Template talk:Retouched picture

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Documentation[edit]

The intention of this template is to provide a quick and easy way note that an image has been touched up. It contains several optional parameters: The example provided below uses all of them, but note that the only mandatory one is the first (the one regarding what in the image was touched up).

Images with this template are automatically added to Category:Retouched pictures.

Syntax[edit]

{{RetouchedPicture|CHANGES|editor=MODIFIER|orig=LOCATIONOFORIGINALIMAGE|origoff=LOCATIONOFORIGINALIMAGEIFOFFWIKI}}

Where:

  • changes is replaced by a summary of the modifications made
  • editor = The modifier of the image in question
  • orig = The location of the original image, if it's onwiki (i.e., can be linked to with [[internal link double square brackets]]
  • origoff = The location of the original image, if it's offwiki (i.e., only linkable with [external link single square brackets])

Which pictures should be listed?[edit]

All pictures with modifications other than touch ups by the photographer, which only try to compensate for technical deficiencies of the capturing aparatus (camera, scanner). These include:

  • whitebalance, contrast, saturation
  • color curves (i.e. to lighten shadows)
  • sharpening
  • lens distortion, leaning, perspective correction
  • cropping (as long as the main subject is not altered)

I would suggest calling it "AlteredPicture" - don't think of cropping as a "retouch", and we want to track chains of major crops from an original just as much as minor ones. Stan Shebs 20:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest to add "dust and scratches" to the above. I am often touching up photos from the Bundesarchiv or Fotothek and dust, spots, and scratches are a common problem. --Sebari (talk) 10:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't know that "dust and scratches" is really of the same sort as most of those in the list: It has more ability to distort reality then linear operations like (whitebalance, contrast, saturation, usually sharpening) single pixel non-linear operations (like color curves, cropping) or even image data independent affine transforms (perspective correction)... Imagine an overzealous dust and scratches removal, it could potentially a remove historically significant scar from a small face in the picture, resulting in future confusion. There should probably be a parametrizable template that encourages people to list all modifications and to link to an original. --Gmaxwell (talk) 14:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
There are parameters to both list the changes and link to the original :-). --Dschwen (talk) 16:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Usage[edit]

Link to separate unmodified picture provided[edit]

Applications-graphics.svg This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications: Recolored Empire State Building to match my shirt. The original can be viewed here: NYC_Top_of_the_Rock_Pano.jpg.

{{RetouchedPicture|Recolored Empire State Building to match my shirt|orig=NYC_Top_of_the_Rock_Pano.jpg}}

No original Picture link provided[edit]

Applications-graphics.svg This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications: Recolored Empire State Building to match my shirt.

{{RetouchedPicture|Recolored Empire State Building to match my shirt}}

Parameter editor=MODIFIER[edit]

Hi, this parameter is not very practical - I can't use it with editor=~~~, then the template create [[User:Luxo|Luxo]]. I propose to change this, then the template must be used with {{RetouchedPicture|CHANGES|editor=[[User:Luxo|Luxo]]}}; with this version one can also link to another project. The existent images with this parameter I will fix to the new version - I think that are not very much.--Luxo 23:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

✓ Done together with #Edit request: editor. Use parameter editoff= (see docu) sarang사랑 09:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete usage description[edit]

This line:

  • orig = The location of the original image, if it's onwiki (i.e., can be linked to with [[internal link double square brackets]]

does not mention that the original Image name should be without square backets (what is understandable) but also without "Image:" at the beginning. --Pabouk (talk) 10:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Category[edit]

Can we add {{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}}|File| to the cat so it only adds it to files. --Yarnalgo (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. --Slomox (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Used to tag images, that are retouched[edit]

Can someone who has the right to do so please change the template and remove the comma in the sentence above? (Was probably written by a German ...;-) -- H005 (talk) 20:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Add category[edit]

{{editprotected}} Could somebody please add Category:File namespace templates to the template. Cheers --Cwbm (commons) (talk) 12:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done --Dschwen (talk) 12:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Missing space[edit]

{{editprotected}} There is a missing space in the template. Here is an example from "File:Vladimir Potanin at the Rose Farm ski resort, Russia - 20110104.jpg": "Modifications: Cropped.The original can be viewed here ..." As you can see, there should be a space after the full stop following the word Cropped and the phrase "The original can be viewed here ...". Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

✓ Done --Mormegil (talk) 10:34, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Great. Thanks! — Cheers, JackLee talk 12:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Only for digitally altered pictures???[edit]

