User talk:ARTEST4ECHO

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File:Leonard J. Arrington.jpg[edit]

Despite what the source material says, Arrington's daughter has been in touch via OTRS to say this is not her father but en:D. Arthur Haycock. Any objection to the file being renamed? Nthep (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I do object. The cited source clearly says it is Leonard J. Arrington. There are no other images or even names on that page to confuse it with. See page 99. There is also no way for us to prove she is Leonard J. Arrington daughter.
Even if she is 100% correct and telling the truth, it goes against Wikipedia policy to just take her word for it. Verifiability, No original research, Conflict of interest, clearly state that she cannot change a cited item unless she has a cited source, especially since she has a personal interest. I know it would seem logical to take her word for it, however, Wikipedia is Verifiability, not truth. She need to be able give a verifiable source to change it (and she cannot be that source.)
However, I don't want an incorrect image any more than someone else. So may I suggest a compromise. Ask her if she can supply a Verifiability image of her father. Since this image isn't the best anyway, I'm all for not using it, if she is willing to upload a replacement. In the interest in helping her out, I will also do some research and see if I can find a source for Arthur Haycock backing her claim, so that we can verify that the Book is wrong. Until then this image should still remain File:Leonard J. Arrington.jpg, but it wont be used unless someone can show her upload isn't Leonard J. Arrington.
You are welcome to share my e-mail address with her, so I can help her out. I don't want to post it here, but if you send me a "Email this user" I will send you my address, so you can forward it to her.--ARTEST4ECHO talk 18:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. She's already sent us another image of her father which I've uploaded at File:Leonard Arrington 1950s.jpeg. Nthep (talk) 18:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Add. Before you replied I added a move request to the file, not expecting it to be dealt with for some time. But I was wrong and a file mover has already renamed it. Apologies for that and I will request a reversion if we don't sort this out otherwise. A google search for Arthur Haycock brings up quite a lot especially you tube videos like this - go to 15 seconds for a very good shot of him - I think this is the man the yearbook identifies as Arrington. Nthep (talk) 18:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I can't do anything today, but I will put this on my list for when I get back home from my trip--ARTEST4ECHO talk
I'm sorry but you said "I think this is the man the yearbook identifies as Arrington" so it is Leonard J. Arrington and not D. Arthur Haycock as claimed by the daughter?--ARTEST4ECHO talk 19:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm really really sorry if i done anything wrong but i didn't know that a discussion is going on. I've an exam tomorrow so i can't check the file right now but im happy to help if i manage some time. Thanks ~ Nahid Talk 19:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Nahid, it's nothing you did, it's my fault for lodging the move request too early. Nthep (talk) 19:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
(Edit conflict)I'm saying it's the same man as in the yearbook but as the video captioned him, it's Haycock - I'm trusting on the LDS to be able to identify their own people. Nthep (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Again, I'm confused. The youtube page says it Haycock. I cannot access youtub from where I am so I'm going to have to take your word for it. However, the LDS church published the yearbook and it clearly identifies the image as Arrington. So to say "I'm trusting on the LDS to be able to identify their own people" is incorrect. Ether one LDS publication is wrong or the other is.--ARTEST4ECHO talk 21:58, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
The youtube video captioned the man as Haycock (40 sec), however, i'm agree with ARTEST4ECHO (youtube video screenshot of haycock in LDS webpage) "Ether one LDS publication is wrong or the other is." ~ Nahid Talk 07:23, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Well it's a college yearbook not an LDS yearbook - I don't know if it's an LDS college - but as there are several videos captioning Haycock as well as Arrington's daughter saying the yearbook image not her father then I'm strongly inclined to say it's not Arrington and it is Haycock. I'm not going to question the bond fides of the daughter as I see no reason to. If you don't accept that it's Haycock but agree it's not Arrington then I suggest the image is deleted as unidentified subject. Nthep (talk) 13:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Ricks Collage is now BYU Idaho and has always been owned by the LDS Church.--ARTEST4ECHO talk 12:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

File:John Willard Young.jpg[edit]

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File:John Willard Young.jpg[edit]

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