File talk:Flag of Serbia.svg

Real flag[edit]

The real flag of Serbia is Image:Flag of Serbia.png. Can someone please upload that flag over this one. --Sasa Stefanovic (talk) 04:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This image should be moved into the name Image:Serb national flag.png because is national flag of Serbs and not anymore flag of Serbia. --Millosh 20:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made move: The old "Flag of Serbia.svg" is now Image:Serbian ethnic flag.svg (which the flag is; cf. Panslavic flag; from time to time Serbia had it's own ethnic flag as a state flag). This flag is in this moment Flag of Serbia and image Image:Flag of Serbia.svg is not necessary anymore because not any other cultural or natural entity is called Serbia and claims that this is it's flag. --Millosh 23:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you screwed it up, and badly at that.

The version without CoA is one of the official version of the flag of Republic of Serbia, intended for popular use (unless there's a constitutional change that I failed to see, although I did follow the process).
When you do such a move, please fix the incoming links everywhere. en:Flag of Serbia is screwed.

I'm reverting the move. Duja 08:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blue colour[edit]

It should be mentioned as well, that the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia has two colour schemes of the Symbols of Serbia the two being: One printed with the Recommendation (available as a pop-out) at the link (http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/content/lat/akta/akta_detalji.asp?Id=112&t=O) but this pop-out appears only when using the link that follows after these words in Serbian, in bold (Vizuelni izgled grba i zastave, kao i tekst himne mozete da pogledate) by clicking onto the word (ovde). The word ovde is red coloured as well as bold.

Or just follow the link http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/content/lat/help/grb-himna_lat.htm

And other, unofficial graphical standards at (http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/content/lat/o_skupstini/simboli/simboli.asp)

The difference of the two is obvious but also the strength of those two as proofs. Namely the Recommendation has been passed in the National Assembly with the same procedure as it is the case of a law. This is stipulated in the Rules of Procedure of the National Assembly.

The graphical standards book (file Grb_Zastava_Standardi.pdf) are dated 2004-08-28 at 09:20:31 hh:mm:ss; the author has not been named and the official level is not certain. Even if this file is presented at the web-page of the greatest authority in Serbia, this file is just a presentation and a possible source, as well as all others.

We have no basis for categorical claims that these graphical standards are official, not until a decision of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia has been passed like the Decision on ascertaining the original (first original) Coat of arms of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and on the graphical standard for its representation (in original: Odluka o utvrdjivanju etalona (izvornika) grba Savezne Republike Jugoslavije i grafickom standardu za njegovo prikazivanje ("Sluzbeni list SRJ", br. 89/93).

The Government of Serbia has this colour schematic (same as what was printed with the Recommendation, as attachments):

National Flag: (http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/imageblock_popup.php?id=12088)
State Flag: (http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/imageblock_popup.php?id=12089)
Standard of the President of the National Assembly (http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/imageblock_popup.php?id=12095)
Standard of the President of the Republic: (http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/imageblock_popup.php?id=12096)

Pay attention on the numbering 1/2, 2/2, 1/2, 2/2; which follows the id of the php document.

All images together at (http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/article.php?id=12084) (bottom of the page).

The representation of Symbols of Serbia at the above Governmental page is very much different than those at Commons.

Which way? National Flag displayed first (left), then State Flag and below those Standard of the President of the National Assembly first (left) and then Standard of the President of the Republic second (right). The Recommendation confirms the order, by which National Flag comes first.

And which is more important, usage of the correct colour of dark blue is on both of those (Parliament and Government) pages. The blue colour used at commons is not correct, it is dubious and should be changed to the real colour blue of the Serbian Flag.

The President of the Republic of Serbia use outsourcing to the pages of the National Assembly and the Government.

Rainman 21:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a precise color set for the Serbia flag yet. I have some emails from the FOTW list about the Serbian flag being finalized in the technical details. Plus, not to mention, the image has been locked because of the debate between arms vs. no arms. I feel this needs some more discussion before another change is done. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 07:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Serbia has de jure two flags. The two being:

National Flag of Serbia (or most official and formal National Flag of the Republic of Serbia)
State Flag of Serbia (or most official and formal State Flag of the Republic of Serbia)

I think that the Image:Flag of Serbia.svg should be moved to a new name - State Flag of Serbia.svg

This would solve a lot of problems but create new ones.

flagicon template uses characters "Flag of" at the begining for the identification.

