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[edit] Photographs of identifiable people

Commons talk:Photographs of identifiable people#Another redraft

This important guideline on Commons has suffered from neglect, despite an WMF resolution many moons ago that we should improve and strengthen it. I know this is a little off topic, but you folks are among the brightest around, so I would very much appreciate your comments on a proposed redraft. I think it makes the guideline considerable more readable, understandable and covers some issues the current guideline lacks. The more views and eyes on this, the better. Thanks. --

[edit] POTY and FPC considerations

  • For three or four times I’ve written here about the exaggerated percentage of promotions, the need to raise the height of the FPC bar and the quality of the reviewing process. This time I will only show this little table, copied from the POTY discussion page, and won’t make any suggestions. Just a general remark: please remember that the FP star is not a quality stamp (like the QI seal) that was adjusted to a higher level of quality. Much more than that, it should identify and acknowledge exceptional pictures among the many excellent images that we now evaluate every day. In other words, the very best we have to offer or, if you like the snobish touch, la crême de la crème. Alvesgaspar (talk) 11:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
    • On the other hand, I was surprised to see the low numbers of voters for POTY some years ago. For exemple, just consider the results of POTY 2007. The winner had beeen elected with 84 votes(!) only. POTY 2012 winner will gather more than 350 votes. This increase also shows the quite good success of Wimedia Commons through time IMO. --Myrabella (talk) 12:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I can see some old players are nominating very similar pictures of existing FP of them and sometimes from the same bench of pictures taken in the same hour. FP should be (IMO) exceptional in every aspects and should be (IMO) a collection of very different type of works from various places of the world. I would like to compromise on quality if one is from an underrepresented area of place or subject. I don't like high quality FPs from the same old players again and again with their boringly repeated subjects and ideas. Further, I would like to encourage new comers here. JKadavoor Jee 12:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I share Jkadavoor's concern about the old players going on nominating the same kind of pictures over and over again (though it also applies to me...). However it is not their fault if those boring and repetitive pictures are promoted... I also agree that new themes, regions, etc, should be encouraged. But such encouragment should be done without compromising quality. Alvesgaspar (talk) 12:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Agree. I will be more careful in future. Will be more strict on qualities than mere sentimental supports. JKadavoor Jee 13:15, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I fully agree with Alvesgaspar and his considerations. I think Jebulon and me were the ones who opened up this discussion again. For me as a relative newbie on COM-FP it is hard to understand (and sometimes a bit frustrating) why those photos are featured which look VERY similiar to each other whereas other photos (especially own nominations) which are somehow special or very good from a photographic standpoint are ignored or critized due to minor issues. Let me take an example from the current POY contest:
This impression might be very subjective but I think the votes / reviews on FPC have less in common with the general opinion / "wow factor" of the overall WP community.
At the moment I see no possibility to change the vote behaviour here. It is a democratic process and the votes / assesments should be all respected (also for photos which are very similiar and IMHO uninteresting as FP)
One idea (probably already discussed earlier) could be to open the FPC process for all Wikimedia projects and not to restrict them to Commons's contributors. --Tuxyso (talk) 17:20, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
There are two issues here.
  1. Wow factor vs other considerations -- finding a balance. I think POTY generally only considers wow and those artistic merits one can see in a small reproduction. How many POTY viewers look at 100%? Perhaps they (reasonably) consider all the entries must have met some threshold for quality so that doesn't need to be a factor. They are different venues for judgement and I think it ok that different values are expressed in different venues. Whether FPC has the balance right is a good question and it does vary from person to person. There are some here who will oppose over pixel-peeping issues like CA, over-sharpening or any degree of noise -- which frankly just pisses off folk who donate full size images compared to some Flickr upload at 3MP that gets a load of WOW votes. There is a bias towards realistic lighting vs artistic lighting (not sure if that's the right term) which counts against some HDR-style pictures -- but those are the very kind to do well at POTY and WLM. I think that bias is appropriate to Commons: we are not Flickr and this isn't an art gallery. Some pictures do terribly at POTY such as poster reproductions and the museum specimens of creatures but they have a value to the project and aren't easy to take well.
  2. Same old same old There are some people here who are very good at a niche. It might be birds, butterflies, shells, fungi. There's a tendency on Commons (and Wikipedia) to value the "species identification" qualities of such images over any artistic merit. There are few pictures of birds, for example, that could be called works of art, and yet they are valuable to the project, can be very hard to take, require expensive equipment, and demand talent too. There is a fatigue element here, especially when it is the same nominator/creator. I'm not sure if that is fair but it does seem to affect voting. I would like to see more interesting pictures of birds/etc where their is either behaviour on display and/or there is strong artistic composition, even if these are at the expense of species identification qualities.
I don't understand your last point about opening up the process. Anyone from any Wikimedia project can participate here and images aren't restricted to those created by Commons users. Colin (talk) 18:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Probably I've misunderstood the sentence "Editors whose accounts have at least 10 days and 50 edits can vote". I thought that 50 edits on Commons are necessary for voting eligibility.
