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updated --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Additional Information

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Concerning MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr and Upload&uselang=fromflickr

Can the location of the license on Flickr image pages be mentioned? It is not intuitive to find it. For example; I was looking for the license on the images in this set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/modernezeiten/1237994395/ in an effort to find images for this wikipedia page: en:Hanfparade.

After looking around for awhile I gave up. I came back later and found the license info buried under the heading "Additional Information." I have uploaded Flickr images before to the commons, but it was a long time ago, and so it is easy to forget where to find the license info. It is also easy to be fooled by the statement on the Flickr image page that "This photo is public".

So I suggest the following idea. Can this paragraph at MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr be expanded from

The statement "This photo is public" DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COPYRIGHT. It only says that the photo is publicly viewable.

to something like

The statement "This photo is public" DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COPYRIGHT. It only says that the photo is publicly viewable. The license logo and link are located under the "Additional Information" heading.

The emphasized line is the addition. It might be good to put it in italics and/or bold formatting in the upload page. This will help get more free images uploaded from Flickr. Less people will give up, or upload nonfree images by mistake. --Timeshifter 07:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I inserted the extra line. I didn't bold it because everything is important and too quickly almost everything becomes bold... --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! And you are right about how easy it is to make more and more stuff bold. I edit HTML web pages, too, and have that problem from time to time. :) --Timeshifter 11:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Seven different licensing options

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Each different Flickr license option used under "Additional Information" for various Flickr images links to a different page at creativecommons.org

I had to look around awhile at creativecommons.org before I found a simple page explaining all the license options. It is:

At MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr I suggest changing this line:

Flickr images have seven different licensing options.

to something like

Flickr images have seven different licensing options.

or

Flickr images have seven different licensing options: [1]

This will help educate both Flickr users and Wikipedia users about the various licenses. I know it will help people (myself included) uploading images to Flickr. This also allows people to learn about the licenses from the source for the licenses.

I was baffled in some ways by the license choices until I found that page. The MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr page is pretty sketchy about the meaning of the license choices. --Timeshifter 11:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That page is useful, the icons and the names of each license are nice and big. I added the link.
This form is not really intended to teach people about how to contribute to Flickr, just how to find acceptable images there. For the former I suggest Commons:Choosing a license. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 03:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again! That lead section at Commons:Choosing a license is EXACTLY what we need more of. I am one of those people with a short attention span for form-filling and bureaucracy. It drives me absolutely nuts. :)
So anything that gets to the point, and suggests the best license to use is SOOOOOOOOO helpful. Most people are not interested in studying zillions of license options. They just want to quickly upload images to wikipedia and the commons in whatever way is required, and then get on with their lives.
In forms we need more default settings for licenses, so that people can easily upload stuff with the best licenses for the commons. --Timeshifter 06:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Link to this talk page

I suggest putting a link to this talk page from Upload&uselang=fromflickr. I am sure some other people would like to make some suggestions for improving that upload page. But there is no link from that page to this talk page.

I suggest putting a line break at the bottom of MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr, or creating another narrow blue box just below the other blue boxes. Then put something like this in the blue box, or after the line break:

If you have questions please ask at the Commons:Help desk. To make suggestions for improving this upload form please go here.

"Here" is linked with [[MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext/fromflickr]]

More suggestions from both newbies and experienced editors will improve this form even more. Suggestions from newbies would be especially helpful since many will be looking at the form with fresh eyes, and with no background info about any of this. Those are the people I think we need to listen to most in order to make the form as simple as possible to use. But they have to be able to get here to make their suggestions. --Timeshifter 06:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Larger icons in Flickr table

Can the icons be enlarged in the Flickr table? Compare the top table with 25-pixel-wide icons with the original table below it using 15-pixel-wide icons.

Statement on Flickr page License OK here?
© All rights reserved Copyrighted Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nc white.svgCc-nd white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-NC-ND Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nc white.svgCc-sa white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-NC-SA Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nc white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-NC Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nd white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-ND Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY Green check.png OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-sa white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-SA Green check.png OK

Statement on Flickr page License OK here?
© All rights reserved Copyrighted Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nc white.svgCc-nd white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-NC-ND Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nc white.svgCc-sa white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-NC-SA Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nc white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-NC Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-nd white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-ND Stop hand.svg NOT OK
Cc-by white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY Green check.png OK
Cc-by white.svgCc-sa white.svg Some rights reserved CC-BY-SA Green check.png OK