Because that fact (flagicon) we should have:

Flag of Serbia (State).svg
Flag of Serbia (National).svg

In the official translation of the Constitution of Serbia those two are mentioned and not translations like Civil Flag of Serbia or Flag of Serbia (civil) - this would not be in order using terms like Flag of Serbia (civil) when this terminology is not used in the official translation of the Constitution and National Flag of Serbia is used in the Serbian Constitution.

Rainman 17:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Supposed colour set[edit]

Furthermore that graphical standard on its page 7 of 11 (in total) in the last sentence clearly state; and I quote, "Boje prikazane na ovoj strani nisu potpuno verne originalnim, pa su zato date numeričke vrednosti.", end quote.

In direct translation (unofficial translation) from the Serbian original: "Colours shown on this page are not completely faithful to the original (master copy), so numerical values are given.".

These numerical values were given:

- PANTONE®
Red: 193c
Blue: 287c
Yellow: 116c
Black
- CMYK
Red: C 0, M 90, Y 70, K 10
Blue: C 100, M 55, Y 0, K 0
Yellow: C 0, M 10, Y 95, K 0
Black: K 100

But these numerical values are not at all standard colour of the Serbian Flag and can be interpreted in hundreds of ways. These values are not official; they are just a helping hand for those who will interpret them correctly.

In the worst case one should look for comparisons - like when Serbian President met Russian President; then the colours were identical.

Rainman 17:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just went ahead and used the CMYK colors. That should be fine. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well better, Inkscape crunched other values when I calculated. This will do if you do not approve the real colours as shown here. -- Rainman 21:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any chance that National Flag of Serbia would be updated also, and that Naval Ensign of course. -- Rainman 21:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Already did the national flag, will do the ensign later. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What does the naval ensign look like? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The one at en:Flag of Serbia is a preety good guess. -- Rainman 00:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is mis-identified. There is a "naval flotilla" but that is not an official ensign to my knowledge. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 09:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That river flotilla can (through Danube) reach Black See. The Conclusion of the Government stated that older laws and by-laws of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (latter State Union of Serbia and Montenegro) are still valid. -- Rainman 19:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Colours[edit]

Whoa the flag is now pink-blue-white. Colours are wrong. Please download CMYK http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/images/Srbija-Drzavna_zastava-4.5x3m-cmyk.cdr or Pantone http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/images/Srbija-Drzavna_zastava-4.5x3m-Pantone.cdr and see for yourself. --Avala 10:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I got the CMYK colors from [1]. I plugged the numbers in Inkscape and that is what it gave me. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously it's wrong, colours are now incorrect for whatever reason. Please use the premade cmyk http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/images/Srbija-Drzavna_zastava-4.5x3m-cmyk.cdr. --Avala 17:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then I have users from Serbia telling me to go back to the national law colors. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that as no one will ask you to return pink-blue flag. Please don't use these colours, it's a obviously a mistake in that file as these colours are completely wrong. As you can see people are already reacting. --Avala 18:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have users from Serbia right now telling you to go back to anything but the purple. Nikola 20:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those images that you use are the same as the images from the Book of Graphical Standards, in that graphical standards it is written (among other) on the page 7 of 11 (in total); in the last sentence; and I quote, "Boje prikazane na ovoj strani nisu potpuno verne originalnim, pa su zato date numeričke vrednosti.", end quote.

In direct translation (unofficial translation) from the Serbian original: "Colours shown on this page are not completely faithful to the original (master copy), so numerical values are given.".

Rainman 19:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The images from the Book of Graphical Standards are most certainly not the same as the .cdr files offered for download; and in any way, the book recommends those CMYK values for printing only. Quote, just above the sentence you are quoting: "Use of special colors from Pantone scale is recommended. Process colors are used with standard four-color offset printing (CMYK)." [emphasis mine]. Pantone colors look quite different from CMYK (and, quite similar to the .cdr files). Nikola 21:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the book is unofficial, then why the hell is it hosted on the website of the Serbian Parliament? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because colours from book are better for print, I guess... For online use we have to find satisfactory solution. Obviously colours which are now on the actual image are pinky. --Slaven Kosanovic 19:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The book is not unofficial. Yet your interpretation of the book is wrong. From the page two:

Use of special colors from Pantone scale is recommended. Process colors are used with standard four-color offset printing (CMYK).

