User talk:ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA

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Images from Flickr[edit]

It is important to know who created the images. It seems like not you created the images yourself but someone else, maybe the mothers of this children. You uploaded the images to your flickr and claimed them freely licensed under cc-by-sa-2.0. Only the copyright holder (the photographer) can provide this licensing. The licensing allows everyone to reuse the images everywhere, every time and for every purpose including commercial or money making purposes. Is it the copyright holders (photographers) wish to allow for free reuse including commercial reuse? Im awaiting your answer. Thanks, --Martin H. (talk) 09:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, My name is Rita and I'll try to explain why ALBA Lactancia Materna does have the right to use these images. ALBA Lactancia Materna is a non-profit organization that promotes breastfeeding (it`s similar in many ways to La Leche League). The images user Laialba is trying to upload have all been created by mothers who attended the support groups of ALBA Lactancia Materna, so there are no "photographers" as such. They all have agreed to licence these images for the promotion of breastfeeding, so there is really no problem of copyright.

I believe there`s been a misunderstanding, probably due to a mistake in the way Laialba initially uploaded the images (not as ALBA Lactancia Materna but as a private user). But the fact remains that Laiaalba is authorized to use some of those images and upload them, since she is the original copyright holder.

So, we have several people that have licenced the use of their personal breastfeeding images and a non-profit organization that is intitled to use them but, due to a technicality, it looks like it's not. How can we solve it? Some of the people that licenced the use of their images are no longer in touch with ALBA LActancia Materna (kids grow, stop breastfeeding...), so it would be really difficult to get written permission from all of them.

Thank you. Rita.

"For the promotion of brestfeeding" is not free. Images on Commons must be free to use by everyone, everywhere, every time, for ever and for every purpose. That includes commercial or money making purposes, that includes the promotion against breast feeding, that includes every other possible or not yet possible or imaginable use of the image (inside the legal restrictions of e.g. personality rights). You need written permission from the copyright holders, otherwise the images cant meet the requirments. I dont think one of the woman want to see her self, random example, in a commercial promoting in vitro fertilisation using photographs of mothers and her babys. --Martin H. (talk) 18:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I understand your reluctance, but we do have the right to use those images as we wish, I'll try to explain. In fact, ALBA Lactancia Materna has hundreds of images of breastfeeding mothers that publishes on the Internet under "CC licence attribution noncommercial no derivative works", you can see it for yourself in www.albalactanciamaterna.org. When Laialba asked us, ALBA Lactancia Materna, if we could licence some of our images to Wikipedia with the purpose of illustrating information about breastfeeding, after weighing up the pros and cons of it, we decided to agree on displaying certain images and thus changed the licence to "CC attribution share alike". All the chosen images were previously licenced to ALBA by the authors and copyright holders to be used as we wished. We understand, then, that those images were correctly uploaded to the wikimedia commons through the Flickr of the organization.

Do you still believe we need written permission from the copyrigh holders?

Thank you, Rita ALBA Lactancia Materna www.albalactanciamaterna.org

Yes, and thats the problem. They publish under Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial No derivative. Commercial reuse is forbidden, it is not allowed to modify the image. You have no rights to license the image under a different license allowing for commercial reuse and derivative works.
The required licensing terms on Commons are clear: Free to use by everyone for every purpose including modificationa and commercial reuse. Summary: You are not the copyright holder, the images are licensed not free by the copyright holder, without the copyright holders written permissions you can not distribute the images under a Creative Commons Attribution Sharealike license allowing for forms of reuse (commercial reuse, modification) the copyright holders never agreed too. Now clear? --Martin H. (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Very clear, thanks. One more question: what kind of written permission do we need? How will you know the person that signs the permission is really the holder of the copyright? Rita


Sorry to insist: can you please tell me if there is a form of some kind to send the written permissions, or where can I find that information? Thank you. Rita

The information about this you can find below. I honestly ask you: How is it possible that you forwarded a permission for all your images if you told yourself, that contacting the various authors would be difficult... I see some disrespect of copyrights and of the rights of the depicted persons to decide themself where their work (and their appearance) is wanted or not. Please respect the copyrights of your contributors. --Martin H. (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

The information about this is not below. There's only an e-mail address, that's not the form I was asking for, but never mind. Of course I said it would be difficult to contact SOME of the authors, but not all of them, fortunately, including myself and other people whose images we can and will use. Now I honestly ask you: how can you be so suspicious and assume that we're disrespecting the rights of others??? We're only trying to comply with your instructions, but I must say we're not finding too much understanding for your part. It's hard enough having to explain myself in a foreing language, but having to fight prejudices is certainly something I didn't expect to find here. Rita.