The smaller icons are too blurry in my opinion. --Timeshifter 04:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree but they are that size because this is how big they are on Flickr pages. Since this form should let you directly compare, they are the same size. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 09:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I found it easier to both compare and understand them when I knew what I was looking for. For example;
Cc-by white.svg is almost unrecognizable unless one has seen it this size: Cc-by white.svg
That, along with this paragraph in the Flickr upload page (emphasis added):
Licenses with NC (non-commercial use only) or ND (no derivative works allowed to be created) are not OK here. If the image is not OK, consider asking the author to release their work under a free license such as CC-BY (Creative Commons Attribution license) or CC-BY-SA (Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike).
Then the "BY" makes sense. Attribution, as in this photo is "BY" this person. So it is not just the comparison factor that is helped by larger icons.
I suggest adding a sentence to the paragraph:
"BY" is for attribution, as in a photo is "BY" this person. Licenses with NC (non-commercial use only) or ND (no derivative works allowed to be created) are not OK here. If the image is not OK, consider asking the author to release their work under a free license such as CC-BY (Creative Commons Attribution license) or CC-BY-SA (Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike).
This would help a lot of people. --Timeshifter 19:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Flickr upload info page has been updated

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Please see w:Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr and copy the relevant parts to the Commons Flickr upload page. Also, please put a link to this talk page. --Timeshifter 23:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Be specific. What exactly would you like changed, and why? (I think ours is better than EnWP's.) giggy (:O) 07:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I have tried being specific. See previous section. Waste of effort. You are right in that there are parts of both forms that are better than the other. The difference is that on English wikipedia the admins have decided to open up the introductory documentation to editing by registered users, and not just admins. So we now avoid wasting all this time arguing over every little change, and then little happening anyway. Instead we spend our mutually valuable time doing useful editing. It produces better-explained upload pages much more quickly.
If you or other admins see anything of value on the w:Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr feel free to copy it here. I only wanted to point it out. If you or other admins are not willing to have a good look at w:Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr with an open mind, then what I say will do little good. Too much effort for too little result. I have better things to do.
I suggest lowering the protection to semi-protection.
Also, maybe someone else might be willing to explain what could be changed. But they would need to know where to make the explanations. I suggest adding a note to the bottom of the introductory text linking to this talk page. See the note at the bottom of w:Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Broken link

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Hi,

The link to Bryan's Flickr tool seems to be broken. I've no idea if it's been relocated, but it's currently a dead link, and should be fixed. Thanks, How do you turn this on (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It's an error that Bryan must fix.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 22:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for help in uploading Flickr images

Please see:

Commons:Help desk

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HELP!

Can we link to the main help desk from the Flickr upload page? Most people only want a quick answer.

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There is no link on the sidebar, or on the Flickr upload page, that links directly to live knowledgeable help.

See the previous talk section. Why did this person have to ask all over for help? To see what I am talking about see the last few sections of their talk page: wikipedia:User talk:Leahtwosaints

Have we forgotten the newbie experience? --Timeshifter (talk) 21:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done, I added ”If you need live help, feel free to ask it at Commons:Help desk.” to the upload form. --Joku Janne(Fi) (Wikiwiki) 18:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I think there may be a problem though. Please look at:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=fromflickr
Is it using MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr? I tried purging the page caches. Maybe I am not doing it right. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It is OK now. Thanks again. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Flinfo

Please see:

Are other people having problems with Flinfo? --Timeshifter (talk) 11:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I added {{editprotected}} because I have not gotten a response at User talk:Flominator/Flinfo#Flinfo not working for me.
I think we may need to remove this link from the Flickr upload page if it is not working. Or maybe the Flinfo upload page http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php needs clearer instructions. I think I may have pasted in the Flickr URL. The Flickr ID is hard to decipher at times. And "Flickr ID" is not explained at all on the Flinfo upload form.
There is a table at the top of User talk:Flominator/Flinfo that says the tool author is "brainstorming" about this: "Call Flinfo by using a Flickr-URL instead of the ID"
See the next section too for related ideas. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
If you provide some text and tell me where to put it - no problem. I don't know, how to extract the ID from these various Flickr urls, sorry. --Flominator (talk) 19:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I see from this page, User:Flominator/Flinfo, that the Flickr ID is the number in the image URL. Maybe you can copy those instructions to the top page at http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php
For example;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phaudio/967190500/
I believe the Flickr ID would be 967190500
I already uploaded that image using another method. See:
File:Tal Wilkenfeld 2007 July 28.jpg
I don't have another Flickr image in mind right now to upload and test this. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
is the link to User:Flominator/Flinfo not sufficient for those who want to get some help? --Flominator (talk) 14:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so. People may not think to click that link. You might label the link as "instructions." That would help. It still makes things confusing though if people have to keep multiple pages open in order to figure this out, and to get an image uploaded. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Another idea here: User talk:Flominator#Flinfo instructions. --Timeshifter (talk) 12:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem has been solved. There is now a help link on the upload page. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload

Are others having problems with http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload ?