Since computer screens are not offset printing, the colors don't look the way they should. Please return the flag to the version downloaded from the parliament's website. Nikola 20:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Colours 2[edit]

I agree with everything said. If now the last edit could please be reverted. --Avala 17:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You agree with yourself only. Those .cdr files are not the proscribed versions but very possible "great" work of some over eager web-site admin who drawn those images. The book of graphical standards is unofficial (as stated in the graphical standards itself) the colour are way off from the traditional Serbian Colours, you can look all over the Internet and you would find those traditional colours used. The colours that came with the Recommendation and the Conclusion are the ones that you should use. -- Rainman 20:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"very possible "great" work of some over eager web-site admin who drawn those images" - that is not the best attitude towards official institutions of one country nor such claims help you sound like you are looking for a professional solution. Those files are the official material of the National Assembly of Serbia. --Avala 20:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then explain why this insistance on using something that doesn't exist in reality. Most of flags of Serbia use ordinary blue and with respect to the fact that those colours are only candidates for the real colour of the Serbian Flag. Preaching about the disrespect is interesting but is very much not true. The Recommendation and the Conclusion came with a lot darker blue colour than those images you reffer to. Have you seen the wall of Serbian flags in front of which Boris Tadic receives foreign dignitaries. It is much much darker blue. Do you really think that someone in Serbian Parliament controls what web-designers do. This is what I'm talking about. There is no sufficient evidence (other than those images) that the flag of Serbia should be so light. The people use somewhat darker colours and with respect to the sittuation namely that Serbia is officialy without a flag and the Constitution prolonged the use of laws that were passed before the Constitution (with the 31 Dec 2008 as the deadline for harmonization of laws with the Constitution). So because of that fact we should use the colour as were used before the Recommendation and before the Conclusion because the Recommendation and the Conclusion and the Constitution have not defined any change in that aspect. -- Rainman 21:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All this is your talk and you have no proof for your arguments. I give you the website of the parliament - http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/content/cir/o_skupstini/simboli/simboli.asp And I am referring to this page with state symbols not the website header which is in the hands of the web designer but the official material found on the link I supplied --Avala 21:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you looked at the begining of this discussion? There have been cited numerous source like http://www.parlament.sr.gov.yu/content/lat/help/grb-himna_lat.htm this source from the National Assembly of Serbia (a.k.a. Parliament of Serbia) and from official governmental sources http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/article.php?id=12084 (at the bottom of the page). -- Rainman 23:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All of those sources have been attached to the decisions which established Symbols of Serbia like the Recommendation on the use of the coat of arms, the flag and the anthem of the Republic of Serbia (available here, in Serbian] and the Conclusion on the use of the coat of arms, the flag and the anthem of the Republic of Serbia (available here, in Serbian). -- Rainman 23:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And those website headers are important because they look very much alike and use dark blue colour. To repeat - on the all of the webpages of the Serbian Government, Serbian Parliament, Serbian Constitutional Court you can find header images with flags of Serbia that use dark blue colour. As at least medium blue colour. -- Rainman 23:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All this talk is a bunch of nonsense.

Most of flags of Serbia use ordinary blue

Says who? You?

and with respect to the and the fact that those colours are only candidates for the real colour of the Serbian Flag.

What does this even mean?

The Recommendation and the Conclusion came with a lot darker blue colour than those images you reffer to.

Which shade of blue exactly? How do you know that?

Have you seen the wall of Serbian flags in front of which Boris Tadic receives foreign dignitaries. It is much much darker blue.

No, and neither have you.

Do you really think that someone in Serbian Parliament controls what web-designers do.

Yes, I do think that someone in Serbian Parliament controls what web-designers of the official web-site of the Serbian Parliament do.

There is no sufficient evidence (other than those images) that the flag of Serbia should be so light.

Is there sufficient evidence for anything else?

The people use somewhat darker colours

How do you know that?

and with respect to the sittuation namely that Serbia is officialy without a flag

What the hell are you talking about? Nikola 22:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All this talk is a bunch of nonsense.
— Nikola Smolenski

I beg to disagree. Talk is not cheap. Not when we all as volunteers give our sourced oppinons. But maybe you learned that kind of language at your home so we must not judge you personally but rather social processes that led to your oppinion. -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Says who? You?
— Nikola Smolenski

No there are many people who think alike, and work hard to represent sourced oppinons like this one. -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That link doesn't say anything about the shades of the colors. Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What does this even mean?
— Nikola Smolenski

I have re-written that sentence which I wrote to Avala but the meaning is, if that is your question, that current symbols are formally speaking candidates for the "job" as per oppinion of a Belgrade publicist Milorad Tomanić as stated here. -- Rainman 00:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That opinion is irrelevant as it is made before the new constitution of Serbia, and in any way it too doesn't say anything about the shades of the colors. Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which shade of blue exactly? How do you know that?
— Nikola Smolenski