I agree with you that Commons is not Flickr and I also agree that the technical quality of a photo is important. Probably a problem is an equal weighting of dimensions of merit of a photo: IMHO: 80% quality, 20% wow, it should better 50:50. If you look into sociological studies on Wikipedia one finding is that the contributors are very uniform: male, between 20-40 with a great affinity to technology and IT. This selection bias is probably one part of the explanation why technical merits dominate artistic mertis. As long as the "typical contributor" can be described that way, the weighting will not change.
A constructive idea for a modification of the voting process could be to differentiate between technical quality (which can also include Wow) and artistic quality (like light, composition and artistic Wow). --Tuxyso (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
You are right about voting rights (though anyone can comment). Perhaps edits on Wikipedia could count? I think that rule is designed to prevent drive-by trolling or sock puppets and I see no reason to bar someone new to Commons who is in good standing on a Wikipedia. The artistic aspect is for me the difference between a picture of an animal in a spotter's guide, or building/artefact in a tourist guidebook (largely functional) and one in a coffee-table book. For some subjects, the former dominate and the latter are rare but would be very nice to have more of. The problem is where the wow has come from excessive manipulation or even artificially composed images (like fake sky taken from another shot, or crudely cut out white backgrounds). The WLM competition had a lot of manipulated images that make nice computer wallpaper but aren't very educational, which is Commons' purpose. In addition to population bias, we also have bias through our own skills (or lack of) as photographers and also various "bars" are set based on what we tend to get. Those biases can change, slowly. Colin (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Please no expansion of potential voters by accounts which are only active at wikipedia etc., as this would just produce more meatpuppetry on FPC imo. Actually, the eligibility to vote on FPC should become even more restrictive than it is, but that's a separate story (and probably an utopia, I know...). --A.Savin 22:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I prefer the normative power of the better argument to any kind of elitist thinking which destroys the idea of WP in the end. --Tuxyso (talk) 23:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
My two cents:
  • -Since almost 3 years I'm here, this discussion (or similar) comes here two times a year, and nothing changes, because it is simply impossible to be more precise in the rules. (Please have a look to archived pages...)
  • -The currents shells by Llez, and the current butterflies by Archaeodontosaurus (to be clear) where not nominated by the authors, but by other users... It is important to notice this at the moment.
  • -I think it is not a good way to vote "contra" because of the subject. Votes are for pictures, and only for pictures. (For instance, I strongly disagree with the lot of "telescope pictures", or US army pictures, or "Google robots", or all "official" or "institutionnal" pictures not made by "commoners" but in this case, I've decided only to comment, not to vote.)
  • -IMO, FP star is not a "super QI" tag, but something other. "Technically better than QI" is not a mandatory, if the image is "exceptional" in any way. But the meaning of the word "exceptional" depends of you. Yes it includes the famous "wow", but only among other factors.
  • -"Commons" is " Commons", and Wikipedias are Wikipedias. There is no FP in the french WP (fortunately, IMO). please don't forget there is no official link. I never (or rarely) go to enWP, and don't know what happens there. "Commons" is international, that's what I love here. As for me comparisons are irrelevant.
  • -POTY has nothing to do with FP, except that the POTY pictures are selected among FP. In FPC, we discuss, we explain, we contest, agree and disagree. In POTY, there is only a "thumb up, I like". @Tuxyso: I have a picture of mine as finalist, and I think this one is really far to be my "best of the year" among "my" FP... That is so.
  • -Everybody is free to think that any picture (with a good license etc...) is "featurable", and can nominate it. And you know what ? If you disagree for relevant reasons (in your point of view), then, oppose ! There is nothing else to do. One man (or woman, of course ! We have not enough women here), one vote, that's all.
  • -Maybe we could never forget than a support vote is an important act, not only a "clic".
  • -Sorry for this too long message and thanks for reading.--Jebulon (talk) 10:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't know how this thread ended up as a discussion about the works of Archaeo and Llez who are best friends of me and many other players here. Their (including Bp's) works are very good and worth to feature, but what is the meaning in featuring all of them? I know Archaeo is not nominating any of his works at FPC; but nowadays his works are nominated by more than one people at a time (not his fault). Once when it is questioned I expressed that I will not wonder if I see more than ten pictures of him as nomination at a time. Yes; their works are great, and we have to encourage such contributions. But I don't think there is a need to label them all as FPs. Otherwise, we may think about batch-processing them as you told about NASA/institutional pictures earlier. BTW, a negative comment is almost like an oppose except without voting. JKadavoor Jee 11:56, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • IMHO the problem lies not on the contributors but on the reviewers. For newbies the kind of reviews of some users are very deterrent and demotivating (I've experienced it myself and thought about stopping my activity at all): VERY special opinions how a good photo should look like. Those reviews are nearly always contra and do seldom contain any constructive or motivating statement. Assesments are not deliberative but solely focus on ONE single quality factor of a photo (focus, DoF, sharpness, ...) which is taken for a justification for a contra vote. The focussing on one quality factor (combined with their "reputation" in the community regarding their very very very good contribs) possibly leads to one-sided nominations and one-sided reviews. I would suggest a quality standard for reviews at least for contra votes on QI / FP :) --Tuxyso (talk) 13:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment -- I'm perfectly aware that the problem (if there is a problem) lies on the reviewing process not on the contributions. But FPC is open to everybody and it is near to impossible to overcome the "like it" prevailing culture. The way I see it is that the default sate of a nomination when entering FPC is "not promoted". Thus the process should not consist in justifying not promoting the picture but in finding strong reasons for changing the original status. For those new to these discussion, please check these old rules of mine. Alvesgaspar (talk) 12:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Time to change?