It does not seem to be working consistently for me or others. See:

I forgot to create a good name when I uploaded this, and it kept the original file name. Please see File:Maria Muldaur 1969. It is the same photo uploaded later the same day with a better file name. I used the Flickr upload bot at [2]. I thought I used .jpg as the image extension. The photo never showed up. I waited 34 hours. So I uploaded it manually here: File:Maria Muldaur 1969.jpg

I added File:Maria Muldaur 1969.jpg to the infobox of wikipedia:Maria Muldaur.

Can we remove links to the 3 nonworking or inconsistently-working Flickr upload tools from

Flickr uploading is frustrating some people a lot. See User wikipedia:User talk:Leahtwosaints. She is having difficulties. She also discusses others' attempts and difficulties.

There are now 3 Flickr upload tools linked from the main Flickr upload page. I think they are hurting more than they are helping. I don't believe any of them are working consistently. I haven't tried this one: *http://toolserver.org/~magnus/flickr2commons.php

Instead of having 3 links to tools from the Flickr upload page maybe we should have a single link to a page of alternative Flickr upload tools. We could put a big warning sign on that page telling people that they may not always work well. We could also say which tool is currently working consistently. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

We could also put some additional instructions on that separate page of links to alternative Flickr upload tools. We could allow any registered user to edit that separate page, too. That would solve a lot of problems concerning the clarity of the instructions on the alternative upload pages themselves. There is not any room to add additional notes and instructions on the main Flickr upload page:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=fromflickr
I don't think there should be any direct links on the main Flickr upload page to any alternative Flickr upload pages unless the alternative pages work every time, and are very easy to use by anybody, whether they are experienced Commons users or not. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for speaking for some of the rest of us!! I only upload a photo when I know exactly where it will be placed in en.wikipedia. I had thought perhaps I was being blocked for some reason, which is puzzling. In addition, the professional photographers who give up their copyrights then want to see the results, and when you can't give them an answer, it looks pretty dicey, you know? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Let me try something in the next talk section. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Flickr upload bot not working. Please note this on main Flickr upload page that links to it.

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The Flickr upload bot is not working at this time. Can an admin please indicate this on the main Flick upload page:

On the Flickr upload page is this: "Commons provides an experimental service, ..."

It links to User:Flickr upload bot. It is not working right now. Please see the previous talk section, and the comment today from Leahtwosaints. The actual bot page is

Others are having problems too. See her English wikipedia talk page, en:User talk:Leahtwosaints, and the comments there today. SpinningSpark says this there: "the bot that copies pictures from Flickr to Commons is not working." --Timeshifter (talk) 03:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the late responds,
Its already working again so I didnt't place it on the page.
Best regards,
Huib talk 17:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Bryan maintains his User:Flickr upload bot less often. As of July 11, 2009 he only responds to emails, and is no longer checking his talk page regularly. It is where people are instructed to note problems. See User talk:Flickr upload bot which points to User talk:Bryan.

I am no longer part of the active Commons community and do not intend to become so in the foreseeable future. I won't check this page regularly, so in case you need me, send an mail. -- Bryan (talk to me) 21:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The actual upload page http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload does not mention the possibility of problems and what to do. The upload limits of 24 uploads per user per hour discussed at User:Flickr upload bot are also not mentioned. Could you leave a note on the main Flickr upload page telling people about these limitations, and also that the bot is no longer as regularly maintained? Otherwise many people may give up. Main Flickr upload page:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=fromflickr --Timeshifter (talk) 03:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Flickr upload page is totally unclear to some people

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Could the instructions part of the Flickr upload page be lowered from full protection to semi-protection? Then the instructions could be clarified over time. It is not being done now by admins. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

(Later note: maybe create an editable Doc page and transclude it into the intro.)

en:User:Leahtwosaints manages to convince people, musicians in particular, to give up some of their images, and make them free to use. Oftentimes by convincing them to change the license for a Flickr image. After all that work, though, she, and I bet many others, get stopped by the various Commons Flickr upload tools.