Look at the National Assembly of Serbia web-site, there you would find the Recommendation and in the bottom of that page where you can download the Recommendation from is the link that leads to symbols that have been published with the Recommendation. And if you do not belive look at the http://www.sluzbenilist.co.yu/ for the Recommendation at the search engine, go to the library or any govt. office and read the Recommendation from its source. People all around the world can read it as well but they have to pay for the subscription on the Official Gazette of Serbia. -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at that page numerous times, and I don't see how it supports your opinion. Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, and neither have you.
— Nikola

Yes I have seen it on TV, and so did you (if you watch TV). We receive satellite TV from Serbia. -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, how are you going to make flags on Commons match flags you've seen on TV, and how are we going to know that the colors match? By your personal feeling? Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do think that someone in Serbian Parliament controls what web-designers of the official web-site of the Serbian Parliament do.
— Nikola

Well our oppinions may differ and your trust to the clarks of the Serbian institutions is considerable and commendable but have you heard anything about the corruption in Serbian institutions have you listened to the candidates in the elections of the President of Serbia. Do you know how the courts work in Serbia, how the Government works. How lazy clarks and officals are. Please do not spread optimism where non applies. I know that in all of the countries of the former Yugoslavia we have lousy govt. and lousier govt. officials. This means no disrespect for the countries that formed out of what was frm Yugoslavia. They simply (the web-designers) do not know vexillology, heraldry or and other stuff like history and law. All they know is some HTML or XML or PHP. Nothing else. Maybe few graphical programs. -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. How could we know that what you do is any better? Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there sufficient evidence for anything else?
— Nikola Smolenski

Yes there is look at the page Zastava Srbije at Serbian Wikipedia. Even there people that edit that page claim that traditional Serbian colours exist and that they were honoured in the years of SFRY. Much other proofs can be read in this discussion at the headline named Blue colour (this is the first headline of this talk page). -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is not. Such a headline does not exist. Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know that?
— Nikola Smolenski

Searching the Net, watching TV and reading legal documents. We all know that this is a re-design of the State gone bad. Especialy those colours that are too light -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don't know that. I don't know that first of all. Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it is obvious that the colours must be darker. -- Rainman 00:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whom is it obvious to? Darker than what? Nikola 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So we conclude that we are going to use the version you find suitable and not the official version because hey clerks at the parliament were to lazy to draw the correct version (says you), that the TV shows different colours (says you) and because some journalist wrote a column in newspaper in 2004 discussing the matter and you call the talk on serbian wikipedia a sufficient evidence. Yes I still believe that we should believe the official material more than those proofs you give. And also the PD tag applies only to that specific file downloaded from the website of the parliament. If you change it it's not their work anymore and new tag should be added. --Avala 11:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your revertment war and start discussing Avala pictures on this talk page are meant to be talked over and not reverted. If you do not approve them and wish to change the colours on en:Flag of Serbia then use Flag of Serbia (bordered) or upload your version on some other name. These images that appear in this talk page are used in a talk at en:Talk:Flag of Serbia. So please stop changing them. -- Rainman 20:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recommendation colour are better than that unofficial Book of Graphical Standards[edit]

Colours used for these flags have official sources and calculated standards.

- Red
Pantone Warm Red C
CMYK 0-85-100-5
R242 G36 B0
RGB #F22400

- Blue
Pantone Reflex Blue C
CMYK 90-60-0-45
R14 G56 B140
RGB #0E388C

- Yellow
Pantone 116 C
CMYK 0-20-100-0
R255 G204 B0
RGB #FFCC00

See bottom of this Govt. page [2] or this National Assembly of Serbia [3] -- Rainman 19:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About the colours used in Recommendation[edit]

I would like to remind everyone of the case of Polish flag. Even though some book suggested colour codes that make gray-red flag in the end everyone agreed that Polish flag is white-red. So these codes make pink-blue-white flag but the common sense and variety of sources including the parliament and government oblige us to use the red-blue-white flag. --Avala 20:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean those under the Supposed colour set headline/title. Or? -- Rainman 01:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is ridiculous. The pages you are linking to are completely non-authoritative, flags and coats of arms are having different colours even on a single page. The Book of Graphical Standards is not unofficial - it's not a law or a regulation, but it is as official as it gets. Nikola 20:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But the Book of Graphical Standards says that it is unofficial and that the colour are off. Use the traditional colours of the Serbian tricolour, you wouldn't miss. -- Rainman 01:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, the Book of Graphical Standards does not say that it is unofficial, and in any way, what are the traditional colours of the Serbian tricolour? Nikola 20:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now, I am looking the flag on two different monitors, (first is calibrated and the second is not) on first the colours are OK, and on the second red colour is pinky. So, I have to conclude that colour-flag accuracy in this case depends of each monitor adjustments. That could be problematic, because so much people use uncalibrated monitors. --Slaven Kosanovic 21:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This one, above this text look OK, but it's not same as that one on front page. Thats more pikny. I would prefer this one here.--Mile 21:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For that flag that Mile approves (above the text and in the same level as the headline of this text) - for that flag every colour standard gives you the same result. These colours are perfectly equall - no matter what colour standard you use. -- Rainman 01:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Official status of the Symbols of Serbia[edit]

