Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests/Archive 3

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Red and blue sets

I would like some more icons in the red and blue sets. In the blue set future continuation arrows backward and forward   (exCONTg blue) and   (exCONTf blue), and tunnel station   (tBHF blue). In the red set future tunnel station   (extBHF red). The missing images can be seen here. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

✓ Done. Useddenim (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

In the red set please create   (exBHFCCe red), a future version of   (BHFCCe red) and the future red version of   (BHFCCe), and   (extBS2l red), the future red version of   (extBS2l). In the blue set please create   (DST blue), the blue version of   (DST) and   (uDST),   (TUNNELa blue), the blue version of   (TUNNELa) and   (uTUNNELa), and   (tBS2r blue), the blue version of   (tBS2r) and   (utBS2r). Just like   (tBHF red-blue) is split left/right red/blue, could a   (STR) and   (BHF) be split left/right red/blue,   (STR red-blue),   (BHF red-blue)? The needed images can be seen here. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Or you could learn to use a text editor and figure out how to change six characters in a file. But we don’t need your half-assed version of an RDT in the first place... Useddenim (talk) 00:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I was hoping for more participation in the discussions to decide what to do with the Edmonton diagram, so that I don't make half-assed proposals, but if users won't help me here I guess the diagram will stay as is. 117Avenue (talk) 04:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Discussion: IMHO—and others’ too—there should be a basic diagram for the network (on the system page—in this case en:Template:ETS LRT future on en:Edmonton Light Rail Transit) with only “coarse” detail (stations, major rivers, tunnel start/end etc.), and individual diagrams with “fine” detail (connecting, adjacent & crossing lines, yards & other infrastructure, over- and underpasses, etc.) for each route: en:Template:Metro Line on the en:Metro Line page, en:Template:Capital Line on the en:Capital Line page, and en:Template:Valley Line (ETS) on the en:Valley Line page (when it’s finally created). Useddenim (talk) 00:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying with starting your comment with "Discussion" in bold. Do you believe that stating your opinion on an unrelated talk page on a different project, is participating in the Edmonton discussion on Wikipedia? Please join the discussion at en:Template talk:ETS LRT route#Metro Line routes and en:Template talk:ETS LRT future#Use. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 05:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
That's just willful misunderstanding on your part. Useddenim (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

New icons created for stations and stops

Hi, I've drawn 38 new stations/stops icons, and uploaded them on Commons. They have not yet any place in these tables, apart from first 2. They are:   (DSTCCa),   (DSTCCe),   (DSTCCqa),   (DSTCCqe),   (DSTCC),   (DSTCCq), and similar series for   (BSTCC) (6 icons),   (HSTCC) (6 icons),   (SHSTCC) (6 icons),   (SBHFCC) (6 icons),   (S+BHFCC) (6 icons); beside them, two icons for parallel lines (  (vBHFCC)/  (vBHFCCa). In those schemes also   (BHFCCqa)/  (BHFCCqe) are missing (they were created by another user in 2010).

I'm going to make the t (tunnel) version for all of those drawings. --Tener (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

✓ Added them. Feel free to edit those pages, we will only be grateful! t versions should show up once you upload them (if not, make an empty edit). YLSS (talk) 18:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

road link

Are there icons that signify a station with a road link? That is, a station with a rail line going one way, and a "generic road" going another?

I have looked at the catalogues of BSIcons including the Tuvalkin lists, but it seems this kind of icon simply does not exist. There are "road/rail" icons but they only concern themselves with crossings of rail lines and roads. I'm looking for a simple station with the rail line going out one way and a road going out another way - in essence, a red dot with one red line and one grey(?) line. (the interchange icons are complex and unintuitive - there might be something useable there but my eye did not catch it).

Thus my first question is: am I going about this the wrong way?

Assuming I'm not, what icon (or, possibly) overlay of icons can I use?

Specifics always help, so here is my situation:

Check out en:Template:Keewatin Railway and the Pukatawagan station. I would like to crisply display that the station lies outside and to the right of the actual settlement, and that from the station you need to drive left on a road to get to town.

On Google maps, enter "Pukatawagan, MB, Canada", zoom in three or four steps until the rail line appears. Switch to Satellite view and you will see how the rail station is to the right of the community, connected by a road.

As I envision this, I would like a town icon in the left column and the rail station icon (the KBHFxa one) in the right. These should be connected, but not by red (rail) instead by gray ("generic road").

