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Beloved visitors, I please ask to reduce talk on this page to possible minimum. In case I ask Annie's question on some other place, I'd prefer to read the answer there, unless you decide otherwise. In most cases, articles talk page might be the better places for on-topic talks. In case you like to talk in German, you can also leave me a message at my home's backyard or might consider to e-mail me.
Former Questions, and more...
Mit Gruß, Wolfgang und Annie IP.

To Do[edit]

Lookup: en:Wikipedia:Double redirects

"/Questions to Friends, and stirred Shit, too"[edit]

will be the name of the archive where this page will be moved c.72hrs on from March 9, 2200UT, i.e. March 12, same time. Until then, visitors are asked to leave comments only on my actual debate with Bdk, in case they feel any urgence to do so. On anything else, let there please be silence mayday until stuff is archived, please. I changed my mind last night for not wanting to leave the impression that I avoid any debate, so, 72hrs instead of 24 should be higly sufficiant for any useful contribution. Until then, this place, if needed, is yours. Annie IP 06:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Most important Note[edit]

On de:User Talk:IP., beloved admin :Bdk: and The.Perfect.Beginner talk or talked about sense, nonsense and the usefulness of such pictures as Example.jpg and similar, as well as about the importance of recently failed improvements (in German). This note is put here on request of Bdk.

Nonsense. I just requested, that Huitzlipochtli III./W./IP./whatever corrects his technically false and inappropriate, aggressive statements on several pages. Anyway, he's in trouble with some other users on de.wikipedia, I don't know exactly what that is about, but I'm able to state, that I just answered to someone else (a simple technical question) months ago, what he did interprete now in a foolish way and than started a dispute about Image:Example.jpg here on Commons, in which I wasn't involved at all (I only uploaded that picture month ago) and don't care about this image. There was no dispute or something else with him at all. He started an absolutely strange discussion with needless personal flames without no reason ... --:Bdk: 21:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
My final opinion on this is on de:User Talk:IP. (Summary in English). One more statement, however: From someone quoting Mumonkan on his User Page I'd expected better noise. This chapter will be moved to Archive after 24 hrs from now on. Bye. Annie IP 22:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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{{welcome}} [[User:Rama|Rama]] 18:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[edit]

Beloved Rama, TX for the serial letter you sent. As my wikistress is, due to some tutorial work I started on de.WP, 2 weeks ago, about 101%, I tried to explain on my user page (one click away) that I do not very much intend user talk, i.e. not at all ;)
IF I get a serial letter with usable information as above, I dislike it being camouflaged ;) but would like to see it adressed in a less personal way, e.g. Dear Newbie or similar, and have it signed as what it is, by one of the wise old men's team or similar ;) as otherwise real newbies might believe there really would be someone interested in THAT SINGLE PERSON, which is not the case in this case.
This does neither mean that I dislike your letter, nor that I would dislike being here. I just prefer to put things clear (as explained in the German Text on Huitzlipochtli, in my less than perfect English: „...my mother's name is truth and clearlyness“), and I'll do my best to behave well, of course. Love, Wolfgang (AUT) 00:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Getting closer to work-to-be-done?[edit]

Hi, a few more things, please:

  1. Tried Duesentriebs CommonSense and found it to hard to understand for "The.Perfect.Beginner". Might be worth while to invest time on instructions-for-use of such? WolfgangW. 20:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. I created Handling Images in commons/Copyright tutorial this morning. Handling Images in commons is meant to contain tutorial material for "sic!". If that's not perfect English or not sufficiently clear, please correct, unless there IS already another place where to put such stuff. I intended until yesterday to create Category:tutorial (adjective, therefore no "s") but was convinced by Duesentrieb that there is not much use in it, and that I rather should create a gallery, which I made a sub-gallery now. Is that OK, or rather not?
  3. In Commons:Aufnahmekriterien#Lizenzen, Quellen und Bildinformationen I try to point out some suggestions which should be considered for the English page, too, IMHO. Would you mind to pass by and have a look, ca. 2 hrs from now on? You'd find a Foo there, BTW, too ;) TX, WolfgangW. 09:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC) NB: I'll leave comments in "my" English in hidden text there, soon within 2 hrs from now on), so, no reason NOT to pass by in case you do nat speek German).
  4. Having no reaction from you up to now, I just added the amendment above, and would like to ask you whether Bug's Picture Show would be an understandable name for a Gallery showing picture bugs? (Any other native English speaker who by chance passes by is welcome to leave comments on this, too!) lg, WolfgangW. 06:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Wolfgang. Sorry I didn't reply so quickly, I work on the evenings and don't have internet access (unlike university...)