As asked by Nikola Smolenski.

What the hell are you talking about?
— Nikola

By-laws of the Republic of Serbia must be in accordance with the law and with the Constitution. Recommendation was not in accordance with the Constitution of the Republic of Serbia at the time. Now there is a new Constitution of the Republic of Serbia which defines that the matter should be resolved by a law. It is speculated that such a law should be passed with 2/3 of the vote in the National Assembly and that the law would be an "organic" one.

Some would say that the newest symbols of Serbia were accepted by the Recommendation (dated 17th of August 2004.), some would say that the question was finally resolved by the Constitution of Serbia (8th of November 2006.) but the Constitutional Law on the implementation of the Constitution of the Republic of Serbia (11th of November 2006.) defined that the previous Constitutional Law (of the same name) is out of legal power thus the article that prolonged use of the Coat of arms and the Flag of the Socialist Republic of Serbia became not valid. But that same Constitutional Law (of 11th November 2006.) stipulated in its 12th Article that all the laws and all the by-laws are in legal power as long as needed to be harmonized (coordinated, adjusted) with the provisions of the Constitution. All of the laws and all of the by-laws that are in legal power (part of the legal system) are to be harmonized with the Constitution in a general deadline of 31st December 2008.

Recommendation on the use of the Coat of arms, the Flag and the Anthem of the Republic of Serbia have not put out of legal power the Recommendation on the use of the Flag of the Republic of Serbia (original: Preporuka o koriscenju zastave Republike Srbije (“SG RS”, br. 49/1992. str 1666. broj odluke 1188).

Law on the use of the Coat of arms of the Socialist Republic of Serbia (original: Zakon o upotrebi grba Socijalisticke Republike Srbije (“SG SRS”, br. 6/1985.) is still in legal power and of the legal system of Serbia. It is still valid and needs to be harmonized with the Constitution.

Law on the State Seal of the Republic of Serbia (Zakon o drzavnom pecatu Republike Srbije 5th of November 2007. published in the Official Gazette No. 101/07) did not put out of legal power the Law on the State Seal of Serbia from 1945. (Original: Zakon o drzavnom pecatu Srbije (Official Gazette No. 27/45)) nor the Law on the State Seal of the People’s Republic of Serbia (original: Zakon o drzavnom pecatu Narodne Republike Srbije (Official Gazette 27/47 & 11/54).

To conclude, even the Constitution of Serbia had not defined the use of current symbols of the Republic of Serbia because the Constitutional Law prolonged all of the laws and all of the by-laws that are part of the legal system of Serbia.

The Constitution gave no description of the Coat of arms, not the Flag of Serbia. It just listed that those symbols should exist. The symbols in current use are only candidates for the job of real and lawful Serbian symbols. Until then Serbia has a flag but is without one.

Symbols of a precedent of the Republic of Serbia, that being symbols of the Socialist Republic of Serbia are still the only legal symbols for the use in Serbia.

Rainman 23:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And look at this article http://www.danas.co.yu/20040929/dijalog1.html published in Danas - a Serbian newspapers - by Milorad Tomanić - a publicist from Belgrade. -- Rainman 23:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing of this has anything to do with which exact colors are to be used. The article from Danas was written before the current constitution of Serbia was enacted. Nikola 19:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has to do a lot with the current official state of the Symbols of Serbia, but question yourself: Is Rainman shouting that all around the World or insisting that this should be the content of en:Flag of Serbia. I am most certain not. -- Rainman 20:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery[edit]

Please stop reverting. If not satisfied with the current state of the Flag on en:Flag of Serbia or at other wikis - then - select one of the proposed - and use them at what ever wiki you want. Please. Until this discussion is continuing don't change materials that are in this gallery. -- Rainman 20:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Colours Proposal A
Colours Proposal A
Colours Proposal B
Colours Proposal C
Colours Proposal E
Colours Proposal F
Lousy CMYK of the graph. std.