Is this the time to make an amendment at Commons:Featured_picture_candidates#Featured_picture_candidate_policy General rules 11 "Only two active nominations by the same user (that is, nominations under review and not yet closed) are allowed. The main purpose of this measure is to contribute to a better average quality of nominations, by driving nominators/creators to choose carefully the pictures presented to the forum." to "Only two active nominations by the same nominators or of the same creators (that is, nominations under review and not yet closed) are allowed. The main purpose of this measure is to contribute to a better average quality of nominations, by driving nominators/creators to choose carefully the pictures presented to the forum." I know rules are helpless when people are madly driven by blind patriotic spirit. JKadavoor Jee 05:43, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I think this makes sense, just two per person in any way, shape, form. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:50, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question What is a "person" ? is Nasa/Esa/Eso/Hubble/UsArmy/UsAirForce/Navy/any part of Us Government (nothing against, that's because of public domain of their productions) a "person" ?--Jebulon (talk) 10:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes; I mean every creators including institutions (eg: Nasa/Esa/Eso/Hubble/UsArmy/UsAirForce/Navy/any part of Us Government) and non-wikimedians (eg: travelwayoflife). And if somebody who don't like me or my work nominates two bad pictures of mine, I can "withdraw" it immediately (yes; nominator or creator (even if they are not the nominator) can withdraw their work at any moment). By ""patriotic spirit", I didn't mean to hurt anybody, but firmly point to a point (see the voting pattern in some current nominations) which is against the unified spirit of COMMONS. BTW, I didn't expect this proposal become success, because many people prefer to "oppose" anything from me without reading more that is why I didn't vote here. Anybody who has a more neutral point of view than me can represent this proposal if needed. JKadavoor Jee 13:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose strongly. If i nominate a picture of somebody else than me, I sacrify one of my two allowed nominations. That's enough for a sacrifice. Therefore, I want to remain FREE in my choice. I think the present rule is sufficient. If somebody who don't like me or my work nominates two bad pictures of mine (ok, hard to find, I know lol), I could not nominate any other picture by myself ? No question. I do "chose carefully" my nominations. I think the mention of "patriotic spirit" or "people are madly driven by blind" could be felt as rather insulting (to me), and I don't know if there is an english word for that, but in french we say that it is a(n unacceptable) "procès d'intention"... Dear Jee, sometimes, maybe, you are going to far, my friend...--Jebulon (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Is it me who gone beyond? JKadavoor Jee 13:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
    •  ?? Are you sure you really understood this message ?--Jebulon (talk) 17:47, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
      • I don't know; but this is what Google Translator delivered to me: "salvation, I hope you appreciate my efforts to live the label VI! Me anyway, I grow! And the aspect of "restoration" is fun too. I would recommend you go to turn on the FP page, it is going nasty things, one of your pictures is the starting point. It would also require you to go on the talk page of the FP, this led to a discussion which indirectly you should take, I think. Obviously nothing personal against you. Basically some (as with Alvesgaspar firebrand) say: "The butterflies Archaeo and shells llez, y 'too tired y'en I vote against." And must renew the FP, and we promoted too etc etc, in short, that debate knows, but it would fit a little. good for you - Jebulon." And all I see is a bench of people from the Wikimedia France deployed on the nomination to defend. JKadavoor Jee 04:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
        • 1)Beware of Google translator, this translation is wrong, just don't forget that the author was NOT aware of the nomination and of the following debate. Was it fair to let him ignore it ?. 2)If you "don't know", remain silent. 3)Do you really think "a bench to defend" is necessary ? 3)Do you really think that "if necessary", I've used the user talk page instead of a private mail ? This time, EoD for real, I'm tired.--Jebulon (talk) 12:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
          • EoD, as suggested; tired (I too.) JKadavoor Jee 15:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose -- If there seems to be an exaggerated number of pictures from some author, nominated by others, that probably means that those pictures are very good. Alvesgaspar (talk) 11:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose FPC need more of careful reviewers, not less candidates per photographer. --A.Savin 11:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • But it is an existing rule. JKadavoor Jee 13:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I can't see a problem. What is with our other problem: "a set of images"? Please clear this problem at first! --Alchemist-hp (talk) 19:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
    I agree that a "set" is not very well-defined. I think maybe if we diversified with featured sounds, videos, etc., we could also have a featured sets label, and keep it separate from regular FPC. Right now, each individual image in a set doesn't really have to satisfy all the FPC criteria, and there's often a lot of confusion when a set is nominated for FPC. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question May I ask you a tricky question? (Please don’t blame on me; you forced me to do so. @Archaeo: This question is quite imaginary; all characters here are quite unreal. I'm sure it is not happened so far.) I can’t nominate more than two of my works (fortunately I've not many) at a time according to the existing rule. Why I should suffer alone since most of you've many friends who are willing to nominate as many works of you for your sake? My proposal is to fix a "security hole" in the existing policy, actually triggered by the initial concern by Jeb (about institutional contributions). And I’m happy to give the credit; have no plan to make a cheap "credit war" like this. JKadavoor Jee 04:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Licence Question

