File talk:Flag of Australia.svg

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Contents 1 Shade of red 2 Flag colours 3 Hungarian description 4 Categories

[edit] Shade of red

This isn't an urgent thing, this idea will probably just simmer in the background. The shade of red according to the Australian Government (last updated May 25, 2006) is Pantone 185C, though this red on the flag at the moment, looks a bit dark. I've added a note to this effect to Commons:Pantone color chart/British flag colours.

By Commons:Pantone color chart/British flag colours we'd get white/280C/185C

white

#00247D

#E60D2E

compared to what we have at the moment, which are the same colors that were on the first version of Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg, which has specs for white/280C/186C:

white

#002B7F

#CE1126

swatch idea copied from Jacobolus at this page

Should the colors be changed? Yaddah 02:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The Australian Government Style Guide (http://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn45358) states the following colors for when the Australian Flag is depicted on web sites:

white

#00008B

#FF0000

I've therefore redrawn the flag as follows:

1. Adjusted colors to these RGB specs;

2. Grouped elements by colour (Blue, White and Red);

3. Scaled and integrated the elements of the Union Flag into the design;

4. Removed any references to the Union Flag's divergent RGB colors;

5. Redrew white portions of the Union Flag. These previously comprised four mirrored elements, whose oddly shaped inner corners were hidden beneath the red elements when the file was viewed, but which were visible if the file was used elsewhere and the white elements were viewed separately.

6. Recalculated coordinates of the scaled Union Flag elements, and verified accuracy of star coordinates. Ian Fieggen 08:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Update: I've now uploaded my new version: "Flag of Australia RGB.svg" (since deleted).

The question now arises as to whether this version should be adopted as the "standard", and if so, whether I should upload it over the top of the current Flag of Australia.svg (this has since been done). I wouldn't like to breach etiquette, so I'll await confirmation before overwriting Dbenbenn's file. Ian Fieggen 02:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you breached etiquette, since you demonstrated good faith and explained the changes on the talk page---you have nothing to worry about there!

WRT the flag, while I have no issue with the new flag itself (it is based on an official source, after all), it might pose issues when compared to the rest of the flags which are generally colored on the Pantone-based/or similar scheme (Pantone opens up a whole other can of worms like RGB/CMYK/color space in general, etc). As long as there is some justification I'd say you'd have a valid defence if challenged... not that I'm saying you're not right :D.

Also btw the Union Flag's mirrored elements were there for code efficiency---I think its well known that no program implements SVG (version 1.whatever) perfectly, with Inkscape, Adobe-programs, RSVG etc all having their own implementations which they believe to be correct---so any percieved difference, are probably the renderer's fault.

ButterStick 01:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it. You may be interested in the color discussion that is still running on the Australian Wikipedians Notice Board.

By the way, I had no problems with the fact that the previous version used mirroring - in fact, I did so myself in the new version for the sake of efficiency. The problem was the way the elements were constructed and mirrored in that they did not fully overlap. This was not a rendering problem - look at the code and you can determine this in the coordinates. If the red elements were removed, this lack of overlap was visible as large angled "slices" cutting into the straight cross.

As there may be people using the .svg file for other purposes, such as constructing an actual flag from blue, white and red pieces, I saw these incomplete segments as a potential problem. In any case, I was rewriting the file anyway, and my changes actually ended up simplifying the code somewhat in the process.

For anyone interested, ButterStick has since uploaded Flag of Australia (converted).svg, which incorporates the converted Pantone colors that more closely approximate the actual flag colors in real life. This gives everyone the ability to choose between the official "bright" version or the unofficial "natural" version. Ian Fieggen 00:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag colours

I did some internet searching and found this discussion page at Flags of the World (FOTW). Apart from providing an interesting history of the Union Flag, it contains a discussion in which there seems to be some consensus on the best representation of the colours in RGB. To quote:

"After an intense discussion enlightened mainly by Graham Bartram, we sort of decided that the best browser-safe approximates for the union jack colors are RGB:204-0-0 for red and RGB:0-0-102 for blue (plus RGB:255-255-255 for white, of course!), that is our FOTW equivalences for dark red (R+) and very very dark blue (B+++)."

Though these look dark, they do indeed seem to closely resemble any printed flag I've ever seen and most representations on the web. By contrast, the bright version of the Australian Flag in use on Wiki Commons looks quite tacky in comparison. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.16.222 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, this RGB colouring is an officially provided one, so someone in the Australian govt obviously thought of the situation of showing the flag using RGB. If you follow that link about FOTW equivalences, they are not designed with colour fidelity in mind---the colours on FOTW are to describe rather than show various flags. 118.90.113.2 14:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian description

Please add {{hu|Ausztrália zászlaja}} to the description. Thank you, Bence'Talk 07:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

• Added. odder 21:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

This file should be added to Category:SVG sovereign state flags. Homo lupus (talk) 07:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Added. odder 22:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

This file belongs also to Category:Southern Cross flags. --Sarang (talk) 09:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Added, thank you for your help. Patrícia ^msg 19:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)