User talk:Aphaia

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… einfach nur so für ein bisschen gute Laune :-) --:Bdk: 23:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Moin Aphaia, schön, dass Du auch hierhin gefunden hast. Ich freu mich schon auf Fotos aus Deiner Heimat :-) Grüße von :Bdk: 17:41, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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hi aphaia. könntest du dein kommentar bei Commons:Löschanträge#Image:Wikiquote without text.png evtl. nochmal überdenken, denn deine begründung kommt mir spanisch vor. wieso denken wir beim löschen denn nicht an die kleinen wikis? bei den links kannst du alle wikipedias, wikinews, wikibooks und wikitionaries einsehen Schaengel89 @me 18:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

knuddel zurück :-)

Es findet gerade eine Diskussion über das Löschen von redundanten Bildern statt: Commons:Village pump/Deleting of images. Vielleicht interessiert es Dich? Alles liebe --Paddy 14:10, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Auch dieses Jahr wünsche ich Dir ein gesegnetes Weihnachtsfest und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr. Ich bin nach Braunschweig umgezogen und arbeite dort. Weihnachten verbringe ich wie die letzen Jahre in Prag, der goldenen Stadt. Alles Liebe --Paddy 17:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

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Lcarsdata 14:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Saints cat's

Let me know if there is ever a big discussion on how to categorize the saints. --Evrik 17:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, sorry for delay. I think there has been no big discussion on categorizion for (Christian) saints here on Commons. --Aphaia 11:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Okay, thanks. --Evrik 20:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

autoblock on wikiquote

Hi,

Thanks for blocking q:JackMerridew TEMP. It seems the autoblock has got me blocked. Could you reset it? If you don't see this soon, I think it'll clear-up if I stay off wikiquote tomorrow. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 10:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Block ID is 3292. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 10:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ja.wikinewsにおいて

こんにちは。Nerunrunです。ウィキニュースでMarine-Buleさんがビューロクラットに立候補されていますが[1]、信任されたものとして権限付与を行なってもよいのではないかと思い、連絡を差し上げました。対応のほどよろしくお願いします。--Nerunrun (talk) 03:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

おしらせありがとうございます。さっそくみてみます。--Aphaia (talk) 11:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Naming

Hi, Aphaia

Maybe moving Category:Naoko Kizu to Category:Aphaia would be one step? But I'm thinking about instances of the name itself. When I wrote the category file, I understood that in the Japanese language, Japanese names use family name first. But I am also aware of how Japanese names are typically used in foreign language media, and I attached descriptions to follow the general "use English" principle.

Are you proposing that all Japanese people have the family name order used? Person categories and files themselves for modern day Japanese people, on Commons files themselves, use given name first. I believe that trying to propose that every Japanese person use the Japanese order on Commons would not succeed. You do have a personal preference for having family name first, but the media of European languages consistently uses given name first, so it would be expected that image descriptions, etc would describe modern day Japanese people with given name first (Category:Naoto Kan as an example). I think Japanese and Westerners who switch the names around understand the culture and conventions involved.

If you are proposing that only instances of your name be reversed for "official"/"formal" Commons files (category namespace and image namespace) - I am not sure that it would make sense to treat one person differently than other people (Wikipedians or public figures) and have your name in Japanese order with everyone else using Western order. I believed that having consistency among the modern day Japanese names would be the best practice. If you still want to have your name in Japanese order even in English, maybe the best step would be for me to make a post on the village pump and see what people think.

For personal/informal/casual use (userpages, talk pages, etc) it's fine to express your name as you like and to ask people who talk to you to address you as "Kizu Naoko" :)

