File talk:Flag of Europe.svg

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"The Council of Europe owns the intellectual property of the European flag." Specifically what "intellectual property"? Copyright, design, what? And can we have references for the relevant registry/ies please? You have to realise that "intellectual property" doesn't have any precise legal definition. Hairy Dude 01:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's copyright, apparently. Fixed. Hairy Dude 01:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

If it's copyright, then shouldn't it be deleted? --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 15:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

There's no real source for those statements as such, and I don't think it applies any more than other flags in that sense.- J Logan ^t: 16:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not the flag of Europe

I'd like to remind everyone that Europe, the European Union and the Council of Europe are different things. What this image depicts is the flag of the European Union and the Council of Europe, not the "flag of Europe". There is currently confusion on this point in the filename, on the description page and inside the SVG file itself. Cheers. —Bromskloss (talk) 12:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no 'confusion' thank you, do not treat the people here like idiots. The file name is a compromise for practicality - you can't call an image something stupidly long line "Flag of the European Union and the Council of Europe" for practical reasons and equally it is idiotic to have to separate files displaying the same thing. Please read through the previous debates on this.- J Logan ^t: 00:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Please, keep a civil tone. A long image name like that is perfectly fine. As we have seen, it is the name of the article about the flag. We should call things for what they are even if an alternative name would be shorter. One thing I like about Wikipedia is that there has often been an effort to be very correct on matters like this. I understand from your talk page that you are enthusiastic about the EU, but you have to acknowledge that the EU does not make obsolete the concept of Europe. It is made very clear from the fact that the EU does not include every country in Europe, but even if it did, the continent and the union would be different things.

Oh, I don't know why I bother. I'll go do something else than wiki. If some brave soul will keep up the tradition of correctness, my best wishes to you! —Bromskloss (talk) 23:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

1) It is your tone I do not find civil, I do not indent to be uncivil about this. 2) The article was changed in the same manner as it is being brought up here, it is currently in debate and the page is protected. 3) My enthusiasm extends only to interest, this is not europhillic dreaming and I detest my attitude being characterised as such. 4) Of course the EU does not make obsolete the concept of Europe, but the CoE intended the flag for representation of Europe as a whole and includes all but one major European country itself - it is that intent which legitimises the use of Europe (even though there is no need considered the precedent set by Antarctica). 5) The articles can worry about being correct, the Commons should be more concerned about being of practical to editors. Aside from having to deliver a long obscure title every time, it would also require correcting the hundreds of articles using this link not long after they had to all be changed to the current agreement.- J Logan ^t: 23:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Flag of Europe is wrong and biased name, the file should be renamed. --Dezidor (talk) 15:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Both CoE and EU use the term "European flag" when referring to this flag. It seems to me that their interpretation is that this flag does not represent the organizations, but a higher order "Europe" entity. They use the flag because they are organizations based around Europe, but it's not their flag. While it doesn't 100% justify the current name, it would mean that calling this the "Flag of the CoE and EU" would also be inaccurate. Kelvinc (talk) 03:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)