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Image:Opel-Combo-D.png[edit]

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Allo002 (talk) 13:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


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Hello Allo002,

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File:Nissan_Pixo_front.jpg[edit]

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File source is not properly indicated: File:LiorNarkis.jpg[edit]

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File source is not properly indicated: File:Ford_Ka_II_rear.jpg[edit]

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EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Question[edit]

I saw you created Category:Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10. I love my camera and have uploaded hundreds of photos taken with this model. Is it useful to put all new photos in this category? What about the several hundreds I have already uploaded? Is this something a bot can be made to do?

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Geo Swan (talk) 19:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

If I were a wise guy i would thank you for the effort you put into your reply to my note of 2014-07-05.
We don't own the contributions we make to WMF projects. That you started the category does not grant you special authority to delete the category. It is counterpolicy to delete category names that aren't actually garbage names. Please see Commons:Rename a category. If you followed the advice of that guideline you would have placed a {{move}} tag on the earlier category. This would have left a trail of what was going on, and, whichever category the community decided was redundant, would have been left as a redirect to the preferred category name.
Unnecessary deletion causes chaos. Geo Swan (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Adminstrator User:Fastily deleted Category:Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10. I mentioned mistakes I thought you made in this note where I explained why I thought that deletion was a mistake. No offense, but I said I thought you were a newbie. I said I thought you had made some mistakes, in particular, acting like your creation of Category:Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10 left you with a special freedom to decide its future, without discussing it with anyone else. One of the mistakes I thought Fastily made was to not notice that you had removed notices that the category was under discussion. You aren't allowed to do that, and I think Fastily should have noticed this. I thought by not warning you they were setting you up to have some other administrator sanction you for similar behavior, later, when you have less ability to claim your mistakes were newbie mistakes.
I am sorry the WMF projects have generated such a complicated set of rules and traditions. If you want to enjoy contributing here, in the long run, I think you will be happier if you learn some of those rules and traditions. People will help you. Geo Swan (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
When we upload an image, or contribute content to a wikipedia article, or a comment to a discussion page, we release most of our intellectual property rights. A significant right we retain is the right to have our contributions credited to us. There is a Latin phrase, "de minimus", that says contributions below a certain level are too small to merit attribution. Different people have different ideas as to how small that is. Personally, I always attribute to the original author if I quote a passage that is an entire sentence. By this rule you deserve attribution for the original text "Photographs taken with a Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ20/DMC-ZS10 digital camera."
This is another reason why deleting Category:Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10 was a bad idea. If the community had agreed with you, that the TZ20 should have pride of place, redirecting ZS10 to TZ20, preserving the revision history, would have complied with the obligation to attribute you and I for our original contributions to the schema explanation. Geo Swan (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Opel Corsa B/Chevrolet Corsa[edit]

Hallo! Und ewig streiten sich die Editoren ... Das Auto auf den Bildern File:Lüdinghausen, Flugplatz Borkenberge -- 2014 -- 1118.jpg und File:Lüdinghausen, Flugplatz Borkenberge -- 2014 -- 7959.jpg mag ein Opel Corsa B - du hast Recht, er sieht so aus - sein, jedoch wurde meines Wissens nach in Deutschland dieses Auto nie als Kombi verkauft. Dieses Fahrzeug hat also einen anderen Ursprung. Ein Blick auf die Felgen offenbart, dass es ein Chevrolet sein muss. Ich ordne das Bild jetzt mal beiden Kategorien zu ... Hoffentlich habe ich dann den Kompromiss gefunden, der alle Seiten zufrieden stellt. Wie heißt es so schön: Wieder was gelernt. (Ich zumindest. ;-) ) Auf jeden Fall wünsche ich noch einen schönen Sonntag und auch vielen Dank für deine Mühen der Kategorisierung.--XRay talk 16:57, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The Opel Corsa B estate versions was not offered for sale in Germany and many European markets as well, but it was offered in Italy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allo002 (talk • contribs)
It's good to see that you understood my information in german. I forgot to use the english language. Sorry. I didn't know that this kind of car was offered in Italy. In Germany this car is still rare but there are often experimental cars and other unusual cars on air fields. Some companies give this kind of car (or cars from preproduction process) as gift to gliding clubs. (It's an information from a member of such a club.) So IMO that's why there is such a car in Germany. --XRay talk 17:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Could you please be more careful...[edit]

I advised an administrator who deleted Category:Taken with Samsung GT-S7560M of your activities moving images from categories named after the brand embedded in their exif data. I didn't mention you by name.

