Commons:Requests for rights/Denied/Rollback/2012

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Ramaksoud2000[edit]

I'm trusted on enwiki not to do anything stupid with it and I mostly revert vandalism there. I've reverted some vandalism here by looking through recent changes and I remembered how it wasn't so simple to revert vandalism when I didn't have rollback on enwiki. I'd like to use this to be able to revert obvious vandalism and sometimes my own mistakes. Thank you. Ramaksoud2000 (talk) 03:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 Not done Sorry, but 44 edits is by far not enough, please come back later when more experienced--Morning Sunshine (talk) 15:14, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Vitor Mazuco[edit]

I want to be a Rollback, because this rights will help me in contribue here. I'm a trusted user. Thank you. Vitor Mazuco Msg 20:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Not done you don't have enoough contribuitions to prove you're "trusted" here, by the contrary, you have a very big log who proves you need to be watched closely. Béria Lima msg 23:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Béria, isso já fez parte do passado, hoje, é diferente. Vitor Mazuco Msg 01:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Vitor Mazuco[edit]

I'm aksing again, because, User:Béria Lima did not see that I'm a trusted user. So I want this flag, for help me in my contributions. Thank you. Vitor Mazuco Msg 11:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Generally rights are handed out when they are required. What do you intend to do with this "right"? -- RE rillke questions? 13:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 Not done as I don't see a single "undo" in your latest contributions. Btw most people don't appreciate edits like these and these. Trijnstel (talk) 14:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I had just a doubt, that's why I asked to LX, and Martin. Vitor Mazuco Msg 20:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Jackie[edit]

For speedy revert wrong edtis. Thank you. -- Jackie (talk) 12:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 Not done . You only have ~50 edits on Commons and reverting edits of your own bot is not within the usual scope of rollback. Trijnsteltalk 12:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Makecat[edit]

Reverting vandalism, such as removal of license and information box. Thank you. Makecat (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 Not done - Only less than 250 edits here. Not enough experience. --Sreejith K (talk) 10:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Steinsplitter[edit]

I like to rollback Vandalismus. Thank you. Steinsplitter (talk) 10:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 Not done since you only have 293 edits here and I don't see many actions of reverting vandalism. Trijnsteltalk 14:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hindustanilanguage[edit]