I was browsing some beautiful photographs by User:Muhammad Mahdi Karim and landed on his featured photographs page. I did not see all images in the category but all the images I saw were under GFDL 1.2. I am not aware of the historic rules for Featured Pictures but the current rules prohibit images under GFDL 1.2 from being featured. What is the policy for photographs that were previously featured under this licence? -- Nossob (talk) 20:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Nothing. It was hard enough to change the requirements. There is too big of a lobby for pseudo-free licenses to change that rule retroactively. --Dschwen (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm of the view that they were nominated and reviewed in good faith under the previous criteria and so we should not apply the rule retroactively. Same goes for if/when Commons bans such licences for new uploads. Commons depends on volunteer effort and so negating past efforts (taking, uploading, nominating, reviewing) is not helpful. Colin (talk) 21:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Nothing to do for previous FPs unless a better candidate come. Then that can be treated as any other generic case. JKadavoor Jee 06:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Nossob (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Nordic cooperation

There are a huge number of very high quality photographs currently being uploaded by User:Fæ from the Nordic Cooperation that all have appropriate CC licences. See Category:Images from norden.org uploaded by Fæ. Folk may prefer to search the source website, for example this search for nature. I'm quite sure there are featured pictures among these. I wonder, however, before nominating any, whether it is worth making contact with the photographers. That might help if there are any fixes needed or larger sizes requested, etc. Colin (talk) 21:22, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Nominate a few (only a few Smile); we can review them case to case. JKadavoor Jee 06:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Delisting reform

Right now, delisting candidates are stuck at the bottom of the FPC page and few people look at them unless prodded to do so. Therefore I propose the following two changes:

  1. Run delisting candidates in the same place as regular nominations. The rules stay the same, the only thing that changes is the location. The nominator should make it clear that this is a delisting nomination so that people don't accidentally vote "support" or "oppose."
  2. Allow "delist & replace" nominations in the specific case where the current FP and the proposed replacement were derived from the same source. For modern digital camera photos, this means the exact same RAW file or unedited image. For historical images, this means the same scan. For diagrams, this means that the proposed replacement is an edit (as long as its not a whole-scale revamp) of the current FP.

