File talk:Somalia map states regions districts.png

Source

Please provide a trustworthy third party source for this map?! --Jeroenvrp (talk) 00:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Atom

Atom claims to be aligned with Al-shabab rather than somaliland. Puntlander propoganda is the only source for claims that he is aligned with somaliland.74.105.134.233 17:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Map split

These maps are very interesting chronology of the Somalian civil war. However, instead that this map is updated for each frontline and political change, it would be better that each map version is uploaded as a separate file to reflect specific time period of the Somalian war. Once Somalian war is over, people would want to see what was political and military situation in each time period, so it would be nice that Wikimedia Commons have one map that reflect situation from July 17, 2009, another one that reflect situation from February 26, 2009, then another one that reflect situation from February 15, 2009, and so on. All in all, there are 32 map versions here, each reflecting different time period of the Somalian war, and each of them should be uploaded as a separate file and posted into history section of the Atlas of Somalia article. Each new possible future map version should be also uploaded as a separate file. I hope author of the map (or anybody else) would upload these files. I do not have enough free time to do that by myself. PANONIAN (talk) 13:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Mistake?

Probably a mistake, but why a so-called Azania flag resembles the flag of the Russian Federation? If the error, fix, or specify the source of the flag! Thank you!--Analitic114 (talk) 19:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

That's the flag of Azania. I don't know why they chose the same flag as Russia, but that's what it is. To be fair apparently the shade of blue is "Somali" blue, not dark blue. Ingoman (talk) 23:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Recent development

Well, if TFG forces took Wanla Weyn, what about road from Wanla Weyn to Buur Hakaba? Is this road still controlled by Shabaab or not? It is strange to me that TFG controls these two cities but not the strategic road between them. PANONIAN (talk) 17:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, forget my question, connecting the road looks like the next step in TFG advance: http://www.modernghana.com/news/422549/1/amisom-troops-secure-wanla-weyn-on-afgooye-bai.html PANONIAN (talk) 17:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

2014 update

Can somebody update this map with situation in 2014? There are a lot changes. For example, Somaliland captured some towns from Khatumo, al-Shabaab also lost some towns, etc. Map that shows war in Syria is updated daily, but seems that war in Somalia is somehow "forgotten" in wikimedia. PANONIAN (talk) 20:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The July Update was very helpful, but it would be great if someone with more knowledge of the situation and geography than I have could make another update. The timeline seems to indicate that there have been some significant territorial changes since then. Thanks in advance to anyone who can do this. --Dperrella (talk) 20:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Minor Labelling Error

Hello - I see that a spelling mistake crept in between the versions spesh531 uploaded / edited on 12th March 2012 and 24th March 2012, viz:

One of the Key Labels for the map which was written as "Somaliland" (correct) on 11th March 2012 became: "Somaliand" (incorrect) on 24th March version, and the mistyping has carried through to all revisions including the latest.

Just thought you might like to know, since your maps seem so excellent in every way.

Regards,

Michel

2015

The map has not been updated for a long time, is not it time to upgrade?--Murza-Zade (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

update 2018

If there are active members, can someone update the map--Murza-Zade (talk) 08:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

There is nuance with regards to control

There is a question mark regarding whether the SSC areas are controlled by Somaliland. Sources show that these so-called SSC areas actually publicly mock the concept of Somaliland by holding "maalinta qashinka" (i.e. day of rubbish) celebrations on 18 May, Somaliland's independence day, even in the city that bears a Somaliland administration, Las Anod (source). This isn't some fringe view either; here is the supreme monarch of the Dhulbahante tribe, (the most important person in the SSC region) stating that Dhulbahante are not in favor of secession ([1]); here is a news source stating that the second most important monarch of the Sool, Sanaag Cayn region, Garad Saleban, expresses extreme hostility to the concept of secessionism/Somaliland [2]. The general populace also have strong anti-secessionist and anti-Somaliland views: "Most Dhulbahante and Warsengeli representatives interviewed by the ISS expressed a strong desire to remain united with Somalia" (Source year: December 2019); also "No sustainable resolution can occur without the input of the Dhulbahante and Warsengeli communities themselves" as "the problem primarily involves their home areas"

Considering Somalia is a tribal society, we shouldn't force-feed the notion of secessionism/Somaliland to people who don't want it, i.e. the Khatumo (Dhulbahante) and Maakhir (Warsangeli) constituents. In the same way that one doesn't control a person who mocks you, an area or region that mocks you is similarly not under your control - therefore this nuance regarding SSC areas should be highlighted. Meelpringthusss (talk) 14:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

As can be seen in the file history this map is often updated to take into account the control. It doesn't show Somaliland's borders as claimed by Somaliland. It doesn't need to be highlighted as it's literally on the map. Further, it is hard to see how adding Puntland's claims highlights local concerns. Such concerns are also not addressed anywhere else on the map, as this would be unmanageable. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Meelpringthusss, if you would like to upload new files showing dispute, you are free to do so, but drive-by style changing of all maps is clearly unwarranted and undue. --Kzl55 (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

We should have dedicated maps for the dispute, not duplicates of every image for this particular detail. It's entirely undue. Imagine if every map of Belize had its southern half shaded out. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Very good point, agreed. There already is a map of the dispute [3]. --Kzl55 (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps energy on this topic could be directed towards improving that map then. For example, it'd be better to have a map that showed all of Puntland, as well as a map which showed how the claims interacted with control on the ground between the two polities and the autonomous local administrations. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

A control map of the whole region would be very interesting indeed. Puntland has another dispute with the regional state of Galmudug. There is also the issue of Al Shabab and their area of control vis-a-vis the Federal Government.--Kzl55 (talk) 18:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

My understanding is that File:Somalia map states regions districts.svg is intended to act as a control map, given its regular updates to that effect. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

• Las Anod students singing the Somalia anthem instead of Somaliland anthem
• Map showing that eastern tribal areas are disputed

The above sources, especially the sources showing Las Anod celebrating Somalia rather than Somaliland suggests nuance to me with regards to control. Meelpringthusss (talk) 18:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

What is that supposed to mean? Just a few days ago there was an event in Las Anod where Somalia's flag along with portrait of Somalia's President were burnt [4]. The governor, who is in control of the territory and who was present during the event explicitly stated that such paraphernalia are not acceptable in Somaliland. Plenty of sources show Somaliland has effective control on the ground. A tweet is really not relevant to this discussion. --Kzl55 (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding File:Map of somaliland border claims.jpg, isn't a reference pointing to a government news outlet more credible a third party such as Hoehne? Meelpringthusss (talk) 06:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

For the purpose of illustrating the dispute it isn't. The nature of the dispute relates to clan territory, and Hoehne, a researcher who has travelled widely in the disputed area, and who is neither affiliated with Somaliland nor Puntland, does a much better job delineating that. As an example, Erigavo and its environs are not disputed, Bohol in Xudun district is not disputed... and so on. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Where in the Puntland Observer article does it say that map was produced by the Puntland government? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)