I have created categories such as Category:User:Geo Swan/Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10, and Category:Photos by Geo Swan using a Samsung GT-S7560M. Allo002 (talk) 22 November 2014

I told them "I am not aware of any policy, guideline, or convention that recommends such mergers."

Please stop. Please get agreement from others on the general principle of ignoring the name embedded in the exif data before you move another image from one category to another because you think two models of camera are identical.

I strongly disagree.

For the record, your nomination of Category:Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10 for deletion? Sucks. Decisions are supposed to be made by consensus. Consensus is only acheived through a discussion where all viewpoints participate. Since you must have known I disagreed with you I think you fell short of your obligations by not advising me of the discussion. It is not a consensus if you disclude those who would disagree with you. Geo Swan (talk) 03:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Geo Swan (talk) 03:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

  • My comment is at two indents, because, following our conventions, Allo002's reply should have been indented once, and should have appeared immediately following mine.
Yes, I saw that you created Category:User:Geo Swan/Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10, and Category:Photos by Geo Swan using a Samsung GT-S7560M. Over on the English wikipedia other contributors almost never edit the subpages under a contributor's main page. They only do so if there is a genuine emergency. So I was really surprised to see you create Category:User:Geo Swan/Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10. Similarly, Category:Photos by Geo Swan using a Samsung GT-S7560M was a surprise.
I've explained, several times, why I think your approach of merging images categories was a bad idea. And I have been very frustrated that you made zero attempt to explain your reasoning.
Let me repeat, I think the categorization should strictly follow the model name embedded in the images' exif data.
  1. The model name in the exif data is machine readable. So a robot can make sure images are consistently categorized.
  2. Robots can categorize the images by camera, and so can anyone who is not a camera expert.
  3. Even if two different models of camera come in identical cases, except for the different model numbers, and, even if a genuine camera expert confirmed the two models' have completely identical circuit boards, the embedded software that runs those cameras has to be different. If the software wasn't different the images wouldn't get different model names embedded in its exif data. You and I and genuine camera experts can't say what other ways the embedded software varies. The two different models could look identical on the outside, have identical circuit boards, and yet have different capabilities, due to using different software. IMO this is sufficient to regard each different model as a separate camera.
  4. Finally, no offense, but, even if a contributor was sure they were a camera expert, and that the rest of us should trust their judgment that two cameras were identical, it seems likely to me that lots of mistakes would be made.
I stated before, in my opinion, if a contributor believes two models of cameras were very similar, or, indeed completely identical, it would be more useful to merely put a note at the top of each category, advising readers that it was said other cameras were very similar, or indeed identical.
I don't understand why we would want to put the ZS-10 images I created in a separate category, while leaving the ZS-10 images others created in the ZS-20 category. Why wouldn't we want all the images with ZS-10 embedded in their exif data together? Geo Swan (talk) 23:52, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ20 and ZS10 are completely identical (external case, software, printed circuit boards, etc.). Allo002 (talk) 22 November 2014
    • Even if it were true that the models used the same hardware, why would you ignore my point that the two models clearly have different firmware, as proven by the firmware embedding a different model name into the exif data?
    • You and I really have no idea in what other ways the two model's firmware differs. You and I have no reliable way of determining how the two model's firmware differs.
    • Even if, for the sake of argument, the only difference in the firmware was that they embedded different model numbers in their images' exif data, several contributors went on record that they agreed with me that categorization should be based on the model name in the exif data because any approach based on trusting the interpretation of amateur or professional third party camera experts would be a maintenance nightmare. Geo Swan (talk) 13:54, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

A request[edit]

Could you please acquaint yourself with the conventions for how to add comments to an on-going discussion?