I like to rollback Vandalism. Thank you.Hindustanilanguage (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC).
While you clearly have a lot of edits and therefore experience, I don't see you reverting stuff. Trijnsteltalk 18:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Reverting, like renaming, is something to be done cautiously - not overzealously. As a filemover, I've refused the renaming of non-English to English names and many other naming conventions that we follow as part of our duty. On the other hand, especially in connection with some Polish file names, I decided to rename them against my very own initial decline decision when users explained the genuine need for renaming files. So, if rollback rights are given, it doesn't mean I'll use it to the annoyance of admins and other users. By the way, I already hold Rollback and Filemove rights on other Wikis thanks to Twinkle. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 23:54, 5 August 2012 (UTC).
But you have to show a clear need to the rights on this project (to revert vandalism), not elsewhere. :) See Commons:Rollback. Trijnsteltalk 10:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
In order to acquire filemovership, I just wrote a one-liner and it sufficed the need. I understand that some of our admins have fewer edits than my humble self but they've their post because of their magnamous role on other Wikis. If that indeed is the case, then there is no reason to negate, misunderstand or misinterprete my humble request with any malafide intenstions. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 17:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC).
I fully agree with Trijnstel with respect to the cited link which says "The fact that you may have admin or rollback rights on some other wiki is not in itself sufficient" but the same page further says "although that may be taken into account provided a reasonable level of contributions here can also be shown". My colleague and admin on Hindi Wikipedia Bill william compton was probably granted these powers on Commons even though he has far lesser level of contributions on Commons. I support the decision and I request my friend Trijnstel or any other friendly admin to grant me similar rights. Regards, Hindustanilanguage (talk) 05:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC).
Then show me you could use the rollback right, as I couldn't see that in your contributions as of now. Trijnsteltalk 12:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
The primary use of rollback is for vandal fighters who, once they've identified a particularly industrious vandal, will confidently warn them and then use rollback to undo most (or all) the edits made by that vandal. It takes experience to do this. It should only be used for clear-cut cases, I understand. I've seen people changing file descriptions, going for massive DRs etc on Commons without even studying the nittygritties of the edits/ uploads, etc. Imagine the intentions of some of Commons contributors who live primarily by making DRs and also marking Copyvios - no personal uploads, categorization, etc. I hope I should be able to deal with such situations. I hope this input satisfies friends Trijnstel and Morning Sunshine as well as any other admin. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 15:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC).
Yep. I know. Correct. And you may now show me you could use the tool by reverting vandalism with the undo-button. Trijnsteltalk 15:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, I would not like to overzealously term anything as vandalism just to prove a point. But,I can point to one "undo" situation I've seen this edit done by you. The pre-undo edit is a sort of vandalism because the editor, for some reasons wants to remove the permission update done by you. Absence of permission/license makes the file vulnerable to the DR. You've reverted it. The same "undo" could be done by humble non-rollbackers like myself.It's different thing that the file was somehow tagged for deletion and tag remains in place even though the DR decision in the light of later permission received is "keep". Hindustanilanguage (talk) 10:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC).
Update on the file discussed: DR tag of the aforementioned file removed after my post.Hindustanilanguage (talk) 07:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC).
But that edit I undid as you referenced, shouldn't be rollbacked. Rollback should only be used for clear vandalism. Trijnsteltalk 12:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
I fully understand. You asked me for a case where "undo" could be used by me. So one such incident I found in your edits. I am quoting an incident already taken place by a person rather than desperately searching for one and executing it to prove a point because these options have to be used cautiously. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 23:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC).
By the way, Commons also has Twinkle, in case you are interested. --Sreejith K (talk) 04:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
If Twinkle was the only thing I was interested, I wouldn't have responded to all the above queries of my friend Trijnstel.There has to be light at the end of a tunnel and not one tunnel followed by another tunnel. If the motive of the above questions was to know my understanding of situations, then the acknowledgement of it should be at least the endorsement of my request. Thank you for intervening, Sreejith, I was pleased to note that at least one more admin is proactive on this forum, but please do not divert the discussion to a totally different and unintended direction. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2012 (UTC).
 Not done Sorry, but I still don't see why you need this right. Please use the undo-button for now and re-request it later. Trijnsteltalk 12:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
You've lesser edits on Commons than me. You asked all sorts of dangling questions and when they were replied satisfactorily, you take a u-turn and post a negative reply. I wonder where other admins are and what work they discharge. Why did Morning Sunshine grant rollback rights to Bill William and whether he ever used it on Commons? Hindustanilanguage (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC).
This kind of incivility is why I wanted the filemover right to be stripped from you, and to this date I cannot understand why that request was rejected. -- Liliana-60 (talk) 16:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
See below for my full explanation. By the way, this reply of you is very immature imo. Trijnsteltalk 16:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
While I don't have a clear picture behind why Trijnstel opposes this (no offence meant in any way), I don't see any reason why not to assign this right to Hindustanilanguage. If this user has personally asked me on my talkpage, I would've gotten over that right away. S/he has plenty of experience across wikis, and I have seen him/her quite often. In my case for instance, I have rights on other wikis which I very rarely use, but do find useful.
One golden fact which most of us frequently forget is that this is a volunteer project, and not some sort of an "organization" where we treat 'rights' as 'promotions'. If a volunteer needs access to these tools to help the project, by all means they can have it, unless there are signs that the user might misuse it (which is not the case here). A brilliant example of this is the en.wiki RFA, where running an RFA is like running for world presidency. But I would keep my comments on that to myself for now ;) So lets not make Commons like en.wiki. :) Rehman 15:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
"So lets not make Commons like en.wiki." That's not my intention. But you missed my point, I guess. Rollback is for reverting vandalism and Hindustanilanguage hasn't used the undo button or Twinkle at all (or at least not many times). Of course that's not wrong, but please then show why you could use the rights and when you would use it. He doesn't even give an example of vandalism he would've reverted. So I don't want to give rights to people who probably won't use it anyway. And then he (= Hindustanilanguage) says I'm incompetent as an admin because I rejected his request (I sure make mistakes sometimes, but this is not one of them imo). Rollback isn't a big deal, but people should at least show or explain why and when they would use it. Rights are to be used - nothing more and nothing less. You're free to give him rollback, Rehman, but I hope you understand me now. Trijnsteltalk 16:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
People who do higher research come across people like Trijnstel as supervisors, always asking for something different. The innocent -students feel it is for betterment, but it isn't. Ultimately some hapless students have committed suicide. Any impartial reading of this whole case would only reveal a frustrated approach of Trijnstel - ask what is rollback, what is undo, etc and when everything is explained say sorry, we're heading to nowhere. One more thing, I've used Twinkle on en:wp and hi:wp. I've also used undo but does showing an example from Trijnstel's own edits not sufficient? Hindustanilanguage (talk) 17:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC).
The above statement isn't doing your case any favors. Actually, it's probably hurting it rather severely. Calm down, revert vandalism with something other than rollback for a while, and come back in 6-8 weeks. You'll then have the edits to prove the experience that Trijnstel is looking for. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
In response to Trijnstel above, and to this post: Just to be clear, I did not mean to slam Trijnstel in any way, I was merely saying that there is really no harm (or in other words, more of a net positive) if this user gets the access to rollback. Nor do I make any judgements on Hindustanlanguage or any of the other users commenting. But I do want to stick to my words that a). if Hindustanlanguage did come to me (before requesting here), I would have just gotten it done. b). we should really not make requesting rights this hard, it is a really bad way forward and could seriously harm the whole idea behind the Wikimedia projects. Again, my post above was just a passerby comment. Rehman 08:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Fresh Appeal in the light of my own edit example[edit]