Who is proposing this to whom and with what purpose? Nikola 22:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This will solve a great deals of problem:

Names of the flags
Red / Pink question
Blue question
Usage of standards question
Usage of appropriate legal decisions
Official status (in terms of Law, vexillology, FIAV codes)
Other questions like:
- Traditional Serbian Colours
- Sources and their value
- etc.

Rainman 00:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppinions[edit]

Proposal A --Avala 12:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that you support Proposal C or what? -- Rainman 20:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, proposal C as it is, like I said, is pink-blue-white, not red-blue white as it should be (colours of Serbian flag). And stop reverting option A that I have voted for. First of all there is white border between coa and flag on state flag, second of all you are pointing at a .jpg files of thumbnail size as a source for a detailed vector image which is simply wrong. --Avala 20:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then what, D, what proposal is yours. -- Rainman 20:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I vote for the current A with white border and nonhtml colours. --Avala 20:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you abide the rules of commons you wouldn't revert something simply because you disagree, you would discuss you would seek solutions and you would not use brute force. -- Rainman 20:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

File will be deleted if you use wrong tags and wrong source. That's what I know. --Avala 20:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tag[edit]

Template:PD-SerbiaGov does not apply anymore because the current file is not the official material . It was changed. Only http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/ff/20080203200117%21Flag_of_Serbia.svg (22:34, 28 January 2008 Zscout370) can bare this tag. Please add another tag like CC. --Avala 11:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you know. Every possible file that uses red-blue-white is applicable to Template:PD-SerbiaGov. Of course source must be validated. But in the case where no Law exists and when even you would not agree with the proposal made by Nikola Smolenski (I think that Proposal B is his). When nobody agrees with anybody, then I don't know how will the administrators clean all this mess.

It would still be up to administrators of commons, most notably Zscout370.

And finally. Thanks for improving files that I contributed, the white line that were present before the discussion started used that width.

My vote goes with Nikola even if his file is not perfect.

Rainman 21:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It took some time to realize but Avala is in favour of Proposal A. Thanks! -- Rainman 21:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK using your logic of comparing with photos of flags in real life, which proposal do you support after looking at following. I think the proposal A fits these the best and proposal A shows correctly on all monitors not only perfectly calibrated. B proposal shows purplish red because it is based on pantone. It seems every proposal though is better than this what we have atm Image:Flag of Serbia.svg.

--Avala 21:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that Nikola would realize that. Proposal A is better than Proposal B because B looks en:Maroon (color) and draws to purple instead of red. -- Rainman 22:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So will the admin finally revert this pink flag? --Avala 18:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have notified Zscout370 that Mile, you and I agreed. Nikola has contributed very simmilar image to that of our agreement. We must wait for a while and try to be patient. Maybe if some other users would support the move of Proposal A to main space (Flag of Serbia.svg). -- Rainman 03:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly enough the discussion is continuing[edit]

The discussion which is under way on en:Talk:Flag of Serbia if anyone is interested. -- Imbris 19:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Language[edit]

Can someone please add the romanian code for the flag? Here it is:
{{ro|Drapelul [[:ro:Serbia|Serbiei]]}}
Thanks!

New Category[edit]

Please add to the category State Ensigns, under "Serbia", as I have ti sorted alphabetically Fry1989 (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Description[edit]

{{editprotected}} Here are additional descriptions and categories for the file:

Српски / srpski: Застава Србије / Zastava Srbije

Български: Знаме на Сърбия

Bosanski: Застава Србије / Zastava Srbije

Català: Bandera de Sèrbia

Čeština: Srbská vlajka

Словѣньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ: Срь́бїѧ зна́мѧ / ꙗⰔⱃⱐⰱⰻⱔ ⰸⱀⰰⰿⱔ

Deutsch: Flagge Serbiens

English: Flag of Serbia

Esperanto: Flago de Serbio

Español: Bandera de Serbia

Français : Drapeau de la Serbie

Hrvatski: Zastava Srbije

Magyar: Szerbia zászlaja

Italiano: Bandiera della Serbia

Македонски: Знаме на Србија

Português: Bandeira da Sérvia

Romani čhib: Styago Serbiya

Română: Драпелоул Сербѥй / Drapelul Serbiei

Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски: Застава Србије / Zastava Srbije

