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Localization of Template:Artwork for it [edit]
Please translate the label "Exhibition history" into italian "Esposizioni" and "Object history" into "Provenienza". Thanks Raoli ✉ (talk) 17:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Done for "Exhibition history". "Object history" was already done on translatewiki. --Jarekt (talk) 18:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Done for "Exhibition history". "Object history" was already done on translatewiki. --Boldfaced or italic original-language title? [edit]
Shall the original-language title of the artwork within the parameter title be boldfaced or italicised? Since the template description says it should be boldfaced whereas the example code given will italicise it. Perhaps can anybody correct it. Thanks in advance, --Marsupium (talk) 13:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- I never noticed that part of the documentation, so I was never adding boldface or italic to the titles, but it sounds like a good idea. It is something that needs to be done on each page separately, so there is nothing to correct. --Jarekt (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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- You are of course right that each page has to be formatted according to the documentation so that the output fulfils its claim. However, the documentation itself is contradictory. It says:
- “boldface the original-language title, for example:
- {{en|''The Title of the Picture''.}}”
- But in the example “The Title of the Picture” won't be boldfaced but italicised! Therefore the documentation should perhaps be corrected. Anyway we could even consider to add an optional parameter for an original titel if known (probably only titles given by the artist himself should be permitted) similar to the parameter title_orig in en:Template:Infobox book or the parameter ORIGINALTITEL in de:Vorlage:Textdaten with one of the outputs the undetermined documentation proposes. --Marsupium (talk) 02:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- In many languages, it is customary to add italics to titles. I think adding boldface as well looks slightly better. It is true that usage may vary across languages, and that it is not always clear what the "title" of an artworks means (given by the artist, used by all art historians ? or just used in the museum's database ?). {{Title}} tries to deal with those points. --Zolo (talk) 11:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- I guess the Wikipedia Manual of Style dictates the use for all of Wikimedia, which says: Italic type should be used for the following names and titles: … Works of art and artifice … Paintings, sculptures and other works of visual art
It would be a good idea to strive for a consistent style and describe explicity the formatting of the parameter descriptions, if they deviate from plain (un-italicized, un-bolded) formatting, and also actually format the example texts themselves to reduce contradictions and confusion. Note that even the Mona Lisa-example further down the guide doesn't italicize or embolden the titles.
I have also noticed that some titles of portraits include the year when the person lived, in parenthesis, also italicized, like in File:1stLordClifford.jpg. The original title probably doesn't include these numbers, so should they be just erased? ~ Nelg (talk) 15:19, 15 March 2013 (UTC)- Yes, I think we should reconsider the handling of artwork titles in Commons, taking in consideration en:WP:VAMOS#Works of art (which I am adapting for German Wikipedia right now). In Anglo-American (and also German) use such titles seem to be italicised normally. I think titles should be italicised, too. However, with titles in Commons we have the problem of the possible but not necessary existence of an original language title. If we boldface a title it should be the original language title – if existing – rather than the translated one, so I would prefer to change the template description here and the function of {{Title}} somehow that way and find a possibility to indicate the origin of a title (by artist, by use and so on as Zolo said above) explicitly since there is no possibility to denote them in an article text here! --Marsupium (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- I guess the Wikipedia Manual of Style dictates the use for all of Wikimedia, which says: Italic type should be used for the following names and titles: … Works of art and artifice … Paintings, sculptures and other works of visual art
- In many languages, it is customary to add italics to titles. I think adding boldface as well looks slightly better. It is true that usage may vary across languages, and that it is not always clear what the "title" of an artworks means (given by the artist, used by all art historians ? or just used in the museum's database ?). {{Title}} tries to deal with those points. --Zolo (talk) 11:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Parameters [edit]
Workes the parameter inscription? I tried {{inscription}} and {{signed}} with File:Dürigen, 1897, T05.JPG.
There may be something wrong with {{Reproduction}}, too. See Template talk:Reproduction. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Localization de: [edit]
References = Anmerkungen ? Better would be “Referenzen” Because parameter notes = “Bemerkungen” is nearly in German the same as “Anmerkungen”. The relevant string is here MediaWiki:Wm-license-artwork-references/de -- ΠЄΡΉΛΙΟ ℗ 17:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Done I changed the master copy at http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wm-license-artwork-references/de. I am not sure when it is going to update. --Jarekt (talk) 18:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
German translation of „Dimensions“ and „Object history“ [edit]
Please translate the topic „Dimensions“ into German „Maße“ (instead of Ausmaße) and „Object history“ into „Provenienz“, see for example.Thanks.––Oursana (talk) 20:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikidata [edit]
I have begun to map this template onto Wikidata properties (see wikidata:Wikidata:Artworks task force). It is still fairly crude but inputs are welcome ! --Zolo (talk) 12:23, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- Great. However what kind of uses do you imagine? I imagine filling parameters of Template:Category definition: Object and similar templates. May be even create Object/Artwork namespace similar to Creator/Institution. What were your thoughts?--Jarekt (talk) 12:38, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- Not sure actually. Wikidata's development team is supposed to start working on Commons integration in a few months and I have no idea what will come out. In an ideal World, I suppose we could just add |depicted artwork = Q12418 in the description of File:Mona Lisa, by Leonardo da Vinci, from C2RMF retouched.jpg to get more or less the same thing as now, but with all data about the artwork itself stored in Wikidata. Otherwise, yes, possibly create an "artwork" namespace that would serve as an itermediary step between Wikidata and file descriptions. --Zolo (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
