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Contents 1 White heading on hoist 2 Position of the star 3 Color 4 Second flag on the main page is the (more?) correct one

[edit] White heading on hoist

Both Flags of the World and the Turkish flag law itself indicate that this flag should have the white heading on the hoist. User:dbenbenn 23:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Are we sure it's meant to be part of the flag? I mean I s'pose they could be specifying the color of the area where the flag is connected to the rope. Me no speakie Turkey. Just tossing that out. :p ¦ Reisio 23:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I have never seen such a white stripe on the flag of Turkey, and if you look at the Google Image Search, you don't see any hint of a white stripe on most of the Turkey flag images you see. Denelson83 01:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

It's true that most images on the web don't have the white heading, but Google image search is hardly a reliable source. Have you ever seen a flag of Turkey that didn't have the heading? I've cited two very strong reasons for thinking the flag should have the heading. Is there any equally strong reason to think it shouldn't?

To address Reisio's question, I suppose you could ask someone in Category:User tr or anyone on the Turkish Wikipedia to clarify that page. Note that tr:Türk Bayrağı also shows the white heading (with a local PNG image of the flag). User:dbenbenn 03:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I asked a turkish speaking wikipedian, to read the the Turkish flag law. He confirmed Reisios thoughts. So we should chance it. Discussion see de:Benutzer_Diskussion:CengizS#Flagge_der_Türkei (in german)--Kookaburra 08:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

What did he confirm (I can't read German, either)? Should the white heading be removed? User:dbenbenn 01:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thats what I mean: the white heading should be removed. Maybe we can keep a 2nd version with white heading --Kookaburra 09:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, according to Systran, he said:

The white edge of the flag is not part of the representation but a requirement on flags, which are hung to the mast. Perhaps one should mention this.

¦ Reisio 04:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

So if you make the flag physically, you must have the white heading, and if you represent it graphically the white heading is optional? User:dbenbenn 23:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I think in the graphically case the white heading is not optional. The white heading concerns only the physically case, when flying the flag on a flagstaff (excuse my bad english, I hope you understand what I want express to)--Kookaburra 08:50, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, this flag should be without the white sideline, and we should upload the sidelines one as Image:Flag of Turkey (with heading).svg, or something like that. —Nightstallion (?) 12:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Alright; I took the heading off this flag (while keeping the SVG code accurate and human readable). User:dbenbenn 18:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Position of the star

Is it really necessary that the left tip of the star and the moon peaks have the same x-coordinates? I think if you want to achieve this, the dimension to be changed is c (cf [1]). The correct value would be

Or just take the value 1/16=0.0625 given by law and ignore the inconsistency with the constructional drawing (which is presumably not binding). In any case, I wouldn't change E --Pumbaa 17:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Color

The red color might need correction.

• C: 0 M:100 Y:98 K: 0
• R:196 G:0 B:38

Is there any official source for colors you used?

The only source I was able to find is FOTW and Album des Pavillons which gives Pantone 186 C for the red tone. In my opinion, it quite well matches the shades of photos taken of the real flag (I even checked with image editing software). As for the 'maroon' shade stated in the revert, the current shade is just one among several possible shades of red, and has support from a reliable source. In fact, 186 C is the 'general' red tone according to this page. If someone can find a specific tone recommended by the Turkish government, I'm not opposing. –Vzb83 (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no official rgb or cmyk definition. But records say the color of flag symbolizes blood of hundreds of thousands who fought against invaders and contributed to independence of Turkey. Graphicers in Turkey widely use the above values C: 0 M:100 Y:98 K: 0 or R:196 G:0 B:38 . You can use the color of blood instead if you can find any official source for color of blood. In any case it should not be pinkish or pure Red. --Nevit Dilmen (talk) 11:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

This flag is used since 1920s. I have never seen a maroon Turkish flag. See this description in Turkish Wikipedia. and are evidences too. Presidency of the Republic of Turkey is also uses the red flag. Finally go to [BBC's Turkey profile] and look at the image in the overview section. --Turkish Flame (talk) 11:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

PMS 186 C is defined as red, not maroon. The flags of Qatar and Latvia use maroon. The first image you showed can hardly used as source for a colour tone (it's not an image of a real flag) and the second image has its tone derived straight from this flag, as is written at its description. The flag at the BBC's site has a different tone than the one currently used, and anyways BBC is a less reliable source than the flag-dedicated FOTW. I visited at the site of the Turkish presidency before making my change. If you look at this picture, open it in an image editing software and pick a tone from the flag you'll see that even at its brightest spot it's much nearer to the tone I used than the currently used tone. I checked also this photo with a flag in sunlight and the result is the same. I understand your worry but please consider these arguments as I'm only trying to make the flag look as real as possible. –Vzb83 (talk) 17:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

186 C is a pale red which looks like maroon. In Turkey, pale and torn flags are burned under control of the government. The first image i showed is made by Bilkent University, one of the most important universities in Turkey. And BBC's flags are unreliable. For example Kosovo's flag in BBC is different with the flag in Wikipedia. Please look at , , and . Also you have to see logos of these federations: Turkish Football Federation, Turkish Volleyball Federation, Turkish Basketball Federation... are all use the bright flag. The current flag of Turkey in Wikipedia is correct. You have to attempt at the flag of Kosovo. --Turkish Flame ^☎ 15:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand your point with BBC: first you used it as an argument, then I said it's not very reliable and now you're also saying it's not reliable thinking I'm trying to use it as an argument. Well I'm not. :) It seems that this issue is going nowhere; there is no written source (that I'm aware of) supporting the current colour, and the one that has the only source keeps getting reverted by you. You seem to be determined to fight for the shade that looks 'right' to you, so I'll just try to find an official statement about the colours that we can use or to get an RGB equivalent from the official and somewhat trivial values written below. –Vzb83 (talk) 20:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Second flag on the main page is the (more?) correct one

There is no law on the tangency of the vertical line connecting the tips of the crescent to the outer circle of the star, yet we have a law that states that the "distance between the inner circle of the crescent and the circle around the star" is 1/3 the width of the flag. The star turns out to be 'a little bit' inside the crescent.

The law [2] only states that it is a beyaz ay - yıldızlı albayrak ("red flag with white moon - star"). Al can normally be many shapes of red, no fixed RGB value to the best of my knowledge (I am certainly not an expert). The law leaves many things to a tüzük (statute). According to this tüzük [3], we have the following:

Parlaklık (aydınlık) = 27,5

Kırmızılık - yeşillik = 44,8

Sarılık - mavilik = 15,6

en çok 3 NBS renk farkı kabul edilir.

rough translation (most likely not the technical terms, sorry I could not help more)

brightness/luminance: 27,5

redness-greenness = 44,8

yellowness - blueness = 15,6

a maximum of 3 NBS color deviation can be accepted

Now about the white parts: First Turkish:

460 nanometre dalga boyundaki yansıma yüzdesinin iki katıyla 620 nanometre dalga boyundaki yansıma yüzdesinin farkı ipek ve sentetik karışımı kumaşlarda en az % 15, diğerlerinde en az % 60 olmalıdır.

Let me introduce variables to make it hopefully more clear. Let x be the 'percentage of reflection' (direct translation) of light of wavelength 460 nanometers, let y be the 'percentage of reflection' of light of wavelength 620 nanometers. Then the difference between 2 * x and y must be more than 15 for synthetic and silk flags and more than 60 for the others (the type of clothes that can be used is also determined by the tüzük).

I could not see any regulations on the graphical representations. Denizz 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)