In this edit you:

  1. added your followup comment in the middle of my comment;
  2. did not preface your followup comment with one of the symbols that would indent it, even though the convention we use is that each level of indentation indicates a later comment.

If this was not your talk page, I would have indented your follow-up comment, and moved it to the end of the discussion. However, contributors have the leeway to run their own personal user talk page idiosyncratically.

Nevertheless, I think you would find it would really improve your ability to communicate with others if you learned and followed our conventions.

The problem with inserting a followup comment in the middle of someone else's comment is that this can be very unfair to the author of the original comment. The more followups that follow the more unfair it can be. First, it makes the author of the comment that gets fragmented look like they can't be bothered to sign their comments. Second, it can make the author of the comment that was fragmented look like they can't write complete thoughts. It can make them look like they ignored the counter-points offered by other correspondets, because the disassociation of their comment from its signature confuses who is responding to what.

I have encountered really fragmented discussions, where half a dozen, or a dozen, ore more followup comments have followed the fragmenting of a comment. I can't tell you how many times I tried to use our revision history mechanism to step through those discussion, to retrace the history of when comments were added, so I could add an {{unsigned}} template following the unsigned comments -- only to find that all the apparently incoherent fragmentary unsigned comments were once a single coherent comment, that had been properly signed, and had made a lot more sense before it was carved apart.

People will help you learn our conventions.

I've been very frustrated with you. You seem well-intentioned, and you seem to have a lot of positive energy. I've wondered whether English is not your first language, and you haven't been able to understand the feedback I have given you, and the comments I have informed you about where I have discussed my concerns over your activities. If German is your first language, could you please seek advice from more experienced contributors who can communicate with you in German? Geo Swan (talk) 22:50, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

calling for discussion[edit]

I requested restoration of Category:Taken with Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS10 at Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests.

As I have written many times before, I think all the "Taken with" categories should rely solely on the camera brand name the camera's software embedded in the exif data. You wrote that the two camera had identical circuit boards and identical electronic components. So far as I am concerned that is irrelevant. Even if you took apart two models, and spent a couple of hours comparing them, under a magnifying glass, the two models obviously have different software. We don't know how many other changes there are in the different model's software.

As to whether the camera's circuitry is identical -- are you an electronics technician? Did you open up two cameras on your workbench, and spend time comparing them, side by side, under a magnifying glass? How long did you spend, comparing them?

A couple of decades ago my roommate and I took apart an electronic calculator. Doing so confirmed something I had been told. Its circuit board was sparse. There was one big chip, with only 60 percent of its leads hooked up. Why? Because manufacturers of electronic calculators would have a single chip to power all their calculators, which would have the inherent functionality to perform all the higher math functions of their most advanced calculators. The entry model calculators simply don't use the higher functions -- which is why so many leads weren't hooked up.

I would be very surprised if all of Panasonic's cameras manufactured within a year or so of when the DMC-ZS10 didn't have outwardly similar circuit boards -- circuit boards that appeared identical to all but the most stringent examination.

Consider a feature like "red-eye reduction". Two cameras could be completely physically identical, and yet have two distinct sets of features, because one might not use software that exercised the camera's inherent ability to implement features like, for instance, "red-eye reduction". Why would Panasonic, or any other camera manufacturer, sell cameras that didn't offer all the features their hardware was capable of?

  1. because they want to offer cameras at as many price points as possible?
  2. some software features may require more memory than were included on the low end models.
  3. they wanted to start using their newest chip in all their new models today, but the software to implement some new feature hadn't been written and debugged prior to that model's manufacture.

So, please, can we rely solely on the model name the camera embeds in the image? Geo Swan (talk) 14:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

fyi[edit]

I mentioned you by name at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard. I don't think you are a vandal, and I said so. But you are ignoring that other contributors don't agree with you, and that is a problem. Geo Swan (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2014 (UTC)