  • CommonSense: OK, first of all I hope you have the interface set in German, right?? :) But I agree it's not really straightforward. The idea of it is to suggest categories/gallery pages to put your Commons image in, based on articles it's being used in and/or keywords you give the thing. So, for an example, I click "random orphan", and I get this [1] - a map. Now based on the fact that the map is being used in the article w:St._Catharines,_Ontario, CommonSense suggests Category:Cities. Obviously that's not a very useful category. So to help refine it, I type in these keywords: "st catharines, niagara, ontario, map" and hit "find categories". Now it gives me these suggestions: Category:Ontario,Category:Maps, Category:Writing and Category:Cities. Now I could add the image to both of the first two categories, but I have a suspicion there's a better category. So I hit "explore" after the category listing for Ontario. Which gives me this: [2] And wa-al! I see that Category:Maps of Ontario exists. The perfect category. Then I can edit the image description page for this image, add this category, and it is no longer an "orphan". Sometimes it's hard to find the right category. But it's better to have an imperfect category than no category. Even if I added this image to Category:Maps, that would be ok, because probably someone would come along and fix it later.
  • Handling images in commons looks really good. You did a great job in making it as language-neutral as possible. So, well done. :) I am not sure where you want me to look at the English???? And for a copyright tutorial, you wouldn't have all the old versions on there as well, would you? Also, pages like this should be in the Commons namespace, but they can be easily moved there when they're ready. I'm sure what Duesentrieb suggests is a good idea. :)
  • Re Template:Information - Please give as much information as possible on the file you are uploading. (Country, species, language, etc.)

Mach in der Bildbeschreibung möglichst umfassende Angaben wie LAND, SPEZIES, Sprache . Großgedrucktes IMO unverständlich ). UNFORTUNATELY, me.the.perfect.beginner does not understand what is meant by COUNTRY, SPECIES (upper case used to mark headlines and all what I don't understand -- they're just saying when you fill out "description", be as descriptive as possible. Pretend someone hit "Random" and found your image. Give them all the context they could possibly every want to know when looking at your image. Which country was it taken in? If it's a plant or animal, what species is it? Random "flowers" are not so useful. "Language" is only useful if you upload a media file, I think. What date was the image taken/created? What is interesting about it? Is it showing something very everyday or something unusual? Just give lots of background information like that. The most important thing about this template is that you use it, not that you get every little detail perfect. Whatever date format you use, people will figure out what you mean. If you took/created an image yourself, that's all you need to say, for 'source'. Otherwise, how did you get it? From a website, newspaper, library catalogue? Just mention the specifics so that if someone else wanted to look it up to check for themselves, they would be able to.

  • For the decision tree itself. Personally I would make a separate start "did you create this image yourself", because that's such a distinct case. For your comments here, stuff borrowed as such from websites (how, if, to mention?) this should probably be "unknown" or something similar - i.e., do not upload. If it gets tagged unknown, it should be looked at because it's probably not free. So please don't suggest any free license for this.
  • Bug's Picture Show - uhm, it's cute, but probably no, don't use this. It's not very clear what you mean. :) What do you mean by picture "bug"? To me a "bug" is like a technical fault, software or hardware failure, not "the user did something wrong". So making an image JPG when it should be PNG is not a bug, it's just a mistake. But when the MediaWiki software renders an SVG incorrectly, that's a bug.

