Commons talk:Staying mellow

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todo list[edit]

  • A lot of stuff in here needs blue links... there are a lot of things referenced in passing that should be followed up with links (the tool efforts, more of the nifty galleries, the translation efforts, advice about disputes, etc etc etc).
  • More expansion on the what to/what not to do lists.
  • Find the essay box, I think we have one? I did not find one so I made one at {{essay}} ++Lar: t/c 18:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • More see also stuff...

++Lar: t/c 15:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Namespaces? User vs project[edit]

I wonder, couldn't essays be put in the user namespace? I dislike how it works on English Wikipedia, where essays are being referred to as if they were policies. This is just a thought, what do you think about it? / Fred J (talk) 15:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I on the other hand like the notion of essays (once edited by more than one person) being in project space not user space. So I'd favour it being in Commons: ... but have no STRONG opinion on it. (We already started a shortcut to it with COM:MELLOW though. It was a running joke for a while, then I decided to make it real.) ++Lar: t/c 15:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I understand. So what do you think about me creating an essay called "COM:DONTMELLOW" :-)
(and please don't "WP:POINT" me, or I'll "WP:AGF" your ass!!!! ;)
Fred J (talk) 17:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Only if I can create Commons:Be mellow... or else! LX (talk, contribs) 19:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Every essay needs an equal and opposite counter-essay so ya, go for it, both of yas... make my day! do you feel lucky? You gotta ask yourself, did I write 5 essays already today, or was it 6??? well huh! do ya feel lucky? do ya? ++Lar: t/c 20:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

LX, please observe Commons:Always make mellow death threats. Giggy 07:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I got my own essay started... ;)
Fred J (talk) 12:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

As long as it's not in the main space or somewhere non-nonsensical like in the category or MediaWiki namespaces, I think it's fine. Putting it the user space does deter other editors and it's not really specific to any one editor. It's about the project itself, so the project's namespace seems suitable. I do think instead of writing your own you should add to this one (unless you totally disagree with it). Rocket000 14:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, nevermind. I just read your essay :) Rocket000 14:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
For those not willing to troll Fred J's contribs, it is Commons:Not staying mellow ++Lar: t/c 17:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I just used the COM:DONTMELLOW link above. :) Rocket000 17:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not your home wiki[edit]

The essay says "This is not your home wiki." The problem is that, to some of us, Commons is our home wiki. Does that mean we are exempt from following this page?? ;-) --Boricuæddie 03:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No. :) ++Lar: t/c 03:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Instead of whinging why don't you fix it to say "for most of you, this is not your home wiki" ??? Møøse 03:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
That fellow is not very mellow. The persons responsible for the release of the møøse need to be sacked. He has a point though, it seems like a good change. ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 :-) It's been changed by Pfctdayelise. It's my home wiki, too. Rocket000 14:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Mellollity[edit]

Colors of things, names, titles, which lang to use? None of that really really matters.

Hm, maybe someone should explain why, because I think those things frequently do matter.

I am all for staying cool but just to note, this essay almost sounds like it is veering into flippancy, which is like "your concerns are not serious, or worth taking seriously", which is a pretty arrogant attitude. If something is important to someone else we should at least take their concern seriously, even if it is not important to us personally. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that refers more to the project itself. Of course, they may be important to users, but not something that deserves huge arguments over (here). It seems in line with our general mindset where we suggest just uploading a new file (or fixing it) if you disagree instead of making a big issue over it. Rocket000 14:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't at all want this essay to be flippant. I want it to be lighthearted but I think it's making a very important point... (else I would not have written it and asked others to help with it) To be a really successful user here, you have to be laid back about stuff. More so than at your "home wiki", even (for those of us that have home wikis elsewhere... as commons grows in neatness there are more and more users for which this is home, which is pretty cool, but I digress)... if that section is coming off arrogant, please Please PLEASE help fix it. There is a balance to be had here... stuff is important and it matters, but still, we should not get worked up about it, and we need to realise that what seems important to US may not be as important to others. Recognising that, and at the same recognising that because WE don't think it's important doesn't mean others agree (two sides of the same coin) is not easy. Nor is putting it into words that strike the right tone. But really, that italian flag kerfluffle kind of upset me, that people were so passionate and could not see why others did not think it was absolutely vital that it be solved ... insufficient mellow. ++Lar: t/c 17:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I thought the "really really" part gave it the right tone, but the Italian flag thing did get to me too (obviously) so I'm not the best judge right now. Maybe it should be reworded but I wouldn't know what to. It does belong in some form or another, though. OTOH, what you think doesn't really matter!! ;-) Rocket000 17:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
What upset me about the Italian flag discussion, if anything, was that people didn't acknowledge how important the issue was to those who were upset. We (Commoners) should recognise that almost anything that is important to local project users will be more important to them than it is to us. So I would say, expect people to be upset about any given issue, and find ways of helping them express that without hyperbole or personal attacks. Then we can get to the heart of the issue and try to address it. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with that, do you have a suggested wording? ++Lar: t/c 17:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Question about not mellow = "awarding" a bad faith barnstar[edit]

Please see related discussion at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Drmies_.3D_use_of_bad_faith_barnstar_via_WikiLove_function.

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 02:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)