User:Ooperhoofd

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G8 images[edit]

   * Image:G8 Afternoon Working Session 2008.jpg
   * Image:G8 Working Lunch 2008.jpg
   * Image:G8+8 Outreach Working Lunch 2008.jpg
   * Image:G8+7 Outreach Working Session 2008.jpg
   * Image:G8 Tanabata 2008.jpg
   * Image:Fukuda 68 2008.jpg

Delete © MOFA. All Japanese Government contents has not a public domain or order licenses. --Christopher Longo (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

   RESPONSE
   These official photos were made available for downloading by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA), and the link on each page quite plainly demonstrates. MOFA requested advance registration. The registration form clearly indicated that the downloaded photos were for Wikipedia use, and MOFA approved it.
   It is not inconsequential that these photos have been posted as part of the article which is featured on the main page of the English Wikipedia today -- "In the news" (January 8, 2008). A not-inconsiderable amount of work went into pre-planning, downloading, and then creating a context in which these images are presented.
   Christopher Longo's one-line complaint, such as it is, articulates no specific objections to which a competent response can be directed. Whatever it is which vexes him may seem obvious to him or to someone else; but frankly, I don't understand. Perhaps if the problem were explained more fully in different words, I would be able to reply or explain or engage in argument in some way ....
   I'm also wondering this: Why doesn't the casual complaint-maker bear any burden of proof or persuasion in this venue?
   In contrast, the information provided along with the upload would seem at least minimally straightforward and complete. Without more, this appears to be an unhelpful exercise in that the too-terse complaint provides no foundation for the kind of dialogue which would help anyone understand how to avert similar misunderstandings in the future.
   As you may know, the en:34th G8 summit will produce one further day of official photos. With this "dispute" (or whatever-it-is) unresolved, I'm reluctant to invest the further time involved in uploading additional images which will enhance the usefulness of article about this event.
   When this task is completed, my plan had been to upload relevant MOFA images to accompany articles about the four Tokyo International Conference on African Development and the en:Hideyo Noguchi Africa Prize which was first conferred in June 2008.
           * en:Tokyo International Conference on African Development#TICAD-I
                 o en:TICAD Delegations#TICAD-I
           * en:Tokyo International Conference on African Development#TICAD-II
                 o en:TICAD Delegations#TICAD-II
           * en:Tokyo International Conference on African Development#TICAD-III
                 o en:TICAD Delegations#TICAD-III
           * en:Tokyo International Conference on African Development#TICAD-IV
                 o en:TICAD Delegations#TICAD-IV
           * en:Hideyo Noguchi Africa Prize
                 o en:Brian Greenwood, UK -- 2008 Noguchi laureate
                 o en:Miriam Were, Kenya -- 2008 Noguchi laureate
   Most of the additional images would have come from MOFA; but I suppose in due course, I would have sought additional images from the en:London School of Tropical Medicine and from the en:University of Nairobi or the Kenyan government. I would want to avoid the necessity for defending these additional digitized images from similarly difficult-to-parse and difficult-to-evaluate deletion threats. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 00:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete Images are copyrighted, watermarked and most are very low res. Bidgee (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

   *  Comment Is there an ORTS ticket with the details of the permission ? - can you link to a page granting permission. FYI - "wikipedia only" permission is not enough. Without evidence of permission being granted then these will have to be deleted. Megapixie (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
   The copyright note "Copyright© : Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan" is even on each single photo's page (when you click on a photo).
   @Ooperhoofd, therefore I'm wondering why you wrote "The copyright holder of this file -- the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs -- allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted." Did you get a indivual permission from the J-MOFA? That might not be impossible, but we need the evidence (aka OTRS ticket).--Túrelio (talk) 06:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC) 

Village Pump/34th G8 summit[edit]

For me, the most difficult thing about Wikipedia images is defending them against attack by those who either won't or can't explain in words I can understand. For the purposes of this inquiry, let's assume that I'm uncommonly slow-to-understand or that I fail somehow to grasp the obvious when it should be as clear as the nose on my face.

In that circumstance, there must be a way to insist that someone making a complaint make themselves understood to me so that I can either remedy my inadvertent error or, at least, I can figure out how to avert similar problems in the future. I need a template perhaps -- something which allows me to insist that my good faith effort in locating an image, in uploading it, and in trying my best to provide appropriate support is met by some burden of explanation and persuasion.

I registered in advance for permission to download images created by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA). My application was approved. I did upload six images to Wikicommons, and I promptly posted them at en:34th G8 summit. If I need to do something different than what I have done, or if I need to document that effort differently, fine -- but the question becomes one of finding out ... and, based my tentative experiences thus far, that may well turn out to be a Sisyphean task.

See July 8th -- Commons:Deletion requests/G8 images

Perhaps the thing to do is to post an open-ended question here? I'm having trouble simply putting my sense of confusion and dismay in the form of a question? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 03:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem is the images are copyrighted on the site in which the photo are from. I've found nothing to say that the images are Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 1.0. Bidgee (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
The copyright note "Copyright© : Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan" is even on each single photo's page (when you click on a photo).
@Ooperhoofd, therefore I'm wondering why you wrote "The copyright holder of this file -- the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs -- allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted." Did you get a individual permission from the J-MOFA? (That might not be impossible, but we need the evidence.) -- Túrelio (talk) 05:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Permission confirmed by MOFA[edit]

from g8summit-press@mofa.go.jp to [Ooperhoofd's e-address deleted] date Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:33 AM subject Re: 34th G8 Summit -- official photos, permission for use in Wikipedia context mailed-by mofa.go.jp

Reply


Mr. ... [Ooperhoofd],

Thank you very much for your e-mail. There is no problem you use summit photos in Wikipedia as you do now, which "author" and "permission" are put down on each photo. We do not set an online set of statements concerning the prospective use of summit photos.

Regards, Secretariat for the G8 Summit Ministry of Foreign Affairs


重要度 : 普通 発信元 : - <Ooperhoofd's e-address deleted> 日付 : 2008/07/10 06:13:23 宛先 : g8summit-press

件名 : 34th G8 Summit -- official photos, permission for use in Wikipedia context