Hope this helps. Please ask me again if I misunderstood anything or didn't answer clearly. cheers :) pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ever so much - I'll answer tomorrow (see below ;)) bye, WolfgangW. 16:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Step-by-step, somewhat slow today[edit]

Not for yesterday's glasses of wine, but unfortunatly as I feel there might soon be similar fights here with my old Teutonic contrahents as I by-far-more than just „sufficiently“ had, and can any time have again, on de:WP. So, for a warming-up, I start with the easiest:

  1. CommonSense will be treated last, as maybe even too heavy to me - I'm frightened of categories since I had written my first line in WP ;)
  2. Template Information - later but within ca. 10hrs, I guess
  3. Decision Tree: I had started with "did you make it yourself?"-branch, but later found out that the 100-year-rule seems to apply to many countries, on the one hand, and might, IF answered by Y, most probably lead to an upload (forgot about Crown Copyright at the beginning). I besides felt I wanted to have the positive branches first (left side). Set up otherwise, there are more disturbing red/gn changes - just have a look at the tree's development!
    On "development": No, for sure there are not many of those items to be kept in a "Copyright tuorial", I just wanted to have them saved for now, but following Duesentrieb' proposal AND the red link he gave on VP, I clicked, created the by-him-proposed Gallery (obviously in the wrong namespace), and put the stuff there. I possibly might like to keep those pictures on my User page, to document the slow growing of my idea, but for now they shall stay on the wrong place, not too many people will stumble over them, I guess ;).
  4. Bad luck for Mr. Bug and for my snappy headline, meant as an allusion on the Rock Horror, too, but you're terribly right, I mixed up terms. A bug was only my lousy written PNG from 0303, but I wanted to collect any non-useful handling of pictures, including bugs.
  • I save this now, but later will edit it again - no need to answer before tomorrow, I think. bye, WolfgangW. 08:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

NB: Creating my category as your sub-category should (a) help to prevent premature delition and (b) signalize approximately „yours till the end ;)“

Your "old Teutonic contrahents"? I confess, sometimes I have no idea what you mean, and this is one of those times. Nevermind, it's equal parts charming and baffling. *grins*
For the decision tree. My personal opinion is that the situation is too complicated to fit reality into a chart. For example in Australia, anything pre-1955 is Public domain, but in 2005 we changed it from 50 years to 70 (to match America). So for the next 20 years we will have a virtual "freeze" and nothing new will be released, and it will be complicated, until 2025 when everything is 70+ years old. There are sooooooo many exceptions to everything. But anyway, it seems lots of people like it, and if it helps someone, well that's a good thing... --pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
(a) How would you feel about having 20hr editing on an article reverted, without any discussion, by some comment like "all bloody nonsense". How would you feel about pages whilst marked InUse and whilst being edited being killed by "quick-delete" for not pleasing some admin? (SlowMox)
[b] Well, I do know it's too complicate, but on the other hand they use the awful 1st edition (january2006) on several german pages, and I still think mine more understandable. Besides, by the possibility of adding footnotes to (1), (2), (3) one could explain details for certain countries as broadly as someone is willing to exoplain. The decision tree is meant as a start for the very beginner, to find out what-about he might have to investigate. BTW, "Third party" IMVHO means ANYBODY but the Uploader and some ovious Owner of rights, NOT being restricted by "Duesis" opinion on that (I know that style too well to turn down my trials, sorry. Not from D. up to now, but there's a bunch of "comrades" hunting me, seriously). So, I ask you as a native English speaker: CAN "third party" mean what I tried to explain - Yes-or-NO, and in case of NO, can you please possibly give me the correct term? I meant also, that eg. some person photographed by me is what I called "third party" to be considered for the decision to upload or not. One more thing on this: How about my proposal of a "working paper" for translations, as given on COM:HD a few days ago? (Nr. 13). No reaction for three days. What is wrong with my question?
(c)Unfortunately, my yesterday's hype on PNG-writing by non.commandline-editors was erroneous, too: I get smaller PNGs than before, but more often than not create same bug (see User:Huitzlipochtli III./TestSite 2, if you like). So, restart again begging my son to instruct me. Bye, for the moment, WolfgangW. 10:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)



re: A.Perfect.Beginner's Lots of Questions[edit]

Being that I'm not too clear what you're doing here, I'll just reply at the bottom. You can refactor it if you want (group it by topic). I think it's great that you're asking lots of questions. It reminds us admins what needs to be done to make Commons clearer and easier to use.

