Commons:Wikitravel Shared transfer task force

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WMF will have a new travel site populated with content from Wikivoyage. This means that much, if not all, files from Wikivoyage Shared (their equivalent to Commons) are to be copied over to Commons. All said files can now be found on http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org. If the transfers are done haphazardly or incorrectly, the mess will takes months or years to sort out.

Coordination is also at http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Pub_%28temporary_refuge%29

Tasks[edit]

Priorities are still to be defined.

Already assigned:

  • Files available on Commons need to be called from articles with the Commons name (not possible on it and de which don't use Commons as a repo).[2]
  • Bot-import the files from flickr with suitable licenses and the files by trusted users (done by MGA73)

Open questions[edit]

For these reasons I am forming a task force to create an action plan/policy page to address the following questions:

  • Should the transfers be done automatically en masse, or should we only target the files we want and transfer those?
    • Both options, but especially the first, would lean heavily on bots. Would we just use one bot, or use several? If we use several, how do we coordinate them?
      • Do we have a bot available now that can do the transfers?
    • If we're not doing a automatic mass transfer, does everything need to be vetted (by image reviewers or in some other way), or are we trusting Wikivoyage Shared's personnel that there aren't copyvios in their image arsenal?
    • It would be safe to assume that at least for some time after the WMF absorption, people will still use the old site. After the first wave of transfers is over, what do we do about files that are uploaded to Wikivoyage Shared at a later date?
  • How are we going to handle categorization for these transfers? The categories they use are not identical to ours. Do we start from scratch or import some or all of their categories?
  • How are we going to handle templates for these transfers? The templates they use are not identical to ours. Do we start from scratch or import some or all of their templates?
    • When it comes licenses, do all of Wikivoyage Shared's licenses match up with ours, or do they have licenses we don't support?
      • Did Wikivoyage Shared do a license migration like Commons did with GDFL?
  • When Wikivoyage Shared has taken images from Commons and uploaded them there under different names (such as was done with the Nuvola stop hand icon) what do we do?
  • When there are naming conflicts (i.e. Commons and Shared each have a different file under the same name) how are these resolved?

If you are willing to work on this, please sign up below and then take your ideas to the talk page. When we get enough people, we can consider organizing our thoughts formally in some manner. Wikivoyage Shared users are, of course, invited to participate. We can't do this without both sides working together to make the transition as smooth as possible.


Sign up[edit]

If you want, you can sign up without leaving a timestamp by using only three tildes instead of four.

  • Sven Manguard Wha? - Commons admin, bot operator (not a programmer though)
  • Peter Talk 16:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC) - Wikitravel admin across a large number of language versions & Shared
  • Rein N. (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC) Wikitravel admin - Shared, Nl and Fr.
  • Pbsouthwood (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC) Wikitravel and Wikipedia editor. Probably not much use except as grunt labour if any is needed.
  • Atsirlin (talk) 18:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC) Wikitravel admin (ru). I have copied quite a few images from Commons to Shared. Now it is time to bring them back!
  • Powers (talk) -- English Wikitravel and Commons admin (I think I might be the only one who can claim that). I am well versed in both site's image policies... and their differences.
  • Jmabel ! talk - Commons admin. Not a bot operator. Not sure how much time I'll have for this, but I've got a good deal of experience with data migrations in other contexts. - Jmabel ! talk 22:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Wrh2 (talk) - Wikitravel admin, I created the backup of Wikitravel Shared and am now helping to get it imported to Wikivoyage. Withdrawing pending a conclusion to the IB legal action.
  • Jmajeremy (talk) - Wikipedia editor and planning to be a WM travel wiki editor. I'm a web developer, so could potentially help create a bot. 04:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Ymblanter, filemover on Commons, admin on WTS--Ymblanter (talk) 08:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • FASTILY (TALK) 08:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • DerFussi (talk) WV chairman of the board. We are preparing an interim migration of the WT content. Your input is very welcome. Maybe we can manage it in two steps. First merging WT:shared and WV:shared. Our shared: is very well managed (licenses, categories, hierarchy, sources). So.. dont forget the 30,000 media files on Wikivoyage. -- DerFussi (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • --Hedwig in Washington Canis lupis track.svg(Woof?) 04:35, 25 August 2012 (UTC) Uploader, editor, non-admin. Happy to grab a few categories and transfer them by hand, incl. categories. I don't like Bot-massuploads, since there has to be manual labor afterwards anyway (License, Categories, etc..) and we have enuf stuff today as it is. :-)
  • Wikitravel and Commons admin. Yann (talk) 09:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll try to help, am no bot-developer but could so some needed editing manually. Will be computer-less for about a week in early September, but other than that let me know. Shearonink (talk) 05:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Shaundd (talk) - Wikitravel admin. Can't help with bots or programming, but I can review pictures and grunt labour like that.
  • JamesA (talk) - Wikitravel and Wikipedia user. I'll happily assist with any tedious, menial tasks that no one else wants, or some image-scrubbing if needbe.
  • Nicolas1981 (talk) - Wikitravel and Wikipedia editor, wrote tools for both.
  • Elgaard (talk) - Wikitravel admin, Wikimedia contributer
  • sumone10154(talk) - Wikivoyage/Wikitravel and Wikipedia user
  • Globe-trotter (talk) - Wikivoyage/Wikitravel Shared admin
  • Romaine (talk) - Admin at Commons + Incubator and having a (AWB) bot. I am happy to help especially with templates and files. Be welcome!!
  • Legoktm (talk) - English Wikipedian / Commons user. I'm pretty fluent in python/pywikipediabot and can assist with automated migration
  • Avenue (talk) Commons admin, happy to help with the grunt work.
  • Gobbler (talk) Wikivoyage admin
  • Marek.69 talk Wikimedia contributer