Hi Sven Manguard, thank you for the calm down advice. I've modified my statement and I've noticed one thing your friend asked for and which I didn't comply in my earlier postings - one example where I've used "undo" button specifically to combat vandalism. I don't recall the number of times I might have used it on Commons and else where. But one record of such of one incidence where I used "undo" I've been able to trace on the User Problems Noticeboard Discussion to combat what was termed as "blatant vandalism". I hope the objective of your friend's query coupled with this example should suffice the requirement of my request since earlier I've used your friend's example to highlight my point and now I am using the example of my very own edit using "undo" option to combat vandalism. Also, I've been quite active in fighting copyvio uploads. One such habitual uploader even threatened my very existence. Please decide in the light of these facts. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 23:52, 11 August 2012 (UTC).

  • Note: After Sven's note above Hindustanilanguage removed the blatant personal attacks and his tirade. I've restored part of it as this is a threaded discussion and else Sven's response appears to be to someone else, but left out the others as I didn't want to go around adding back the rest due to intermediate edits.—SpacemanSpiff
I regret causing inadvertent emotional harm to an Trijnstel, if I done in any of my posting. But I seriously felt the bigger picture was not taken into consideration. When Sven posted his "calm down" note, I decided to remove unneeded statements and stick to only core issue. I supplemented the much needed example which Trijnstel kept asking from my very own edits. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 07:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC).
  • I'm afraid that showing one use of undo does not suggest to me a need for rollback. Rollback is for people who do a lot of reversion of vandalism and in practice there isn't that much of it on Commons. --Herby talk thyme 07:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 Not done Sorry but you haven't shown examples where you would have needed "Rollback" over the "Undo" and another Admin has already declined the request. Bidgee (talk) 07:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I've 12000+ edits on Commons and it is difficult to trace undos, especially those pertaining to vandalism within them. But Trijnstel had asked for one example and its posted above. He also asked about the meaning and significance of rollback, and I've done that above. So the requirements of the request are met. To further impose fresh conditions and apprehensions, imho, will be a churlish move. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 07:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC).
Commons:Rollback doesn't state that you need any amount of edits (doesn't matter if you have 10,000 or 100,000), it is up to the Admin to decide if you should have the rollback tool or not but so far you have not demonstrated that it is needed and your behaviour is not helping you in any way. I suggest that you come back in a few weeks time and reapply. Bidgee (talk) 07:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Bidgee, you failed to note the fresh input of my appeal. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 07:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC).
This has been declined by two experienced people (& probably would have been declined by me). It would be far better if you moved on and when you find yourself dealing with vandalism to any degree return here after that. --Herby talk thyme 07:53, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I'll never come back again for rollback rights. But if an admin or a senior contributor ever feels something otherwise, I'll have second thinking. Bye for now friends, have a nice day - there is plenty of sunshine after a dark night. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 08:00, 12 August 2012 (UTC).

TBrandley[edit]

I have rollback rights at the English Wikipedia, and revert vandalism there. I would also like to help with vandalism here, and have access to Huggle for this, which I use all the time at English Wikipedia. Thank you. TBrandley (talk) 03:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 Not done 80 edits is insufficient--Morning (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Gwickwire[edit]

I would like to have the rollback right due to me being an active cross-wiki monitor through the SWMT and irc channels for vandalism. Thank you. Gwickwire (talk) 00:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 Not done 12 edits is not sufficient --Morning (talk) 14:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)