With your upload and licensing on Flickr you already disrespected others right and you already tried to upload it to Commons with the wrong information (writing your name as the author, giving your flickr account as the source)! Of course I want to help you, but I dont want my help abused again as you already did: Warning given to you, your reaction: creating a new account and evading the warning with blatant flickr washing. The information is below, follow the blue links of course. --Martin H. (talk) 09:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

What you call disrespect is pure and simple ignorance for our part. We've made mistakes, no doubt (probably led by a very Spanish habit of bypassing problems instead of solving them), but that doesn't mean we're trying to rob anyone. I would be nice of you to at least give us the benefit of doubt and believe we're trying to do things right. We're working on the written permissions. Thank you. Rita.

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Martin H. (talk) 09:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The image was first uploaded as File:LACTANCIA EN TANDEM 1.jpg with the information: Source: NODRISSA, Author: CONCURSO FOTOGRAFICO DENIA

So:

  • Whats the source now, the correct source! We accept flickr as a source but not to evade problems or to hide the correct source. Who is the author!
  • Did the copyright holder allow for commercial or money making reuse?

--Martin H. (talk) 09:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

A ver, espero que me entiendas porque yo el ingles apenas. La foto de LACTANCIA EN TANDEM 1 fue presentada a un concurso organizado por NODRISSA (una asociacion) con los derechos cedidos por el hecho de concursar. NODRISSA cedió bajo licencia CC parte de su fondo fotográfico (entre ellas la foto de LACTANCIA EN TANDEM) a ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA (otra asociacion) y ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA ha decidido subirlas a FLICKR y a WIKI. Todo es correcto, las imagenes se pueden subir bajo licencia CC. Primero lo intenté a titulo personal (laiaalba) pero no me lo aceptaba y luego lo subi como asociacion ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA y me lo aceptó. Que problema hay ahora¿?? Perdonad mi ciber-torpeza, pero no entiendo que hago mal. gracias por vuestra ayuda y paciencia.--ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA (talk) 23:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Again: The image is not created by alba lactancia materna, but File:Lactancia en tandem 1.jpg saing:
  • Author ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA
  • Source originally posted to Flickr
Is Alba lactanca the author? Is Flickr the source? No, both information is wrong. Correct the source and forward your written permission from the correct copyright holder to OTRS as requested above. At the moment you try flickr washing and the reusult is wrong author, wrong source, wrong license, no evidence of permission. --Martin H. (talk) 23:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

File source is not properly indicated: File:Lactancia_6_meses.jpg[edit]

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Martin H. (talk) 09:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The image was first uploaded as File:Oriol2000.jpg with the author and source "santi". So who is the correct (!!) author and source. You can not write a source and author as you like it, now suddenly the source is your flickr and the author is some organziation? No. --Martin H. (talk) 09:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Esta foto es mía personal, Santi es mi marido y el que sale en la foto mi hijo. Yo cedi esa foto a ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA una asociación a la que pertenezco para que la usara para difundir la lactancia bajo licencia CC. O sea que tanto a titulo personal (laiaalba) como en nombre de la asociación ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA esa foto es libre, puedo subirla a WIKI sin problemas, de hecho puedo hacer con ella lo que quiera. No se que he de poner ni donde para que me creais. Gracias. --ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no need to flickr wash your own photographs. However, you not uplaoded the image as own work the first time, so I cant belive that the now given source information is correct. --Martin H. (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

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Martin H. (talk) 09:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

That image was first uploaded as File:Niñasjugando.jpg with the information author and source "montse". So your now author claim is wrong. Who is the author, correct source?? --Martin H. (talk) 09:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


Hola, esa foto fue cedida libremente por su autor original (montse) a la asociación ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA para la difusión de la lactancia bajo licencia CC. Todo es correcto, esta foto esta en el Flickr de ALBA con la licencia correcta. Que problema hay¿???--ALBA LACTANCIA MATERNA (talk) 23:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Then the source is wrong, the author is not correct. The image is neither from flickr nor created by Alba lactancia materna. Correct the source, correct the author and provide a written permission from the copyright holder. --Martin H. (talk) 23:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Lactancia 9 meses.jpg[edit]

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Martin H. (talk) 10:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Per File:Oiol2002-2.jpg. Here:

  • Wrong author
  • Wrong source
  • Wrong license.

The image was originally uploaded with the claim, that it is licensed under Creative Commons Reconocimiento-No comercial-Sin obras derivadas 2.5 España. This license is NOT FREE FOR COMMERCIAL REUSE and not accepted here. --Martin H. (talk) 10:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


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