Hi! This template says that "[this picture] has been digitally altered from its original version". But pictures were retouched long before any digitalization. For example retouched pictures of warships where censor wanted to hide secret equipments, etc... Do we have retouchet template for non-digitally altered pictures? --Sceadugenga (talk) 07:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Agree with user Sceadugenga. Though I haven't gone to the pains of searching for such a template. -Mardus (talk) 23:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Needs "orig2", etc.[edit]

{{editprotected}}

This needs |orig2= parameters through some arbitrary number, e.g. |orig10=, and off-wiki equivalents, for images that are combinations of more than one original. This would reduce sometimes excessive template clutter. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 16:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Make a concrete proposal. I like templates but I not your slave :P You can only pass 9 params to autotranslate and it would require that you edit all translations. You'd better use one of these. So, not done. -- RE rillke questions? 19:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

The point is, that in some situations is the retouched image compilation of several more imges here, but the template has only one orig.file. He (and me too) wishes to put into the teplate all original images, which were used on the retouched picture. It is not valid info, when there is only one of several images, but without the orig file is not valid usage of the template. That is the problem SMcCandlish tried to explain.
Niusereset (talk) 16:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

More than one editor[edit]

Would be nice to be able to list more than one editor. Sometimes more than one has contributed to the overall changes. (And please don't suggest using a separate template for each editor... that's not much of a solution). – JBarta (talk) 01:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support --Ricordisamoa 04:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
✓ Done together with #Edit request: editor. Use parameter editoff= (see docu) sarang사랑 09:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

We should add interwiki parameter[edit]

In order to link to English Wikipedia images, we should add a interwiki parameter, that (if present) should be prefixed before the "File:". Like {{Retouched picture|orig=Some image on English Wikipedia|user=Some user on English Wikipedia|iw=en}}. — Eloy (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

"editor" parameter doesn't work[edit]

{{editprotected}} The template doesn't handle interwiki links for the "editor" parameter. It is incorrect to assume that the image editor has a Wikimedia Commons account, as images are often transferred from various wikis by administrators. In such cases, if one tries to prefix the username with the code for their language-specific Wikipedia account, e.g. :en:JohnSmith, the template now spews gibberish. — Quicksilver@ 15:51, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm assuming the template will generate a link [[User::en:JohnSmith]]. This can only be solved by adding a editor_lang' parameter. --Dschwen (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done together with #Edit request: editor. Use parameter editoff= (see docu) -- sarang사랑 09:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Multilingual modifications summary[edit]

There is an issue when using language templates such as {{en}} etc. because these templates insert line breaks by default, so it breaks formating. The word "Modifications" goes upper right while modifications summary go to the next line and also editor section starts at new line with a full stop mark. See example:

Applications-graphics.svg This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications:
English: Stitched photos
Ελληνικά: Συνενωμένες φωτογραφίες
. Modifications made by Protnet.

Any ideas how to implement multilingual summaries?--Ioannis Protonotarios (talk) 13:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Moreover, there are cases where one may want to use one or more readymade modification template boxes (such as the Template:Panorama) inside the Template:Retouched picture, like in the following example:

Applications-graphics.svg This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications:
Panorama request.svg NOTE: This image is a panorama of Itea consisting of 2 frames that were merged in Adobe Photoshop. As a result, this image necessarily underwent some form of digital manipulation. These manipulations may include blending, blurring, cloning, and color and perspective adjustments. As a result of these adjustments, the image content may be slightly different than reality at the points where multiple images were combined. This manipulation is often required due to lens, perspective, and parallax distortions.

Boarisch | Български | Dansk | Deutsch | Zazaki | Ελληνικά | English | Esperanto | Español | Eesti | Suomi | Français | Magyar | Italiano | 日本語 | Македонски | മലയാളം | Nederlands | Polski | Português | Русский | Slovenščina | Svenska | Türkçe | 中文 | +/−

. Modifications made by Protnet.

Therefore I think that the Template:Retouched picture should be modified to look something like this:

Applications-graphics.svg This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version.
Modifications:
1. Some foo modification
2. Multilingual
English: Stitched photos
Ελληνικά: Συνενωμένες φωτογραφίες
3. A template:
Panorama request.svg NOTE: This image is a panorama of Itea consisting of 2 frames that were merged in Adobe Photoshop. As a result, this image necessarily underwent some form of digital manipulation. These manipulations may include blending, blurring, cloning, and color and perspective adjustments. As a result of these adjustments, the image content may be slightly different than reality at the points where multiple images were combined. This manipulation is often required due to lens, perspective, and parallax distortions.