Slovenčina: Vlajka Srbska

Slovenščina: Zastava Srbije

Shqip: Flamuri i Serbisë

Türkçe: Sırbistan bayrağı

Українська: Прапор Сербії / Prapor Serbiji

Categories: [[Category:Flags with double-headed eagles]] [[Category:Flags with one cross]] [[Category:Flags with one crown]] [[Category:Flags with three horizontal stripes of blue, red and white colour combination]] [[Category:State ensigns|Serbia]] [[Category:SVG flags - Serbia]] [[Category:SVG sovereign state flags]] [[Category:Tricolor flags]] Homo lupus (talk) 20:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Túrelio (talk) 10:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Cyrillic alphabet present in the Romanian language? Romanian is not written with Cyrillic. Radu Gherasim (talk) 18:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian is occasionally written in Cyrillic. However, Ukrainian is never written in Latin. Could that please be removed too? Nikola (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Mormegil (talk) 21:22, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old flag[edit]

Is old flag under different name already present on Commons, or we should upload this version? -- Bojan Talk 20:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I uploaded it File:Flag of Serbia (2004-2010).svg -- Bojan Talk 21:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Color update[edit]

Recently, a new standard for the flag of Serbia has been issued, and the image was updated per the new standard. However, the colors used were Pantone colors from the standard, while the standard also specifies RGB colors. Given that SVG uses RGB, RGB should be used here. File:Flag of Serbia corrected.svg is the flag with RGB colors from the standard. Nikola (talk) 13:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This 'rusty' red colour is all wrong. It's nothing like the colour depicted from this zip file I took off the government website. Dobe (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the red color and the RGB colors do match the Nov 2011 law. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Remove[edit]

Need remove categories on Flag of Serbia (state).svg

Replace with optimized[edit]

{{Editprotected}} I've done some cloning and compression to this file. The one validation error and a minor error in the crown have now been fixed; the file size is half that of the current file. See File:Flag of Serbia (simplified).svg. SiBr₄ (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you! :) −ebraminio^talk 13:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for requesting a reupload to this file again. I didn't notice there were so many seemingly simple paths in the SVG file with hundreds or even thousands of nodes! I've now simplified these paths as well; the file size is now reduced to less than one fifth compared to the original file. SiBr₄ (talk) 12:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you :) −ebraminio^talk 15:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

{{Editprotected}} Based on the version by Zscout370, I have reduced the file size further to about 115kB without loosing any of the high details (which occured due to simply simplifying the paths). Since I don't know how to change the protected content, I hope some of the administrators can do this. The smaller file (only 110kB) is here:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by CWBudde (talk • contribs) 22:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I dislike how your new file lacks the logical grouping of the elements of the arms that I added in my versions of the file. With your version it would be a lot harder to single out e.g. the crown or the Serbian cross, since all paths are directly in the root layer and are only grouped by similar styling.

Regarding the loss of details; honestly the only differences I see while zooming in and blinking are the bottom edge of the outer shield (which I seem to have botched up slightly while optimizing in Inkscape) and the cross on the crown (the border of the blue orb has run over the cross since Zscout's >1 MB versions, but doesn't in yours). SiBr₄ (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Massive simplification[edit]

{{Editprotected}} I have removed lots of invisible complexity from this flag and resized most features of the coat of arms to the exact size specified by the construction sheet found here. Also, the coat is now perfectly symmetrical. The end result is File:Flag of Serbia (simplified).svg, which is only 38 KiB. Would an administrator please upload it over the original file? --Fibonacci (talk) 07:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fibonacci:

Done. If any user objects, please ping me here, explain your reasoning, and I will revert it pending discussion. Guanaco (talk) 13:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Upload Request[edit]

I request that SVG file be overwrite to File:Flag of Serbia fixed.svg. This file is a new file fixed code and reduced size by me. I can't upload overwrite new version file. If request is completed, delete to File:Flag of Serbia fixed.svg. --Tcfc2349 (talk) 23:35, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ХЕРАЛДИКА СССС: This looks the same as yours visually. Do you agree? Guanaco (talk) 02:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do, upload it over ХЕРАЛДИКА СССС (talk) 10:28, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Guanaco (talk) 16:17, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Categories[edit]

{{Edit request}} This should go in Category:National flag of Serbia. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.173.239.113 (talk) 11:56, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Majora (talk) 03:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Upload Request (Sept 2022)[edit]

Moved from Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Flag of Serbia: 痛 (talk) 19:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Original
Flag of serbia (optimized)

Flag of serbia (optimized)
Flag of Serbia (Fixed and Optimized).svg

Hi. I need your help. I have uploaded the optimized version of the flag of Serbia with reduced file size

Can you merge it with the original file Matabr060 (talk) 21:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Matabr060: I don't think it is optimized. The aspect ratio is not even exactly 2:3. And why are there transforms and clip-paths for the stripes?--Mike Rohsopht (talk) 20:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Matabr060 and Mike Rohsopht: I tried to delete the optimezed version in order to reupload it over the standard flag but I noticed the flag is protected and I have no permission to overwrite it.--Carnby (talk) 07:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FDRMRZUSA, Kamran.nef, Odder, Matabr060, Mike Rohsopht, and Guanaco: I have been asked to comment on File:Flag of Serbia.svg and File:Flag of Serbia (Fixed and Optimized).svg. Both files are full of problems.

