When I looked at Image:2006_0602TurdaPotaissaCastrumMap0081.jpg, I thought the image might have a copyright problem. I don't want to nominate it for deletion straight away, but I'd like to report it somewhere so people with more experience with copyright issues can have a look at it. Is there some place to report it (for instance something like w:Wikipedia:Media copyright questions)? -- Ddxc 18:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

You could nominate such images for deletion. --EugeneZelenko 15:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

## What is wrong with http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bousset-S010.png?

Hi Commons-Experts, what is wrong with my uploaded picture http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bousset-S010.png ? How can I correct it? What is to add to the description-section? Thanks, --Batchheizer 21:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've tagged the language of the description. It now reads "{{de|Die Offenbarung Johannis}}". (Also, I'm not a commons expert, but I believe the book you scanned it from should be mentioned in the source part. Dear experts, is that correct?) -- Ddxc 21:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yup, that's correct. Initially, the image was missing a license tag, too. And yes, this is not your "own work". Of course you scanned it, but a scan is not a "work". You could mention something like "Scanned by uploader from Bousset, W: Die Offenbarung Johannis, Göttigen, Germany, 1906." I've updated the image pages accordingly. Furthermore, since you're apparently going to upload the whole work, I've created Category:Die Offenbarung Johannis and also Category:Wilhelm Bousset, and also Creator:Wilhelm Bousset. Take a look at Image:Bousset-S010.png how the image description page could look like. Also note that there appears to be a problem with Image:Bousset-S004.png, I only see a transparent PNG, but no text. Lupo 22:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for the corrections. Could someone delete the old Testfile Image:Bousset-Offb004.png ? I see no Problem with Image:Bousset-S004.png. --Batchheizer 13:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Image:Bousset-S004.png resides at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Bousset-S004.png and apparently there's some ad-Blocker here on my end that doesn't like URLs with "/ad" in them... Lupo 13:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
But why should Image:Bousset-Offb004.png be deleted? It's the preface, and I don't see any duplicate... Lupo 14:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bousset-Offb004.png should be delteted, because it has a wrong filename and wrong resolution. I will upload the correct preface in a few days.--Batchheizer 14:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

## Is this acceptable?

Image:Organic Eggnog.jpg A photograph of two cartons of eggnog with full brand information. Organic brands, artistic carton design. Probably an underlying copyright there, am I mistaken? Please review. Durova 23:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I suppose you're right. Open a deletion request, that's where we generally discuss such things. (Despite the name, our deletion requests are simply discussions where people present arguments why a particular image was or was not suitable for hosting here. Voting, i.e., saying "keep" or "delete" without presenting a reason, is strongly discouraged and should in any case be disregarded when the discussion is closed.) Lupo 14:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, will do. Durova 20:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

## Image display problem

Image:D-fructose.png isn't displayed in Firefox. What's wrong? Sakkura 17:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't know. I use FF and it displays fine. RlevseTalk 22:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Now that's strange. This is what I see on the page, and the image is not displayed on the wikipedia pages that use the image either. But I can see the image fine if I click "image" near the top of the page. In IE it displays fine everywhere. Sakkura 22:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Did you try the "purge" button ? - Erik Baas 23:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep, just did that again to make sure. A correction to the above, I only get to see the image if I click on the image name where the picture would normally be. I guess that is equivalent to clicking the image itself, where you are sent to the page with the full-size raw image. Sakkura 23:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Displays fine for me - not sure what the problem is. Try purging again now (hours later). Giggy 00:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I've had problems similar to this and the only thing that fixed it was uploading the image with a slightly different name. My theory is that sometimes the initial upload did not work 100% correctly. RlevseTalk 02:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
• The problem is that the image resides at the URL http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/D-fructose.png which contains the string "/ad/". Sakkura is probably running some ad-blocking software that is configured to treat images living at a URL containing this string as advertisements. Changing the ad-blocker's configuration to not apply that rule for images from the .wikipedia.org and .wikimedia.org domains will cure the problem. Lupo 07:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

That was it, thanks! Is there some way to change the path of the image? Because I guess I won't be the only person using adblock software. Sakkura 12:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Short of a software change, no. For the time being, people just have to configure their ad-blockers correctly. Lupo 13:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

## Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_USA.svg to Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg

Hi, I tried to update the existing file but I am a new user. Please Update Image:Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg to reflect the changes in Image:Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_USA.svg

Thanks.the preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackoc24 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 14 December 2007