Any thoughts much appreciated, thx 90.229.34.175 10:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean BSicon RP1w.svgBSicon KBHFxa.svg ? All you need to do is use an overlay. The RDT code would be {{BS3|town|RP1w|O2=KBHFxa|251||[[Pukatawagan, Manitoba|]]}} where “town” is replaced by whatever icon you want to use for the town. (BTW, the Template link you included above should be [[:en:Template:Keewatin Railway]].) Useddenim (talk) 12:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes and yes - thanks! 90.229.34.175 06:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

trackage rights

Hello and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask:

I'm trying to create a route diag for the following:


(the same picture in both links)

I can't find any documentation on how to depict trackage rights. I'm using "LUECKE" icons in my current attempt, but that's just pure guesswork.

Also, is there a way to signify two different rail lines perhaps by color? Both are "heavy rail", so this will not work if such must at all times remain deep red.

Feel free to have a look at my template - en:Template:Mobile Grain - any advice on how to proceed would be welcome. (I'm not asking you to do my work for me, I just want to know the standard way to proceed. Any examples would be most useful) CapnZapp (talk) 10:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, there is a whole palette of icons with different colours, have a look at Category:Icons for railway descriptions/other colors. Just provide a note at the top or at the bottom of the diagram explaining what colour is used for which purposes, as in e.g. en:Template:Duckmanton Junction. YLSS (talk) 10:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! CapnZapp (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Any suggestions for my trackage rights question? CapnZapp (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Just use the different colors for the different trackage rights and put in a note about the meanings. Blue and green have a pretty comprehensive set of diagrams, so you shouldn't have too much trouble making a red/green/blue diagram. Vanisaac (talk) 07:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Restroom facilities

KINTACCa BSicon .svg
Union Station Toilets unisex.svg
HSTACC BSicon .svg
Rockville

Hello. I was wondering how to add a svg image of unisex toilets [1] to add to maps showing major stations having these public facilities (e.g. Union Station in Washington, D.C. or Penn Station in NYC). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jaywubba1887 (talk) 06:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure you want to add such an image into the diagram? If you really want to mark such things, maybe it would be enough to place this image next to the station name? Either directly or via a template, like en:Template:rint. YLSS (talk)

Greyhound Bus Lines route diagrams

Hello again. I have been trying to figure out how to creat, or at least start, route diagrams for Greyhound Bus Lines, i.e. the equivalent of Amtrak's route diagrams. Any help? Thanks in advance! P.S. I have one thing that could help: on the greyhound bus article, there's a direct link to the timetables, which are updated regularly, along with updates from time to time on schedule changes, etc. Jaywubba1887 (talk) 07:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Some links, please? -- Tuválkin 18:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Shifts

Category:Icons for railway descriptions/shift – kinda live experiment... YLSS (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Love it, very good! -- Tuválkin 18:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Naming of SHI4 + STRq

SHI4rq + STRq
BSicon SHI4rq.svg
SHI4rq + STRq
utSHI4+lq + utSTRq
BSicon utSHI4+lq.svg
utSHI4+lq + utSTRq
extSHI4g+lq
extSHI4g+lq
SHI4lq + SHI4rq
BSicon SHI4lq.svg
SHI4lq + SHI4rq
( = SHI4lrq)
extSHI4lq + extSHI4g+lq
BSicon extSHI4lq.svg
extSHI4lq + extSHI4g+lq
( = extSHI4gl+lq)
extSHI4+rq + extSHI4g+lq
BSicon extSHI4+rq.svg
extSHI4+rq + extSHI4g+lq
( = extSHI4g+lrq)
moved from ru:User talk:YLSS

How should we name these combined icons? Thx. -- Sameboat - 同舟 03:12, 30 декабря 2013 (UTC)