1. File:Flag of Serbia.svg:

The aspect ratio is 50409:75613 or approximately 2.000013:3. It should be exactly 2:3.
The file is riddled with unnecessary transforms.
The three stripes are not the same width. The blue stripe is subject to different scaling factors in the x and y directions. Why scale at all?
The white stripe does not extended all the way to the bottom of the flag
The three stripes are subject to some unnecessary clip paths that are not quite the same sizes as the stripes themselves. There is no good reason to use clip paths here.
The top of the shield is not perfectly horizontal.
There are some paths in the crown that are hidden behind other paths. These do nothing but add bloat to the code.
There are some duplicated points in some of the paths in the crown; this trigger artifacts at some zoom levels in Chrome.
The top of the cross on the top of the crown is slightly below where it is supposed to be according to the official government construction sheet.
When the file is imported into Inkscape (as opposed to be opened in Inkscape) a thin gap appears between the shield and the red bar. This could be an Inkscape bug, but I suspect it is tied to the use of the unnecessary clip paths mentioned above.

2. File:Flag of Serbia (Fixed and Optimized).svg

I do not consider this file to be fixed or optimized.
The aspect ratio has been corrected; it is exactly 2:3. This is good!
All the other problems remain and new problems have been added.
Hidden portions of the blue and white stripes jut up above the top of the flag; these shown up when importing the file into another SVG.
The shield is shifted slightly to the right of where it is supposed to be according to the official government construction sheet.
Line feeds and tab characters have been removed in the name of optimization. This type of optimization makes the source code very difficult to troubleshoot and it is not useful to anybody. See: Help:SVG_guidelines#When_is_optimizing/validating_files_undesired?.

At some point I will probably do a construction sheet and I could fix this flag at that time. But I am not committing to any timeline right now. MapGrid (talk) 07:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the discussion here from the Graphic Lab. -- 痛 (talk) 19:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fibonacci has made a fixed version that is only 38 KB. See more info at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_Serbia.svg#Massive_simplification, @MapGrid. It is available at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/ff/20180709192706%21Flag_of_Serbia.svg. 98.213.225.105 23:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FDRMRZUSA @Kamran.nef @SiBr4 @Mike Rohsopht @Odder @MapGrid

I added line feeds and tab characters. The source code for the new file is:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<![CDATA[

.base {

stroke:#21231e;

stroke-width:1;

stroke-linecap:round;

}

.white {

fill:#fff;

stroke:#21231e;

stroke-width:1;

stroke-linejoin:round;

}

.gold {

fill:#edb92e;

stroke:#21231e;

stroke-width:1;

stroke-linejoin:round;

}

.blue {

fill:#0c4076;

stroke:#21231e;

stroke-width:1;

}

.red {

fill:#c6363c;

stroke-width:2.5;

}]]>

</style>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</g>

</svg>

If someone else could improve the code, please comment. 98.213.225.105 23:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Odder I uploaded a new FIXED VERSION of the flag using the code provided above which seems to address the problems. Can you update the file using the fixed version? Because the current one has many problems. Best regards. Kamran.nef (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kamran.nef: This is now done; thank you for your work on this. odder (talk) 18:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Odder Thank you so much. Kamran.nef (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File talk:Flag of Serbia.svg

Contents

Real flag[edit]

Blue colour[edit]

Supposed colour set[edit]

Colours[edit]

Colours 2[edit]

Recommendation colour are better than that unofficial Book of Graphical Standards[edit]

About the colours used in Recommendation[edit]

Official status of the Symbols of Serbia[edit]

Gallery[edit]

Oppinions[edit]

Tag[edit]

Sadly enough the discussion is continuing[edit]

Language[edit]

New Category[edit]

Description[edit]

Old flag[edit]

Color update[edit]

Remove[edit]

Replace with optimized[edit]

Massive simplification[edit]

Upload Request[edit]

Categories[edit]

Upload Request (Sept 2022)[edit]

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