If you can give sources supporting that the laws have changed in New York and New Jersey then I'll gladly update the map. /Lokal_Profil 18:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
New Jersey. -- Bryan (talk to me) 09:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I've now updated NJ. If you can find a similar source for NY that wuld be great./Lokal_Profil 16:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

## SVG saves as PNG

There is an image on en.wiki, en:Image:BSA Region Map.svg that the original uploaded asked me to move to Commons, but every time I save it, it will only save as a PNG. Please advise. Thanks. RlevseTalk 17:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Right-click on the link "BSA_Region_Map.svg‎" underneath the image and select "save link as". Alternatively left click the link and then right click on the image which appears and select "save page as". /Lokal_Profil 17:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! BTW, right-clicking generated a file that the uploader said was corrupt, but left clicking worked fine. RlevseTalk 18:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
PS why doesn't "save image as" work? RlevseTalk 18:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Becaiuse the image which appears on the image page is the png thumbnail which gets generated by the mediawiki software. /Lokal_Profil 19:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I wanted to refresh the existing image from the Jeopardy! page but I'm too new to do that. Please, if someone can, change it to the new one.

Thanks.the preceding unsigned comment was added by Tuko777 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 17 December 2007

Done/Lokal_Profil 00:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

## Grand Theft Auto Los Angeles

Grand Theft Auto Los Angeles is a story about Kenneth Henson and Clay Allison Mitchell.

The protagonists are: Carl Smith Kenneth Henson Clay Allison Mitchell Wilma Merkling Officer Marv Davis Stanley Greenfield and Yitzhak Abram Rabin.

Carl Smith resembles Carl Johnson.He is the brother of Yayo,Kendl and Glassgow. Stanley Greenfield resembles Gary Dourdan. He is the sister of Laverne Greenfield. Clay Allison Mitchell is the leader of the Dollar Bill. Officer Marv Davis the righteous officer who helped Mitchell.

um... thanks for letting us know? Rocket000 23:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

## Thumb not working

Can anyone tell me why thumbs of this image don't display? WilyD 21:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

No idea...everything seems OK from my perspective (URL wise etc.) yet it won't show :( Giggy 23:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't show for me either. Is it suppose to be animated? All I see is a static image on the description page. Rocket000 23:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
It's animated, and if you watch long enough you should see it move. It's just very slow, since the timestep was choosen for asteroids with much faster speeds. WilyD 14:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

## Personality rights

Hi! Is there a guideline that describes how personality rights limit what can be used how on the Wikipedias?

Here's an example that I'm unsure about: Image:Blond little girl.jpg depicts an identifyable and presumably living person.

1. It is shown, for instance, in its Commons categories and on wikt:blond (both U.S. jurisdiction?) and de:Blond (German jurisdiction). Would or could those two violate the personality rights of the child? Could the Wikimedia Foundation get into trouble for it, similar to copyright violations?
2. It is also used on de:Vernachlässigung (engl. "neglect"). Is that one of the cases where the image should just be removed from the article? -- Ddxc 04:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
See Commons:Photographs of identifiable people for information. Cary Bass demandez 05:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Um, what does the caption in the neglect article say? I would say it is not proper to use the picture in that context. -Nard 01:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
It said "neglected needs of a child". That was indeed improper, and I've removed the image there. Lupo 22:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

## PERMISO PARA SUBIR FOTOS

$$meliasorellana88$$

Hola, mi pregunta es la siguiente: Nosotros estamos alzando articuos, lo que queremos es subir archivos, las fotos que tenemos son de wwww.musicaparaguaya.com.py ellos ya nos dieron el permiso de poder utilizar las fotos, que tenemos que hacer para poder subir las fotos de dicha pagina??

Tienen que enviar un correo electrónico de parte del website diciendo que ellos son los que tienen el copyright y que permiten el uso de la imagen bajo las condiciones de una licencia libre a permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Puedes leer más en Commons:OTRS/es. --Boricuæddie 14:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Bueno, realmente son ellos los que tienen que enviar el permiso, no ustedes. Un saludo --Ecemaml (talk to me/habla conmigo) 12:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Kind regards

Per

The uploaded image is here, if you wish to fill out information. Giggy 00:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

## Presidential election campaign poster= public domain?

I've got a great poster used during President Ford's election campaign. It shows Gerry Ford dressed as Fonzie and it says, FORD- Happy Days are Here Again. Can this be used on wikipedia? Thanks68.40.42.91 15:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any reason to think it's public domain? pfctdayelise (说什么?) 07:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
More specifically, do you know who the photographer is? pfctdayelise (说什么?) 07:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