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

You speak here in the voice of racism and ethnocentristism. I'm Kizu Naoko and your convenience nor preferences is no good reason at all to force me to alter my name. You have no right to teach what is my most appropriate name; you should learn it's quite racism to demand someone to obey a certain convention just because "it is official" in some environment, and allow them to keep their own in only "private" places. That is racism and ethnocentrism. You choose a certain culture and proclaim it as official and disrespect the others private. So I repeat here, don't alter my name, racist? Unless you don't give your racism away here, I'll take the next action. --Aphaia (talk) 06:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Whisper, it seems to me that the prevailing guideline is "use the name by which someone is generally known". In this case, I have only ever seen Aphaia's name as Kizu Naoko, because she has a very strong preference for that form. If you are looking at the English Wikipedia (which is only one of hundreds of projects you might look to), the article for Cher is named Cher, and the article for _why, who is known online as _why, why, or why the lucky stiff, is why the lucky stiff -- the names they have chosen and are commonly known by. Even though some of us may know _why's given and Christian names, we don't use them in the article and certainly don't use them in the article title or category, since he has a very strong preference to remain pseudonymous on the Internet.
Aphaia, I don't think Whisper intended to be racist at all -- rather trying to follow the standard guidelines we use for naming people. Luckily, our guidelines are quite generous when it comes to recognizing and using the names that people use for themselves. [the examples given above only apply to people who use many different versions of their name in public, or don't seem to have a preference.] --SJ+ 07:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Sj!
I notice that some Wikimania materials use Japanese order, and some Wikimania materials use Western order (like Aphaia's name badge at Wikimania 2008: File:Wikimania 2008 dungodung 64.jpg or the title of one Wikimania page (although the text within uses Japanese order))
I do understand that typically people are named as they go by, i.e. "Cher" is "Cher." The people who wrote the naming order guidelines on EN for Japanese people do not consider the actual naming order as part of the person's name - just a presentation of that name. While EN uses romanizations that people choose themselves (i.e. Macoto Tezka) - For people born after the first year of Meiji the names are always presented in western order, despite any preferences. While the MOS-JA allows for differences in spelling, nicknames, etc. it does not allow for differences in naming order. Japanese pen names (Yukio Mishima) are treated like legal names in this respect. If the post-Meiji 1 Japanese person is known under one name (like Cher) the one name is used, but the legal name is mentioned in the article, written in Western order. Other wikipedias like the Spanish and French do the same thing. The German Wikipedia does mix up naming orders for modern Japanese people, but I am not sure how that is decided.
While the English Wikipedia is just one of the Wikipedia projects, in general other European languages treat post-Meiji 1 Japanese names in the same way (western order) - Besides European languages, based on checking "Junichiro Koizumi" and "Naoto Kan" in other languages, other languages which typically do "western order" modern day Japanese names are Arabic, Bengali, Georgian (though some people put Georgia in Europe...), Hindi, Indonesian, Malay, Sunda, Tamil, Thai, Turkish (although part of Turkey is in Europe), and Yoruba.
The languages that typically keep post-Meiji 1 Japanese people's names in Japanese order are concentrated in East Asia (Korean, Standard Mandarin Chinese and other Chinese dialects, Vietnamese). In addition speakers of Hungarian, a European language which has its speakers using "last name first" themselves, have Japanese names in Japanese order. (If you are curious, in English Hungarian names are switched to fit the Western order too).
Having said that, the users at the Commons may wish to have a different policy. I think this discussion would be great for the Village pump
Aphaia: Aphaia. As SJ said, it's simply about a standard presentation of Japanese names. Neither Western society nor Japanese society have a consensus that using western order for Japanese names is considered racist. The Monbushu society shows that Japanese society has no consensus on whether the western naming order should be kept or abolished. In addition I discovered that speakers of languages in the Middle East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia also do the practice of using Western order names for post-Meiji 1 Japanese people.
The reason why I proposed having the name be different in talk pages versus is because typically manuals of style do not affect talk pages. On EN Wikipedia, while article titles, names in articles, etc. have to conform to Manuals of style (i.e. one should write "Naoto Kan" when referring to the current PM of Japan), people on talk pages don't need to (i.e. you can call him "Kan Naoto" as much as you want on the talk pages of EN Wikipedia - If he had a preference for "Kan Naoto" and signed up for an EN Wikipedia account he could call himself "User:Kan Naoto" and refer to himself as "Kan Naoto" on his userpage).
WhisperToMe (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Commons:Village_pump#Naming_order_of_Japanese_people WhisperToMe (talk) 19:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Naming part 2

Hi Aphaia.