My rationale for the first is, of course, to give delisting nominations more exposure. For the second, I think we've seen enough silliness with the recent nomination to change the featured version of Diliff's FP. What if (perhaps by a tiny margin) one succeeds and the other fails? Then we end up either having two nearly identical FPs, or delisting a perfectly fine FP. A combined D&R will ensure this does not happen. Note that I am not proposing to allow D&R as liberally as en.FP, and for good reason. Over there, EV is king (think of FPs there are com.FP + VI if you will), so it makes sense to replace an old image with a new, better image with the exact same EV, while here we can have two perfectly fine FPs with no problem.

(And yes, I am aware that a few editors are categorically opposed to delisting in any form. I welcome you to make a proposal to deprecate delisting if that is the case, but please do not make this the entire content of your comment in this thread.) -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Agree about the inclusion of a provision for "delist & replace" nominations; it is good for easy replacing of an inferior version. I'm not happy with the current simultaneous "feature" and "delist" nominations. Reviewers are not very interested in a "delist" request; it is usually considered as a routine task of the admins (as a cleaning up job). It is good to move them upward and merge with the regular nominations. But chances that people ignore them as now. (What about the codes required for the FPCBot?) JKadavoor Jee 06:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Would any other people like to comment? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:49, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Support, except oppose D&R restrictions as described in rest of this comment I think the Delist and replace is far too limited for historical works. If the Library of Congress releases a new, better scan of an image - which they regularly do - we should be able to delist and replace, for example. I'd say anything that's clearly the same image is fine for D&R. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:01, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
  • So you mean a D&R is OK even if the scan is different as far as it is of the same image? It sounds OK for me too. What about restorations? JKadavoor Jee 12:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
  • In the end, if people think they're better, they'll succeed at the D&R, and if not, they won't. Since it's useful to have the best version featured, I'd say they should be fully up to D&R. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
  • A "Delist & replace" procedure can be a good way to solve the specific cases mentioned above. A remark however: note that in the recent nomination which ended with changing the featured version of Diliff's FP, the nominator wasn't awarethat another version of the file had been previously featured. Same scheme occured a few time ago with another FPC. As for me, I noticed those cases trying to use the newly nominated pictures in WP articles. My point is that it could be useful to have a D&R procedure, but an issue is to identify early that another version of the same work is already FP. --Myrabella (talk) 15:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
  • The existing FPs are mentioned as "other versions" in both cases; so they can be considered as the nominator's negligence. Further, the nominators should do some homework; check the COM:Category for any existing FPs and verify that the new nomination is better than if any. JKadavoor Jee 16:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Agree—and the reviewers should read the file description as far as "Other versions", at least. --Myrabella (talk) 16:55, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Another thing it might be a good idea to be more lenient about D&Rs of is diagrams, particularly for things like SVGs made from PNGs, and revamps which primarily improve appearance as opposed to content. I can see why we'd want to prevent our hard-working diagram creators from being delisted too readily, but... Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • By the way, I'm totally open to a more liberal D&R policy. I was just worried some people might be against it. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Probably; if one contributor try to replace another contributor's work. :) JKadavoor Jee 15:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, replacing one person's photo with another person's photo should be a no-no. --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:22, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I also think these changes are cruical and required. Tomer T (talk) 08:45, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: By the way, there is a two-per-nominator limit for FP nominations at one time, so are we going to put a limit on delisting nominations? --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • For me is a delisting nomination only an unnecessary nonsense. A FP-status is simply a timestamp. We cannot turn back the time. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I actually agree with that. This should be solved by coding the FP category with a year number, i.e. Category:Featured pictures in 2009 . --Dschwen (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
      • What about re-edited versions of the same image? You think we should have two almost identical featured pictures? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
        • No, but we do not need delisting for that. This generates twice the work necessary. Just nominate the new one as a replacement for the old one. Then you only need one voting process. --Dschwen (talk) 03:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
          • So you mean only D&R is required; no simple Delists? I too not comfortable with a delist if no better image available at that time. But if "replacing one person's photo with another person's photo should be a no-no", then the situation is very difficult. I expect more maturity from our senior contributors if some body come with a better picture to replace their's. I wish many new comers will arrive and replace all of my FPs. JKadavoor Jee 04:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
          • OK, so you agree with #2, good. However, with #1, nothing is being changed other than the placement of delisting noms. As I said, if you want to get rid of delisting noms altogether then make that proposal. But for #1 we are deciding the question: Given that delisting noms are to take place, where should they occur? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
  • This proposal has been stale for weeks and I think it's gained enough support for implementation in its original form, except that for D&R new scans are allowed in addition to the ones listed. Thoughts? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I think you can proceed since no one oppose the idea. The only disagreement is about the entire delist concept (Alchemist-hp and Dschwen) which is not in the scope of this discussion. JKadavoor Jee 12:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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