## Categorizing confusion

I am confused about the double categories of animals and plants. For example, there is one category:sheep and one category: Ovis aries. What are the guidlines for categorizing sheep pictures in these two categories? In which category should subcategories with domestic sheep breeds (such as category:leicester (sheep) be)? Grateful for all help and guidelines. Jorva 16:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC) (user on svWP)

Well, these redundant categories are an unfortunate result of not being able to completely redirect categories like we can with galleries. We don't really have a clear guideline on this yet, but generally all pictures of organisms should at least be categorized by the scientific Latin name. (See also: Commons:WikiProject Tree of Life#Categories). When I categorize plants and animals I normally only use the scientific name (species or genus name, if I can tell) unless it's a generalized illustration, but it's really up to you if you want to categorize by the common name too. Rocket000 02:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

## Special pages

Ok, I'm not familiar with this side of MediaWiki. How often do some of these logs get updated (for example: Special:Lonelypages? Is it all determined by developers or can admins change how often it updates? Is it possible to run a update manually? Rocket000 02:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK the devs control it - on EnWP it's turned off I think, not sure about here. Giggy 07:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

## Ok to modify this photo?

I have this photo from Flickr. It has this license which says: "Attribution-No Derivative Works 2.0 Generic", so I cant crop this photo and upload it here or can I? Its too big to upload on its own. What do you suggest I do? I could email the guy who took it and ask him to upload the cropped one under the same or better license. Any suggestions? --Matt57 02:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• See Commons:Licensing. Commons does not accept licenses that prohibit derivative works, so the image is not welcome here under the current license in any case. (As an aside, technical changes such as cropping or changing resolution or size are not usually considered making derivatives). Please contact the author to change to a freer license. :) -Nard 02:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Thanks for the reply! I'll contact the author. --Matt57 07:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

## 1964 New York World's Fair

There is a Category called "1964 New York World's Fair" which I uploaded many picture to in the past. I realize now however that perhaps I made a mistake with adding a page called "1964 New York World's Fair" which is a duplicate of what is already in the Category. I would like to delete this page because of this. How do I do that so that there is not a duplicate of these pictures? --Doug Coldwell 16:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Instead of deleting, consider a #REDIRECT [[:Category:better name here]] on the page (and don't forget the ':' so the wiki software will redirect to the new category, not simply 'file' this page. To 'move' the images from one category to another is as simple as changing the name of the category they appear in. Once moved, if you notice that there are duplicate images, choose the best image of the duplicates based on size, clarity, name and other criteria that I can't think of right now and mark the least desirable duplicates with the {{duplicate|Image:name of the image that is going to be kept.jpg}} and soon, something will be done about the duplicates. -- carol 03:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
There's no requirement to redirect or move anything. Files can be placed in a gallery and a category at the same time, regardless gallery and category are identical named. --GeorgHHtalk   21:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

## what for?

Could someone explain to me what these images are for? Isn't (most of) that exactly what foreign scripts are for: displaying text in other than Latin script without having to use images? The images look like kind of a waste of server space to me: Most, if not all, of the scripts are visible with virtually every browser and installation of any standard scripts. Or what's the point of such files? Thanks for enlightening Ibn Battuta 00:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Not every user on every computer has permission to install the appropriate scripts or fonts, e.g. work and public library computers. It is sadly very common... --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 01:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

## Babel-ka & user-ka

I've something wrong with the Template:Babel_ka and every page contains user-ka. (also Commons:Babel). It's only my problem? --MichałRadecki 20:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• Um, what? -Nard 20:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

## How to report image vandalism?

As far as I can make out User:Nyo vandalized this image and this one.

How do you report such vandalism?--Trounce 21:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

When you see vandalism, you can report it at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism. In this case, there is a possibility that User:Nyo just has different statistics, so you can just revert and explain to them why they are wrong. If User:Nyo keeps reverting the image, and you believe he does so in good faith, you can ask for help at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. See also Commons:Administrators' noticeboard for reporting other sort of problems. Samulili 21:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that.--Trounce 09:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

## Haida flag

I would like to request either Image:Haida_flag.png be moved to Image:Bandera Haida.PNG, or that the latter be removed in favour of the former. (I can't since my account is too new) - Io Katai 06:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)