From en:User talk:Leahtwosaints#Manual uploading:

Thanks. Apparently, I was too optimisic in my ability to learn this. I easily saved the image I (SUPPOSEDLY ALREADY UPLOADED VIA THE FLICKR TOOL OVER 24 HOURS AGO of Jeff Sipe which I still don't see any probably never will). I don't know what is up in Commons, but the old easier way with the Bryan upload doesn't work anymore. Before, I'd wait about 8 hours. Now, after a couple days still nothing but a green check mark there saying, "You can upload a photo of Jeff Sipe". (D'UH!) I got as far as saving the image to my computer in the photo section. I changed the name to Jeff_Sipe.jpg. I got as far as opening the image and it was there after choosing this is someone else's work from Flickr, and then, there was nothing there. No template. And the more I looked around, it seemed a million places were telling me to "use this upload tool" or "that upload tool", and I couldn't tell it the answers, like "What is the photographer's URL?" (This was AFTER what is the URL of the photo, which was obvious.") Hell, I don't know. I only know he calls himself Five Low Notes. And worse, there are other photos from Flickr that I am expecting to become GDFL licensed.
In other words.. I'm not up to the task. I wonder if there's a way to find out if this situation with Wikimedia Commons (being either so slow, or inoperable) is now permanent. I did see on Flickr that some legal issue was resolved by Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons, and that now as of like, a week or two ago, hundreds of Wikipedias worldwide can now use Creative Commons to upload stuff. Maybe people are flooding the place, and that's why I couldn't even log into Commons (here, it's after midnight in Washington, D.C.) for about 15 minutes just to look for things. I don't know what I'll do about photos. Nobody at Commons seems to want to teach the most basic things (like how to create a Category so they don't have to sort through a billion images saying "Music" later).. and with that Flickr upload, I know exactly what you are saying about categories available. I do try lots of other categories which, if already there, allows me to be very specific with the upload tool, but if not there- like, no category saying "Allman Brothers band", so Gregg Allman is just a "Keyboardists from the United States". Not exactly helpful, if you ask me. Anyway. Can you help to find and upload Jeff Sipe for me? I suppose my photo days are over after this one. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

From en:User talk:Leahtwosaints#Re: Can you assist there is also the following discussion:

Hey, I've been working on the Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam article for some time, though User: Tvoz is the lead editor on the article. I've had next to no chances to get any clear photo of the young face of Cat Stevens, and the two photos that we have there showing the young man and the older man, I got from the only people in Flickr that had anything that remotely had his face, with the exception of some copied publicity shots that people just were showing but were not theirs. Because of another reason-- I was asked by Tvoz to contact Cat Stevens' publicist and in addition, ask him about getting some non copyrighted photos. He mailed two to me, with the captions to be used, but I don't know anything about that ORTIS stuff and don't want to get involved with all that at Commons. I can barely upload stuff from Flickr. Do you have any possible solutions? Would you be willing to handle it, or do you know someone who can? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I am overwhelmed by stuff to do. See Commons:OTRS. You can forward the email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org and they will follow through on it, and tell you what to do. I did it once a long time ago for some images I got permission for by email. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's too bad. See the post just above this one. My photo and work with Commons days are utterly over. Despite some great coaching from another person, I can't even figure out why the Bryan tool won't work anymore, so I'm lost, and just was reaching beyond my limitations. Oh well. I guess the black and white shot of Stevens' body will have to do. Thanks anyway. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand. Maybe you will come back later to the Commons. Maybe not. I have gotten little cooperation at the Flickr upload talk page about some of my suggestions. Maybe they did not believe the problems were serious. See the talk archives there.
OTRS people, on the other hand, were very helpful and fast when I forwarded permission info to them.
Maybe, if you want to, you can copy some of your comments and specific problems to MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext/fromflickr. Maybe they need to hear about the specific problems and how serious they are.
The Byran upload tool creator is no longer fully keeping an eye on problems with the tool. Only the regular Flickr upload page works consistently. User talk:Bryan:

I am no longer part of the active Commons community and do not intend to become so in the foreseeable future. I won't check this page regularly, so in case you need me, send an mail. -- Bryan (talk to me) 21:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

--Timeshifter (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for making the effort. Perhaps Bryan would have some insight into what I am doing wrong, and how to find a photo that for some reason I uploaded, is in Commons, and I just can't find! It's insane. I can even click the gizmo to tell me how many times the image for Jeff Sipe who I uploaded days ago has been used, and it says, zero. So it's there, or it would say there is no image with that name. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I think all, or parts of, the upload page should have the protection lowered from full protection to semi-protection. Then the page would be clarified over time. I am talking about the introductory text, and not the form itself. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)  Not done . These are MediaWiki pages and as such part of the system messages. They cannot be edited by anyone else but admins. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 21:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)





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