Probably I would make this all a subpage. It's up to you though. :)

For "third party (rights)". To me, no, that phrase is not clear. It sounds like legalese, lawyer-speak, and my legal knowledge is limited at best. People have enough trouble understanding the difference between "copyright" and "license", let alone phrases like this. I don't know of a concise phrase that is widely understood. Perhaps the easiest way would be to split it into two questions: 1. If there are recognisible people in the picture, have they given their consent for the image's license? (But then, this only applies for self-created work, surely.) 2. Is the main subject of the image a logo or design that is copyrighted to someone else?

Also, regarding your question on COM:HD, there is nothing wrong with it! The lack of response just means that there is no definitive answer - no one is sure. I don't know the technicalities of how SVGs work. It would be nice if there was some way to magically insert the desired text into a pre-existing image. I would say go ahead with your idea, if there's a better way, it can be changed later. The only suggestion I would make is for the format of the language files - the convention is to do File name/lang code. So you could have Decision-tree-text/en, Decision-tree-text/de, etc etc. And yeah, put them in the same category as the images. I would really make a user category for yourself, but it's up to you.

Keep asking questions! :) pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I load it up - let's talk about it later. —WolfgangW. 10:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

hihi, I tried to: RTF is not an allowed format on Commons. Where-to upload? please answer here ASAP: I wanted to upload a RichTextFormat file (No.SVG!) *.RTF format is more universal than MS Word's *.DOC and has by far less possibility of containing viruses. For developing, such file (a table!) would be by far better (I'll show you!). If first traductions are done, the experts can (or may show me how to) use the content to create SVGs, by splitting it up into the separate language files /en, /de, /zh...; —WolfgangW. 11:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, RTF is not one of the accepted file types (Commons:File types). My suggestion would be to have the text on wiki pages for the moment. The ultimate solution is to have an SVG - I'm sorry, but it's true! Then it can automatically insert the text. Presumably in future software upgrades it could even insert your language's text for you. But for the moment - are wiki pages OK? pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no. Handling tables by wiki-pages is a sheer horror trip! Are you familiar with other wiki..., where one could upload such? wikibooks - off topic, but they should allow at least the format (hm, just found out that duesi is concerned with that my Q on DE-"VP", maybe I get some manageable instruction (up to now, I just had to oppse him, for NOT going to do such job in wiki-text).
I am not sure that any Wikimedia project will accept RTFs. Wikisource doesn't seem to, I just had a look. So, I can't answer this question, sorry. pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Where to find which formats are allowed in which wikiProjects[edit]

I want to offer to the world some format *.XYZ - can I? (where) do I find a list of all formats allowed in any wiki, and where exacttly they might be allowed-or-not, and, in case some special format can not be uploaded, where do I get help for transforming to an accepted format? Any idea but HD (some existing list, I mean)?

See above (that is, I don't know). Your best bet would be meta: but I somewhat doubt they have such information all gathered together. Sorry. Maybe google can help - search "wiki upload RTF" (or whatever format). pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


Did you, BTW, have a look at Image:Example.jpg recently?[edit]

Bye, Wolfgang WolfgangW. 15:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

