Commons talk:Ancient Chinese characters/214 radicals

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Current status: done up to 亅 included.

The abbreviation used in the list[edit]

As there are some specific cases of the list, I would like to introduce a list of abbreviation:

  • n: those words do not exist in ancient Chinese character
  • j: those Japanese words do not exist in Chinese character
  • a: the alternative writing of the words
  • p: probably done (for those without images at internationalsientific.org)
  • e: problem needed to solve

Chanueting 15:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

About this list[edit]

I would like to take some notes here:

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By 左民安 , a well-known character researcher,《細說漢字部首》 stated that 亠 is appeared until Jin Dynasty(金朝), so that there is no ancient character for it. (The original text: 「亠」部是《說文》中沒有的部首。該部首最早見於金韓孝彥撰的《篇海》,本無音義。) Chanueting 14:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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Actually, the word 歺 is as same as 歹, the ancient time people would write 歺 rather than 歹. I don't know the reason yet, but I would find it later. Chanueting 13:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

巛 and 川[edit]

From internationalscientific.org, you can see that the description of the two are the same. They are same in ancient China. Besides, the former one ,巛, would only be a radical, rather than a single word as 川.

Where are the files?[edit]

Many of the radicals in the table say "Done" but there are no image files showing up on the page in the left-hand columns. How does one find these files, if they are really "done"?

There was a problem with the parser function which I now bypassed simply not checking whether images exist or not. It is ugly, but works. Before that, it would stop checking for images and thus put a X instead of the picture there. All the images with "done" in their progress column are done, afaik. Compare the web site link on which pictures actually exist and which don't. Also, the pictures can be found using the namind sceme, simply put <character in question>-<style in question>.gif or svg into the left hand search bar and it will show all the media with that character. --Tauwasser (talk) 03:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

You are right, but I don't think we would have to do what the wikipedian do as on their site. I doubt if there is some problems if anyone would link our images if we do not have any. I'd rather leave them so that the other website maintainer could write script (though I don't know how to implement that) to check if there is any image instead of crosses shown on their sites. Chanueting (talk) 15:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Missing images on internationalscientific.org[edit]

I would like to talk about the missing files on the internationalscientific.org. Although there may be some radicals are not present on the site, we would have to work on them by other measures. First I would like to try to so what Micheletb have done to File:彳-bronze.svg, may be the other part of a word could be coloured as grey. However, it should be noticed that the radical may have great difference between words as Chinese did not create words based on radicals, while radicals are used later to categorize different characters based on similar parts. Apart from the missing radical on the project page, I would like to ask you check whether there is template miss and the images that do not exist on internationalscientific.org. Clearing is needed on images like [[:File:鬥-bronze.svg], but before, we need to list them here. Leave your views here and we would like to make consensus like colour we are going to use. Chanueting (talk) 09:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, My approach of File:彳-bronze.svg was quite pragmatic : I suppose that the corresponding graphic is representative. Actually, I have never noticed differences in radicals from one version to another, which is why I took thos option of taking a composed character at random to illustrate the bronze version of the (compound) character. If such differences are observed, please leave examples here for discussion. Michelet-密是力 (talk) 20:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the difference is not the matter, but we would have to fill the gap in the table. As a matter of fact, as I stated before, radicals are only obtained from words instead of words are combined with radicals. As you can see, some parts in a word may have stroke change from one part oracle to another quite different part in seal for easier writing. We would make a standard, or colour scheme like in COM:SOP, to make our work easier. Chanueting (talk) 06:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Another possible approach is leave the gaps. We would delete the words which are not occur in the website. Since the radicals may be fully related to some words, and the radicals are different in different dictionaries. Chanueting (talk) 06:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)