An interesting question. I used "q" in   (SHI4rq) in the sense "rotate everything by 90° CC", so theoretically (SHI4grq) for junction is possible. But I think BSicon STRq.svgBSicon SHI4rq.svg  (SHI4qr) would do, like   (ABZq2). YLSS (talk) 11:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Uploaded   (extSHI4g+lq), please check if you need revision to the SVG code. Also please suggest naming of other forking combinations. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Wait... shouldn't we follow the new rule of 90 degree ABZ so   (extSHI4q+l) should be renamed to ((extSHI4ql)) like   (ABZql)? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
If direction q is →‎, then   (extSHI4q+l) is correct, but   (ABZql) should actually be   (ABZq+l)! Useddenim (talk) 02:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
From my point of view, both the code and the name are completely OK. With former (ABZ3)s, the pattern of   (STRq) +   (STRl) =   (ABZql) was more or less forced upon us by Axpde (no regrets about that; it is an equally justifiable solution, even though against the wished of the majority, so thanks to him for doing most of the work). In case of shifts, these two patterns are not equal: while   (STRl) =   (*STR+lq),   (SHI4l)  (SHI4+lq). So, (extSHI4g+lq) would technically be the most precise name; but I do not foresee any conflicts if we settle with (extSHI4q+l). YLSS (talk) 09:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I will go for the SHI4g because it is parallel to KRWg and easier to memorize. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
So for to/from branch, should it be (SHI4gl+lq) or (SHI4glq+lq)? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
(SHI4gl+lq), if so. YLSS (talk) 17:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

HUB47–50

        I hope I haven't done anything wrong and did not occupy numbers reserved for some other HUBs...    looks OK. YLSS (talk) 13:00, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

No, there’s no rhyme nor reason to the way HUB numbers were/are assigned. Do you want to take a stab at renaming them logically? ☺ Useddenim (talk) 12:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Nope! YLSS (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Highway medians

I'm looking to make   (MROADq) versions of   (vSTRa-),   (SPLer),   (vSTR), and related icons for making diagrams of lines and stations in the median of freeways. I'm specifically wondering if people feel that the yellow median should be expanded to fill the entire middle of the parallel roadways, or whether it should be a simple 40/20 gap 20/40 to show the roadway splitting. The rail icons would just be overlaid on the highway icons from there, so this is all about whether there should be a blank gap behind the rail icons, or if the background of the rail lines should be uniformly yellow to indicate their placement in the median. Vanisaac (talk) 05:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Why not just use generic roads? Then you can do things such as BSicon v-RP2a.svgBSicon STR.svg (STRv-RP2a) , BSicon vRP2.svgBSicon STR.svg (STRvRP2)  etc. with existing icons.
If you do expand the (MROAD) set, then please note that:
(i) many of the existing icons are poorly named;
(ii) the color should be changed (slightly) to match set red (EF161E) and set yellow (FFD702); and
(iii) the yellow stripe should stay 20px wide, centred on the red (i.e. don’t bloat it up and fill the entire middle as in BSicon BHF yellow.svgBSicon vSTR.svg ). Useddenim (talk) 13:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Glad to see I'm not the only one stuck with this problem. As Useddenim has suggested, I had already attempted to do this using overlays such as BSicon vRP2.svgBSicon uSTR.svg (uSTRvRP2) , however the set of icons related to   (vRP2) is extremely limited and leaves some things as impossible to do at the moment. For instance, there is no q version   (vRP2q), no variations of curves   (vRP2lf), or elevated versions   (hvRP2). Additionally, the   (vRP2) and   (RP4) sets aren't exactly highway descriptors and don't have sufficient junction pieces. A dedicated set of highway median pieces or an expanded version of the boulevard pieces would be extremely helpful. Lost on Belmont (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Screw it. To fully make this functional, vRP2 should probably be made it's own category. (See Category:Icons for motorway descriptions/generic/RP2/divided. Useddenim (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)) These are the base set of icons I think are needed.
  (vRP2q) divided sideways
  (vRP2lf) divided curve from top to screen right
  (vRP2rf) divided curve from top to screen left
  (vRP2rg) divided curve from bottom to screen right
  (vRP2lg) divided curve from bottom to screen left
(vRP2a2q)   (RP2yvRP2q) start divide 2 to 4, sideways
(vRP2e2q)   (vRP2yRP2q) end divide 2 to 4, sideways
  (vRP2a-) start transition right to 4 divided
  (v-RP2e) end transition left to 4 divided
  (vRP2e-) end transition right to 4 divided
  (v-RP2aq) start transition top bottom to 4 divided sideways
  (vRP2a-q) start transition bottom top to 4 divided sideways
  (v-RP2eq) end transition top bottom to 4 divided sideways
  (vRP2e-q) end transition right top to 4 divided sideways
(vRP2a4q)   (RP4yvRP2q) start transition 4 to 4 divided sideways
(vRP2e4q)   (vRP2yRP4q) end transition 4 to 4 divided sideways
Granted, I don't need all of these. What I need at the moment is   (vRP2q) divided sideways,   (vRP2lf) divided curve from top to screen right, ((vRP2e4q))   (vRP2yRP4q) end transition 4 to 4 divided sideways,   (vRP2rg) divided curve from bottom to screen right,   (vRP2rf) divided curve from top to screen left,   (vRP2a-) start transition right to 4 divided, and "???" divided over sideways RP4. Lost on Belmont (talk) 16:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! This is pretty spiffy. And I see you've already taken care of the catalog. Nice work. Lost on Belmont (talk) 23:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done. Got a little side-tracked, but also created a few others. Useddenim (talk) 16:20, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Solid cover for elevated (h) icons