  • super grin* Hehehe, I love it too!!! Nice work. But - Don't be boaring (sic - boring?) It's not boring, it's classic :P
Also, a more important point is, "avoid putting text in the image wherever possible, in order to maximise its reuse potential".
BTW, you don't have to do things like create Image:Example old.jpg. It's still available: look at Image:Example.jpg's "file history" - it lists two versions. The earlier version (click on the date link to view it) is still there. Not sure if you're aware of this or not. Note that anyone can "revert" the image back to any earlier version. So this is why you don't need to worry that you are destroying someone's original work forever, because you're not - it's always still there. (The worry is that you might destroy their goodwill towards Commons, because people feel a lot of ownership about their images even if they only uploaded them.) --pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Re BTW: I'm a private collector, therefore, I supposed it might be good to have some reference which might be easy to compare. I also thaught that, after some time, the overwritten items would be erased, to save those 9k webspace (I.DO.KNOW.MY.BELOVED.TEUTONS) -- ;))) (Bdk had advised me in an earlier wp-life to save webspace by NOT leaving hidden text in articles).
I'm one of those old men who like to compare ;)))
Therefore, I feel classsic and had liked to advice disciples "not to be bo...? so, in case you'd like to correct, please feel invited by-a-by-far-more-than-just "welcome". (broad GRIN)!
I've to admit that I had some little(?) clinch with admin "Bdk" (not only with him, admittedly) for him recently telling some Newbie that he might upload "up to as-much-as-50 (FIFTY) _MB_ without problems", which seems imnsvho, let's call it: PERVERT. So, it's not-at-all un-intentionally I chose HIM ;]]]]
Hang loose! WolfgangW. 16:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
PS: Links, to prove my statements, on request.

Bdk's Objection, my reply[edit]

In fact, Brion changed upload_max_filesize in php.ini for Commons (sometimes in August last year) to 50 MB, so my objective information was/is nothing else than true and not pervert at all. --:Bdk: 21:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
  1. On de:Wikipedia Diskussion:Bildertutorial#Bildgrößen I explained, in German, that an even technically correct answer, as you might have given, would not be adequate to be given to some obvious Newbie asking whether he could upload _300k._ It is misleading, which is proven by a same talk's other chapter,
  2. where there was quite some rumor about someone who uploaded a text in Form of 14MB JPG (for one single page to be printed). THAT is, what hints like yours turn out to produce!
  3. Besides, to such newbie it would be of by far more importance to get an idea at least, at what filesize a standard user might get timeout problems which are independant of wiki. This, in most cases, will be far beyond 50, and quite often beyond 20MB.Annie IP 07:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  4. Besides, I tried to explain that it would be preferable to put such questions into FAQs instead of sending single users to lookup backyard discussions. 213.47.146.118 09:57, 17. Feb 2006 (CET). Annie IP 00:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC) You were too proud to take notice of that, just an IP's hint, it seems. I.am.sure there are more people, not only me, out there who are not willing to be treated such arrogant way for just.being.new to some place, although on de:WP such behaviour is the use more often than not, I feel. Annie IP 07:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Former talk, on Teutonics[edit]

(In German: "Der Menschheit Würde ist in Eure Hand gegeben...")

Explanation given later: Traducion might be appr. "humanity's dignity lies in your hands".

This is a comedian ("Cabaret") act about two less-than-third-rate actors who, at the end of their carreers, have their private philisophical dispute about how awful things are, and what might have been if... if they only would had ever been employed on an almost second-rate theater!! - Thereby ranting about first rate ones. The sketch is somewhat known, among Austrians of my age, at least; to most Teutons, therefore, it might be rather cryptic. I suppose that a few of my enemies might pass by here, from time to time, and might learn by reading. ;) WolfgangW. 16:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Improved, not approved yet, by Annie IP 07:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC) More to come soon.

Mind changed: -->NO. After one more single c.l.o.s.e.r look, unfortunately, there is not very much more to say about. l, g, w.WolfgangW. 17:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC); Today I'd say I'm alive and kickin' again.