  • The idea of switching the names around does not come from me. I want you to understand this. I did not invent this. This comes from Meiji-era Japan in the mid to late 1800s. This concept has been around for years before I was born. Read CNN or the BBC or The Daily Yomiuri or The Japan Times. They do it to all Japanese people. Example: Naoto Kan, Shigeru Miyamoto, Rumiko Takahashi. - Read English translations of Japanese comic books, and they usually have Japanese names in Western order. Play English translations of Japanese video games, and usually names are in Western order. Read English translations of Japanese novels, and usually Japanese names are in Western order.
  • " you are a racist pushing Asian people to obey "your stanrdard"" - But it does not apply to all "Asian" people. Only Japanese people. People from China (Deng Xiaoping) and Korea (Ban Ki-moon) are generally called by last name first even in English. The English publishing world does not switch those names around, so it would not be appropriate to say "Zedong Mao" or "Xiaoping Deng" or "Ki-moon Ban" - People don't do that.
  • " It's my own choice and preferences. Your preferences don't matter here" - But the category belongs to neither of us. The "preference" belongs to the general standards of the publishing/academic world. But this may mean that I move your category. Read below:

Whether I change back the category on my own, without any expression of consensus from the Commons userbase, depends upon whether I hear back from Noam Cohen (the guy who wrote http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/technology/25wikipedia.html?fta=y ) and what answer I get from him. I've e-mailed him twice, and frankly I'm not happy that I haven't heard back from him. I want to know (and hear from him) whether Cohen knows that Kizu is your family name.

  • If he knew it was your family name, then I move it back
  • If he didn't know it was your family name, but would have put your name as "Kizu Naoko" anyway, then I move it back
  • If he didn't know it was your family name and would not have used "Kizu Naoko" then I will continue to support leaving the category where it is now

It's the only reliable source article that mentions you, and the artcle refers to you as "Kizu Naoko". Since it is possible that Cohen may not have been aware that Kizu is your family name, I would very much like to hear back from him. Since Commons has no policy in place regarding Japanese names, Cohen's answer will determine where your category will go (unless the Commons userbase makes a policy/judgment on its own)

However on the English Wikipedia, I mentioned you in the en:Logo of Wikipedia article, using Cohen as a source. On EN they clearly state that all modern Japanese names MUST be in western order (Wikipedia:MOS-JA#Names_of_modern_figures "For a modern figure—a person born after the beginning of the Meiji period (January 1, 1868 onward for our purposes)—always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western alphabet, and Japanese style family name+<space>+given name for Japanese characters."), so in this instance we have to mention your name that way.

WhisperToMe (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

  • And after doing some research on Google Books, I found this interesting piece which mentions the dynamic regarding Japanese names: Page 632 of How Asia Got Rich
  • So if you said "you are a racist pushing Japanese people to obey "your standard" " and aimed that me, that would still be incorrect. You should be addressing the entire Western world and the Japanese people who reverse Japanese names in publications for foreigners. I am merely following what the publishing world has already established for usage of Japanese names in various foreign languages.
  • And if you say "but you shouldn't do what they do" - I say "all Wikimedia projects should follow what is rather than what it should be" - They are intended to describe and not proscribe.
  • But again, if Noam Cohen says that he intended to use "Kizu Naoko" in his article, then on Commons I will move your category to "Kizu Naoko", saying that if the NYT has granted you an exception, then we can too on the Commons.
  • WhisperToMe (talk) 05:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I would just like to reiterate that the above is absolutely not the right way to decide how to treat a community member, or anyone who indicates that we are causing them to suffer through our work. Whisper: your extensive arguments above, defending yourself rather than recognizing Aphaia's discomfort, demonstrate a rules-lawyering spirit and a lack of compassion and empathy, which Yochai Benkler mentioned as a pervasive and negative aspect of Wikimedian interactions online (from his presentation at Wikimania). Benkler suggested that this is one of the aspects of our community that is holding us back; his arguments were compelling.
Please reflect on this and consider changing how you interact with your fellow-editors. --SJ+ 21:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I didn't see this reply until now.
I might later e-mail you about this.
BTW Aphaia, I changed the names here to the Japanese order, after doing research on how your name was used in reliable sources - Since there is a source conflict and several major sources do use Japanese order, and I have no information on how English language newspapers and sources (like NYT and the Japan Times) would deal with this I changed the instances of the name back to Japanese order, and am leaving it that way at the moment. I still would like to hear back from Noam Cohen on the matter. I would like to have his contact information.
The general response to SJ's 5 September response would be answered by the section about Debito Arudou in en:Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles/Archive_25#On_WMF_editor_Aphaia.2FKizu_Naoko
WhisperToMe (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)