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Contents 1 automatically superseded? 2 Reverted the redirection 2.1 two template with common goals 3 Note, not to delete superseded images 4 Punctuation 5 Cat 6 SVG-Template 7 Umm? This doesn't make sense? = 8 auto translation 9 File namespace 10 Could I add a simple example of usage? 11 Linking of images

[edit] automatically superseded?

Just because a vector version of a file is available doesn't automatically make the vector version superior. This template should only say that the file is available; not that it is "superceded". — Omegatron 18:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. I have changed this template to match the one that is on En Wikipedia. In many cases a PNG must be used instead of the SVG for technical reasons. -- Borb 21:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Very well, this solves the problem about Image:Flag of Hong Kong SAR.png. I think I'll add an image to the template though. Fred Chess 00:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

What kind of technical reasons? --MarianSigler {bla} 21:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

For example, Rendering errors which are very common. I've collected some mistakes I've recognized some time ago on my userpage. --Sven 14:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, my own uploads have rendering errors, which is why I didn't want to put that my PNG version had superseded the SVG version. See Image:CNO Cycle.svg. -- Borb 11:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Arrows aren't working right, just repaint them with a simple line and a triangle at the end. I've had the same problems with *many* images, for example Image:Cups simple.svg. Since then, I usually convert arrows to vectors (which is not possible with Inkscape yet so you have to do it manually), for example Image:A size illustration.svg. --Sven 17:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Any tips on converting the Arrow heads to vectors manually? -- Borb 19:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe some programs like Adobe's have equivalent tools, Inkscape afaik doesn't serve converting tools. So simply create it by hand ;-))

--Sven 13:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually you can do it really easily. Select the line with markers on it. Go to Path > Stroke to Path. See this with markers converted: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CNO_Cycle.svg 30kB bigger than the one with markers but at least it works. -- Borb 20:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted the redirection

As it says above, there must be some way to indicate raster images which have a vector counterpart of some kind, but which may not be fully "superseded" (for various reasons). AnonMoos 22:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] two template with common goals

why does both this and Template:SupersededSVG exist? --Ysangkok 18:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Because there's no guarantee that a vector version of a file is good quality, or an accurate conversion. Therefore, there must be some way to indicate raster images which have a vector counterpart of some kind, but which may not be fully "superseded" (for various reasons). AnonMoos 22:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You may be right, but most of the pictures tagged with Vector version avaible are in fact superseded: take a sample of some pictures using Vector version. This is because most user don't know the difference of superseded and vectro version. If an image is proposed fo deletion (Commons:Deletion_requests/Superseded), the people who delete the picture check if it is really superseded or not. So I suggest redirecting this template to supersededSVG --DieBuche 11:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but if an SVG image "corresponds" to a raster image (or attempts to do so), but is low-quality, or has significant differences from the raster, then there needs to be some way of formally indicating this. There seem to be some admins who are on a deletion rampage on WikiMedia Commons, running around deleting everything in sight which has some kind of SVG counterpart, no matter how crude or primitive or low quality -- and the "vector version available" template is one of the few fragile reeds of protection which exist against these trigger-happy "delete at all costs" types. Only in the last few days, the former image Image:No cross.png was deleted, despite the fact that its alleged "replacement"[sic] Image:No cross.svg is ugly and low-quality, with a number of differences from the original PNG, and an alleged "cross" which barely even looks like a cross! If the existence of the "vector version available" template can help prevent the future occurrence of similar travesties, then it's definitely needed. AnonMoos 12:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I use {{{Vector version available}}} for the reasons outlined by AnonMoos - I feel that as the creator (or tracer) of the images I upload, I am not in a position to impartially judge their worthiness to "supersede" the original. So I use the former, and if someone else later thinks that the images are good enough to supersede, they are welcome to swap the templates. Stannered 00:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note, not to delete superseded images

Could someone please add this to the template as in Superseded:
<small>The deletion of superseded images has been suspended indefinitely; see [[Commons talk:Deletion requests/Superseded|the discussion]] for more information.</small>

--Matt 17:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Punctuation

{{editprotected}} Please remove the quotation marks from ("SVG") so that it reads (SVG). They are incorrect and there is absolutely no rational for them being there. See w:quotation mark. Reywas92 21:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. —David Levy 18:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cat

This should go in this cat: Category:Templates for marking as superseded. Evrik 02:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Look above. This particular template very specifically does not mark as superseded... AnonMoos 20:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SVG-Template

as it is constricted to SVGs, please could some admin sort it down into Category:SVG marker templates - or do we have other vector gaphics, we do: .PDF, and we had OpenOffice.org .SXD (I think we dismissed that) - well, both won't be rendered by now.. --W!B: 01:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

For the same reason, why specify the file type in the arguments?--Ainlina (talk) 16:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Umm? This doesn't make sense? =

when superior sounds weird, shouldn't it be 'when possible'? -- 16:43, 16 June 2008 68.9.226.101

When the SVG image is better in overall quality and suitability for intended purpose than the raster image is (which is not always the case). AnonMoos (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the wording is sloppy, and every time I see it I cringe. "It should be used in place of this raster image when superior.." when superior what? When superior quality is needed?--98.232.98.144 03:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Not sure how to state it better than "When the SVG image is better in overall quality and suitability for the intended purpose than the raster image is (which is not always the case)", as I already did directly above. AnonMoos (talk) 12:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] auto translation

Please change, or let me change, this template according to the change in Template:Speedy delete text for making this template auto translated. For users with German interface speeddelete is in German[1], for users with French interface it is in French[2] and so on. (currently works only in English, German, French, Hebrew and Italian but as sysops create more MediaWiki:Lang pages, it can work in all other languages). Thanks, ערן (talk) 06:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done I think - please double-check my work.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 18:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, ערן (talk) 19:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] File namespace

{{editprotected}}

Please replace

{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Image|[[Category:Vector version available|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}

in <includeonly> to

{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|File|[[Category:Vector version available|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}

. This correctly collects files into Category:Vector version available. --fryed-peach (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 05:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Could I add a simple example of usage?

{{editprotected}}

Just adding something like Example code: {{vector version available|new image name.svg}}, would do the trick, like in the instructional {{Convert to SVG}}-secton in Category:Global Warming Art images.

The reason I'm asking is because I wanted to use the but then didn't find any instructions on the actual template page. Please tell me if I've misunderstood completely. Thanks. Jarl Arntzen (talk) 21:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Now after adding it to the documentation I realize you meant the template itself... I'll add it to Template:Vector version available/en. Rocket000 (talk) 04:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done Now it will display an error message when you use it wrong or try to link to a non-existent image. It will remind you of the correct syntax. This only works on File: pages (that's why it's not displaying an error in the example). Rocket000 (talk) 04:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Linking of images

Would it be possible to link files on other wikis? I know a couple of cases where a vector version is available on another wiki that I would like to link, so somebody can transfer it if needed. I think a preview of the file would not be possible. In that case a message could be displayed that the file is on another wiki. --Cwbm (commons) (talk) 12:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 Comment: I removed {{editprotected}}, because it's not a request to make an edit, but rather a question if something is possible. --The Evil IP address (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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In most cases, it would be raster images on Wikipedias linking to an alternative vector image on Commons, not the reverse... AnonMoos (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)