Might like to compare Image:Example.jpg to Image:Exemplum JPEGis.jpg, soon ;) _w., T.P.B 10:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Descriptions in Chinese and other Languages would be welcome, BTW. Please correct to better English without correcting intentional typo "illegible." :) _w., T.P.B

I can remove your questions from my talk page if you really want, but I'd prefer not to. It will get archived soon enough. Generally, I write comments on people's talk pages and expect them to reply on mine, and then I reply on theirs again, but I know everyone has their own style.
BTW, you know I don't know any German, right? Like, I don't even know what you mean by the word "Teutonics". (and for that matter, "contrahentes") I'm not sure if you think I (should) know. Just making that clear. :) pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
No problem for me, if you leave the questions; I thought it might be less redundant to you, and to me somewhat easier to cope with, if we just discussed on ONE of the two places. As I established a sub-page for collecting my How-to-Q&A (on which I did not work recently, for not beeing sure whether I wanted to stay very much longer, yesterday) it's no longer a question of overlooking this (my) Talk page for me (this was the reason, why I originally had tried to avoid ANY traffic here).
Re "Not any German", I was not aware (as far as p.e.o.p.l.e are concerned; whether you know German language or not, does less matter). Well, there are subtle and more often less suble animosities (hope this word exists?) between Northern and Southern Germany (Bavaria), and betwenn Germany and Austria even more (besides, generally speaking, Berlin, they seem to like the more easy-going, but also sometimes ranting, type of "Austrian", especially Viennese, which I am. Therefore, on might easily get into troubles on GERMAN WP for not being on same wavelength. It's on this that the flame with admin Slomox started one year ago because he deleted a delicate page on which I worked, hoping to eliminate or at least reduce awful bullshit, present over 4 (four) de:WP pages and therefore found by google ca. 600times (i.e., in WP and its clones, nowhere else!!!).
Dull admin Slow Mocks did so by putting in my page, whilst being marked "InUse" and while I was working in it, a "quick deletion request" which he executed himself, I think. While I went to my page's talk page to explain what I was working on and to prevent such delition, BRAVE_s. deleted the main page, and immediately after the by-now orphaned talk page, too. To me, this was the point to leave such fucking place.
I unfortunately, after 6 months, turned back for a few days and had the next story which I told on VP, with another admin reverting my edit to re-establish bullshit and some commercial external link in an article to which I had contributed most in my "former life" (on John Harrison). In this case, I told my opinion loud and clearly on the talk page and then turned away (after informing some WP-friend about my sorrow, who however was not able or willing to help).
When returning for the third time, (4?) weeks ago, I decided to fight against any attacks as smartly as possible, but in "full contact", and this time rather to stay for as long as I would not be kicked off, or for as long as I r.e.a.l.l.y liked to stay, without even trying to be polite to any people who are unpolite to me. That's what Huitzlipochtli is about. In case you do not know about that Aztec God of War, I tell you next time you call ;)
Was that sufficiently clear, without boring you too much? Little link on last night's reverted VP-flame with de:admin slomox? it is, in English: You.shoudn't.open.it unless you're curious, AND have friends around, to feel well and forget about all that shit, soon after ;]]]
Bye, Wolfgang _T.P.B 15:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
In case you don't speek French: „boche“ is the typical narrow-minded German (still remembered there from WW2); the.narrow-minded-type.of.G.s, I mean - there are others, for God's sake. ;)) fr text only says that we.are.not.at.all.such; my italian is rather poor, therefore I just wrote "if you like it..." (approximately). How about Chinese, btw.? Might they like such picture (not understanding my part of it, but would they like the cartoon, the idea about "Don't do text in JPG" (I recently talked to a German Student of philosophy, it seems[he has a 1st rate article on such themes], who uploaded text by a ca. 14MB.JPG from the scan of ONE Standard DIN-A4 page, and took days to be informed that such was pretty much nonsense?) it's also about that that I chos Bdk's example: He puts online a Picture consisting in TEXT.AS.JPG as an EXAMPLE! At least, he, without hurting my copyright on my piece-of-art, might change the text to "PLEASE.DO.NOT.TAKE.THIS.AS.AN.EXAMPLE!" I'd care a shit about who created such (unless it's you, can't tell why), BUT.THAT.ADMIN.ADDS.TO.misguide people who believe him!
The Piece-of-Art's Name, btw., should be something like "Sunrise in Silly Con Valley, seen from Admin's Point" (AP intended to interpreted as some special tourist place).