Boarisch | Български | Dansk | Deutsch | Zazaki | Ελληνικά | English | Esperanto | Español | Eesti | Suomi | Français | Magyar | Italiano | 日本語 | Македонски | മലയാളം | Nederlands | Polski | Português | Русский | Slovenščina | Svenska | Türkçe | 中文 | +/−


The original can be viewed here: Bar.jpg. Modifications made by Foo. The original can be found here.

Basically, all it needs is a couple of <br/>'s. And maybe change "Modifications:" to something like "The following modifications were applied:" (pardon my English, not a native speaker). And of course we must lose the spare dot.

--Ioannis Protonotarios (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit request: editor[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please replace the current code with the following:

{{Autotranslate|1={{{1}}}|2={{{orig|}}}|3={{{editor|}}}|4={{{origoff|}}}|5={{{editoff|}}}|base=Retouched picture}}{{{category|{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|File|[[Category:Retouched pictures|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>

It establishes a 5th parameter "editoff" (like "origoff"), allowing the often needed and multiple requested possibility of free formatting the editor. This will also satisfy the #Parameter editor=MODIFIER, #More than one editor and the #"editor" parameter doesn't work requests. The documentation is expanded for this parameter#5, at the moment just the English and the German localized version can handle it. As soon the template will be expanded it can display properly
{{Retouched picture|nothing|orig=Video clip edit.svg|editor=Rillke|editoff=[[User:Rillke#Welcome|'''''{{Color|#0C9|RE|bg=#FFF}}''''' rillke]]}}

Applications-graphics.svg This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version. Modifications: nothing. The original can be viewed here: Video clip edit.svg. Modifications made by RE rillke.

The expansion has been tested, it works fine. The categorizations are contained in the docu, therefore I removed it from the template. sarang사랑 09:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done. --Dschwen (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Das Anwendungsbeispiel mit der aufgehuebschten Unterschrift finde ich allerdings nicht so prickelnd. Das macht es nur schwieriger den Bearbeiter maschinell herauszulesen. Mit dem original editor parameter kann man z.B. eine Kategorie, CategoryImages edited by USERNAME automatisch einfügen. Wenn der editoff parameter jetzt nur fuer irgendwelche signature-spielereien missbraucht wird, werden die Daten deutlich entwertet. --Dschwen (talk) 16:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Ach, quatsch, der editor parameter ist ja immernoch da. Meine Bemerkung kannst also streichen. Es wird nur ein Problem, wenn der editor parameter weggelassen wird. --Dschwen (talk) 16:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Um Himmels willen, bei 109959 Vorlageneinbindungen (die alle "editor" verwenden!) sollte man sich tunlichst hüten was zu verbiegen. Aber diese Erweiterung ermöglicht endlich das schon mehrmals angefragte freiere Formatieren, zB die Angabe mehrerer User. Ich kann in der Doku noch darauf hinweisen dass immer auch "editor" mit einem gültigen Wert versorgt werden muss; zB editor=User|editoff={{Uc|User}} um den redlink zu vermeiden wenn die userpage nicht existiert. Ist das o.k.?
Dazu eine Frage: was wäre denn bei ausländischen usern als editor einzutragen, um die maschinelle Auswertung zu gewährleisten? Bei editoff wäre es zB {{U|Dschwenn||de}} für Dschwenn. Speziell dieser Fall des Verweises auf Benutzer ohne Commons-account tritt immer wieder bei Bildern aus anderen Wikipedias auf. Und das sollte auch irgendwie hinzubekommen sein; auch hier einfach den user angeben, auch wenn es keine Spuren von ihm in commens gibt?
Der Parameter "editor" ist bisher optional und wird oft nicht verwendet. sarang사랑 09:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Auslaender werden doch per SUL sowieso demnaechst zwangseingebuergert :-). Da sollten die Sprachlinks ueberfluessige werden. Vielleicht als guideline in die Dokumentation schreiben, das editor=Username (ohne namespace oder language prefix, und ohne wikimarkup) gesetzt wird, und bei meherern editoren sollten die usernamen alphabetisch durch Kommata getrennt aufgefuehrt werden. --Dschwen (talk) 16:36, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
P.S.: falls keine Commons nutzerseite existiert waere es besser eine (mit einem soft redirect) anzulegen. Das macht man dann nur einmal, und dann funktionieren alle Retouched Picture templates. --Dschwen (talk) 16:48, 1 February 2015 (UTC)