File talk:Hezbollah hall of heroes.jpg

The current version of the description - is not neutral, such allegations have not been confirmed by any sources or not attributed, but rather refuted:

• "while in Lebanon Israel's version of the events is disputed by many(whom?) and it is denied that he killed the father and his daughter"
  • see: "Immediately after his arrest, Kuntar admitted to the killings,[7] but at his sentence and thereafter he denied killing the father and daughter, saying that they had been killed by security forces in the ensuing gun battle."
• "The middle frame refers to homicide attacks" - situation needed
• "During more then three decades of it's existance, there's no any evidence that Hezbollah even commited even one suicide attack"
  • search w:Hezbollah on 'suicide attacks' :(
• "such attacks were committed only by Israel against Palestinian civilians"
  • see: Jerusalem bulldozer attacks

, so that such a description is itself a propaganda and POV-pushing. --Igorp_lj (talk) 12:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Kuntar was arrested in 1979, and Hezbollah was founded in 1982 (three years later). No matter is Israeli or Lebanese side of story about Kuntar true, he's still irrelevant to Hezbollah and not it's member. Second frame: refering Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack which was committed by Palestinian Sunni group Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine, not Lebanese Shia Hezbollah. Attack is completely irrelevant to both Hezbollah and Kuntar (or his PLF). There are many attack on Israel by various terrorist groups from Palestine, but Lebanese Hezbollah is irrelevant to any of them and it never used either suicide bombers or attacks against civilians. Caricature is lose attempt of connecting Hezbollah with various terror crimes, and it's made by Barry Hunau, Jewish American. The fact that you're Israeli Jewish and you hate Hezbollah isn't good reason to keep propagandistic crap in description. --Orijentolog (talk) 12:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Another thing, it shows Lebanese woman in niqab despite Shia women don't even wear it. --Orijentolog (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Neither Jerusalem bulldozer attacks (mentioned by Igorp lj) are connected to Hezbollah. --Orijentolog (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Kuntar is glorified by Hezbollah - isn't it?

• 'A public celebration was organized by Hezbollah in Dahieh (the Hezbollah stronghold in Beirut) where Hassan Nasrallah gave a welcoming speech to Kuntar.'

My edition what was reverted by you already twice has no reference to Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack. So your arguments are irrelevant, not mine.

Your 'bulldozer' description reverted is refuted by sources deleted by you as well as you do with others ones.

What about "During more then three decades of it's existance, there's no any evidence that Hezbollah even commited even one suicide attack"? :)

Any way, this file refers to terrorists groups which are supported and glorified by Hezbolla, so they are its heroes.

• "Nasrallah gave a speech in which he defended and praised suicide bombings of Israeli targets by members of Palestinian groups"

I do not guess whom do you hate but such your edits and reverts are clean POV-pushing. --Igorp_lj (talk) 13:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I've corrected description of third frame according your remark. Reference to Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus attack was inserted by uploader, not me. In Syrian conflict Israel and some Wahhabi terrorists are on same side, but calling later as "Israeli heroes" is pure bias. Nasrallah didn't praise suicide attacks, he actually condemned them in all cases (Lebanon, USA, Israel). He also accused Israel for some in Lebanon but it's politization and form of propaganda itself. All of countries/parties in region have own propaganda, I've personally uploaded some Iranian anti-US propaganda photos. So please, calm down and stop accusing. --Orijentolog (talk) 14:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• "I've corrected description of third frame according your remark" - 1-st step is so important,

but again, what about (from my arguments above) :

• "During more then three decades of it's existance, there's no any evidence that Hezbollah even commited even one suicide attack"
  • search w:Hezbollah on 'suicide attacks' :(

Kuntar is glorified by Hezbollah - isn't it?

• 'A public celebration was organized by Hezbollah in Dahieh (the Hezbollah stronghold in Beirut) where Hassan Nasrallah gave a welcoming speech to Kuntar.'
• "Nasrallah gave a speech in which he defended and praised suicide bombings of Israeli targets by members of Palestinian groups"

My edition what was reverted by you already twice has no reference to Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack - is it suitable for you?).

? --Igorp_lj (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Already answered to all points, read it again. --Orijentolog (talk) 15:30, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

What can I see is only your own opinion or original research vs my quotes from wiki articles approved by RS and your speculations about a relationship between "Wahhabi terrorists" & Israel.

Sorry, but that's all. --Igorp_lj (talk) 15:57, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

In article you can clearly see suicide attacks are allegations, as mentioned in description. Inside article about Syrian Civil War you can also see Israel and terrorist groups on the same side (anti-Syrian gov) in conflict, but it's not enough reason to call them as allies. It was an analogy to Hezbollah & Palestinian terrorist groups which are anti-Israeli. --Orijentolog (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I see no justification for your original research about non-existent symmetry. :)

• "you can clearly see suicide attacks are allegations" - not so clear:
• "Hezbollah waged an asymmetric (guerrilla) war using suicide attacks against the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israeli targets outside of Lebanon.[43] Hezbollah is reputed to have been among the first Islamic resistance groups in the Middle East to use the tactics of suicide bombing, assassination, and capturing foreign soldiers.[35]"
• "Between 1982 and 1986, there were 36 suicide attacks in Lebanon directed against American, French and Israelis forces by 41 individuals, killing 659.[43] Hezbollah denies involvement in these attacks, though it has been accused of some or all of these attacks:[141][142][143]"
• "Hezbollah's television station Al-Manar airs programming designed to inspire suicide attacks in Gaza, the West Bank, and Iraq.[47][120][123]"

And what I only have found in Syrian Civil War is:

• "Israel has provided treatment to 750 Syrians in a field hospital located in Golan Heights."

Can you add smthng reliable else?

And once more, what about:

Kuntar is glorified by Hezbollah - isn't it?

• 'A public celebration was organized by Hezbollah in Dahieh (the Hezbollah stronghold in Beirut) where Hassan Nasrallah gave a welcoming speech to Kuntar.'
• "Nasrallah gave a speech in which he defended and praised suicide bombings of Israeli targets by members of Palestinian groups"

My edition what was reverted by you already twice has no reference to w:Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack - is it suitable for you?

--Igorp_lj (talk) 00:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)