Bdk's Objection, my reply[edit]

This again, is an absolutely pointless statement of Huitzlipochtli III./W./IP. ... see above or ask me. I did not misguide anyone, just gave a factual and technically correct answer. He's the one, who obviously has nearly no understanding of MediaWiki. --:Bdk: 21:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Is answered above. Annie IP 00:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC) May I remember u thet i am a perfect beginer? Annie IP 07:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Former talk, continued[edit]

Are you in China by now? For how long time? Bye, now, for today, seriously, _T.P.B 15:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Well...whatever troubles you have elsewhere, all I can advise is to forget them as much as possible and just concentrate on the work at hand. It would be nice if de: drama wasn't imported here. I do realise, it takes 50px|two to 50px|tango, though. ;)

For Image:Example.jpg. I really wouldn't worry about it too much. Really, no one should use it. It's more, put something there to stop other people putting something there (they should be giving their images more meaningful names).

I'm not in China!!! I'm in Australia. I live in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. I DID live in Beijing for 6 months, but that's it. --pfctdayelise (translate?) 00:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

On Perfect Days, like thisone...[edit]

Well, I rather came here to forget about boches, to stay at a non-narrowminded place. Of the two guys who really made me run away from de:WP thereby ending my first life, one year ago, one here flames me, and the other one - well: he's a commons' admin (who did not yet show up, until now) - that's what I meant when I said I felt like troubles coming up...
User:Bdk is not a problem to me, I just tried to explain him something, as loud and clearly as I ever could, and failed. Image:Example.jpg, by now, shows a list of 292 articles where it's supposed to be used. How many other similarily often-used pictures does Commons have?
Huitzlipochtli, btw, is meanwhile somewhat „worn out“. I read that an account can be renamed by admins. How about I.R._Annie_I.P. ? (meant as allusion to I.R. Baboon comic movies, to Annie get your gun musical and to my second life in de:WP, as „IP.“) In case you'd not dislike, and can rename me easily, please do so. Annie time ;) Love, &hang loose! Wolfgang _T.P.B 03:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
NB: boche is about as polite as Australian POM for their UK comrades ;)

Bdk's Objection, my reply[edit]

Huitzlipochtli III./W./IP. didn't communicate with me for weeks, before I asked him, what he meant by all his recent personal flames. He did not try to explain anything to me like he mentioned above, he just states, that he did, but he didn't. So this is just another pointless flame. And I only got to know this discussion because another Commons admin informed me about it *sigh* --:Bdk: 21:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

You meanwhile know well that this is a lie: I did not run after you after any more, having no reaction to my contributions on de:Wikipedia Diskussion:Bildertutorial#Bildgrößen from:

  1. IP 10:03, 18. Feb 2006 (CET)
  2. Mit Gruß, Wolfgang 17:17, 21. Feb 2006 (CET)
  3. Mit Gruß, Wolfgang 17:28, 21. Feb 2006 (CET) At this time, my friend, your de:Talk page was locked, on which I informed you hereby. Annie IP 07:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  4. Mit Gruß, Wolfgang 08:09, 23. Feb 2006 (CET)

And now, please, finally s.t.o.p_w.a.s.t.i.n.g_m.y_t.i.m.e. and polluting my private space. Annie IP 00:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Unless, if you still feel the urge, you'd prefer to continue flameing. Annie IP 07:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Former talk, continued[edit]