See also Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness#Transparency/masking in elevated icons (a perennial question)
hleerABZgr+r or hLEERgr+r?
hleer

I want to solve the overlapping glitch when another icon is placed under the elevated icon and details of the lower icon can be seen through the bridge area (e.g. en:Template:DLR Route diagram, the superimposition before and after West India Quay bypass)Fixed. Useddenim (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC). The shape kinda reminds me the HUB set initially created by me, but now I regret for the numerical presuffix. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 03:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I use a MASK icon. Useddenim (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I suggest (lhMABZgr+r) for that one (M for masking, lhROOT instead of hleer; BSicon hNULc3.svgBSicon lhSTR-Rrf.svgBSicon lhSTR-L.svg  should be (lhABZgr), sans masking). Also, I may note that overwriting masks possibly created minor issues at wikis that use #FFFFFF background for RDTs, like no.wp and it.wp (the latter explicitly rejects any proposals to start using standard BS templates). YLSS (talk) 08:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I did that for consistency because some MASK is #F9F9F9 but some #FFF. As for the RDT in it.wp, since many of their maps apply Wikitable class, #F9F9F9 MASK is in fact a perfect match as in it:Ferrovia Milano-Asso#Percorso. If no.wp editor complains about the change, guess we need both versions of colors running parallel, but #FFF version should act as an alternative. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Elevated icons request

BSicon .svg ÜWc2 CONT3
CONTgq xABZq2+1
exCONTfq + ÜWc34
BSicon exCONTfq.svg
BSicon .svg ÜWc1 CONT4
BSicon .svg
uSTR + vRP2
BSicon uSTR.svg
BSicon .svg
BSicon .svg
uSTR + vRP2
BSicon uSTR.svg
BSicon .svg
BSicon .svg
uSTR + vRP2
BSicon uSTR.svg
BSicon .svg

Okay... So what you see in the little BS-table over there is the closest approximation I could make here in commons to begin describing what I need. If you click here and scroll down to the little one labeled "Chicago Junction Crossing" you'll see what I unsuccessfully tried to create here.

I need everything in red as an elevated version, but those elevated icons need to be able to be overlaid on top of the highway median overlays (depicted here as being below the junction) without rendering in a funky way. The a specific icon for the middle would be too specific an application, I think, to warrant creation, however some elevated icons with appropriate masks could probably do the trick nicely. Another problem arises in that some of the existing icons don't work well together and portions of their "formation" parts overlap in undesirable ways.

Thanks in advance. Lost on Belmont (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I don't think overlay versions have much chance to be re-used either, but still it was fun creating them (and even more trying to find a suitable name for them). So here you are:   (lhMABZq2+1) &   (lhdSTRq+c34). Notice also that the unused continuation had to be moved forward by 10px (otherwise there would be no place for a neat icon showing the "backside" of an elevated junction), and now hovers above the text (half of the letter "C" leads to the file description page, if clicked). If that is undesirable and if you don't mind widening the diagram by 10px, you can substitute the following:
BS6||c|hCONTgq|vRP2|O4=uSTR|O42=lhMABZq2+1|O43=xABZq2+1|exdSTRq|O5=lhdSTRq+c34|O52=ÜWc34|cd|O6=exhCONTfq
-- YLSS (talk) 15:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
That's perfect. Thanks! Lost on Belmont (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Renaming, please

(vRP2yRP4+4): Far from the best of names, but I couldn’t figure out what it should be. Useddenim (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I think   (RP4+4yvRP2) is a better name, even if a kind of hybrid between usual BSicon naming and the experimental system I tried to have in these road icons (according to the latter it would be rather something like (RP22syRP4nw), I think.). -- Tuválkin 01:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I couldn’t figure out the best place for the “+4”. Useddenim (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)