Commons:Changing username. Only bureaucrats can do it, so usually it's villy here.
Image:Example.jpg, by now, shows a list of 292 articles where it's supposed to be used. How many other similarily often-used pictures does Commons have? That's, uh... extremely odd. I don't know what's going on there, since that image isn't used in any of those pages; at least not the half dozen I checked. I wrote a Q on the image talk page, perhaps dbenbenn knows.
Well, about the boches, it is unfortunate...but there are lots of very uncontroversial things to do as well. It depends how you like to spend your time. I prefer to do very uncontroversial things, because I just feel that most drama is a waste of energy. I hope you can find a way to contribute happily and in peace. pfctdayelise (translate?) 04:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
PS. Are you picking licenses at random now?! (Image:Foo 2.png) :P --pfctdayelise (translate?) 04:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
  1. TX. I'll pass by him on this.
  2. I, too, checked a few of them (counting them, later, by MS Word), therefore my ...supposed...
  3. Energy is never wasted, I believe, and for.sure.not, if spent intentionally. As fight seems to be a very important part of my life (took me several dozens of years to accept that), I rather prefer to cultivate fight than to avoid it.
    TX for your hopeful wish, although it might not be fulfilled in this my life, I'm afraid. 40 years ago, when (I think) this peace symbol was created, I tried to think and live that peaceful way: It just did not work. I've meanwhile uploaded a PDF, which is an allowed format on Commons, of a favourite poem of mine, written by „energy master“ Michael Barnett, as a gift to you on this theme. Here it is, for you and for the rest of the World: File:Annie IP's Gift for Friends - Over the Waterfall. A Poem.pdf In case you know a better way to display a PDF, please tell me (I mean, if I want the picture to be seen on screen immediately, without extra-click, HOW TO do?)
  4. No, because:
    (a) not at random. I choose them very carefully.
    (b) not now. The picture in terms of www is an antiquity , having been uploaded on March 3. ;)) I won't care the licence being changed to Annie's Thing, it rather was a cudo, mainly for you, to see how long it would take you or someone else to react, if at all.
  5. As today's picture of the day to considerable extent reflects my situation here, I adopted&adapted it: Annie IP's Statement on Homelessness in www.
  6. Please tell me about my new name to be chosen: I'm going to sign by Annie IP in Annie's case, but feel the Pigdin of I.R. (Baboon) worth while to be adopted - can you imagine native English speakers might feel what's it about? The question is, UserName=Annie IP or UserName=I.R. Annie IP ?? It is a serious question I ask you, which I want to have answered before contacting villy on this. Bye for a while, Annie IP 06:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

On Annie IP.[edit]

LOL. You are surpassing yourself...

  • In case you know a better way to display a PDF, please tell me (I mean, if I want the picture to be seen on screen immediately, without extra-click, HOW TO do?) In that case, you want an image... :P PDFs can't display directly because they need extra software than a browser.
  • As for your name, I must honestly say I have no idea what it is referencing. Well I mean I have never heard of I.R. Baboon. Just be aware that calling yourself "Annie" gives a very strong impression that you are a woman. Whether that concerns you or not is another matter. pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm; I'm quite used in surpassing my self. What else should life be for?
I'ts a pity that the (US) comic seems not to be known in Australia. It's about some somewhat dull, quite proud of himself, baboon, and "I.are.baboon" is kind of pidgin. And, concerning "Annie", there ist the allusion (to me, at least) to fighting Annie (remember Huitzlipochtli??), and any-IP, which I really am ;))) "On the internet, nobody knows your'e a dog." Love, <3, Annie IP 10:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
You, btw. (maybe unintentionally). have perfectly answered my question already: It must be "I.R. Annie IP.", because Annie IP by itself would not be a quite obvious joke/fake. I could at least, on this, give a hint by linking to some I.R. Baboon-Cartoon.
Re PDFs: I thaught, that (as soon as the Acrobat-reader would be installed as a browser's plugin) PDFs might open automatically: if I click a PDF found by google, it would start my reader by itself, within firefox, therefore, I expected it should/could be similar with wikimedia, in case I just used the right tag. Annie IP 10:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


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User:dbenbenn 22:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Also Image:Annie IP's Gift for Friends - Over the Waterfall. A Poem.pdf. User:dbenbenn 23:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)