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Hwaseong Fortress categories[edit]

Rename Category:East-1 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong1 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:East-2 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong2 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:East-North Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seobuk Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 4 to go)
Rename Category:North Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎‎ to Category:Buk Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 4 to go)
Rename Category:Hwaryeongjeon to Category:Hwaryeongjeon‎ (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 4 to go)
Rename Category:Hwaseong Haenggung to Category:Haenggung (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 18 to go)
Rename Category:Bongdon‎ to Category:Bongdon‎ (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (9 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:Dongbuk gongsimdon‎ to Category:Dongbuk-gongsimdon‎ (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 14 to go)
Rename Category:Dongbuk nodae‎ to Category:Dongbuk-nodae‎ (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 7 to go)
Rename Category:East Command Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong-jangdae (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 6 to go)
Rename Category:Hwahongmun‎ to Category:Buk-sumun (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 9 to go)
Rename Category:Namsumun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Nam-sumun (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 2 to go)
Rename Category:Seobuk gongsimdon‎ to Category:Seobuk-gongsimdon‎ (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 12 to go)
Rename Category:Seonodae (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seo-nodae (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 2 to go)
Rename Category:West Command Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seo-jangdae (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 7 to go)
Rename Category:Banghwa suryujeong‎ to Category:Dongbuk-gangnu (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 10 to go)
Rename Category:Dongnam gangnu (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dongnam-gangnu (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:Seobuk gangnu‎ to Category:Seobuk-gangnu‎ (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:Seonam gangnu (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seonam-gangnu (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 5 to go)
Rename Category:Bukammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Buk-ammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 6 to go)
Rename Category:Dongammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong-ammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 10 to go)
Rename Category:Seoammun‎ to Category:Seo-ammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:Seonamammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seonam-ammun (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 8 to go)
Rename Category:Bukdongchi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Bukdong-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:Dongichi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong2-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 2 to go)
Rename Category:Dongilchi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong1-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 1 to go)
Rename Category:Dongsamchi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Dong3-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 2 to go)
Rename Category:Namchi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Nam-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 2 to go)
Rename Category:Seoichi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seo2-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 3 to go)
Rename Category:Seoilchi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Seo1-chi (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 4 to go)
Rename Category:Seosamchi‎ to Category:Seo3-chi‎ (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 4 to go) uniformity of all the 'Hwaseong Fortress' subcategories Pldx1 (talk) 18:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Made some edits, as in English we don't write "GunTower" or "SentryPost" (should be "Gun Tower" and "Sentry Post". Also, I feel we should stick to "Dongilchi", "Dongichi" and so on, rather than change them to "Dong1-chi", "Dong2-chi", etc., as these don't seem like proper words. But I'm not sure about the latter, because I don't know how such words are usually written in Korean. — Cheers, JackLee talk 10:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I've left a message at "en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language" asking about the right terminology. I've also put a copy of this mass request here in case Foroa wants to temporarily remove it from "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands". — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

A series of proposed moves ending by :

Rename Category:Seosamchi‎ to Category:Seo3-chi‎ (Hwaseong Fortress) (0 entries moved, 4 to go) uniformity of all the 'Hwaseong Fortress' subcategories Pldx1 (talk) 18:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Made some edits, as in English we don't write "GunTower" or "SentryPost" (should be "Gun Tower" and "Sentry Post". Also, I feel we should stick to "Dongilchi", "Dongichi" and so on, rather than change them to "Dong1-chi", "Dong2-chi", etc., as these don't seem like proper words. But I'm not sure about the latter, because I don't know how such words are usually written in Korean. — Cheers, JackLee talk 10:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I've left a message at "en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language" asking about the right terminology. I've also put a copy of this mass request at "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/talk" in case Foroa wants to temporarily remove it. — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Hello. A renaming like 'move cat|East-1 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎|Dong1 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)' was NOT my proposal and, in my opinion, is exactly what should be avoided. When I have proposed these series of renamings, I have thinked that they were not controversial : I was the recent creator of most of them, and there was at least one historical example of each proposal.
If someone thinks that these renamings are controversial, we have to use the regular procedure: "if you challenge a request added here, please simply remove it and kindly inform the requester of your reason for doing so. Invite the requester to open a formal request using
Warning {{Move}} should not be placed in this page. Use it in the appropriate namespace.

or COM:CFD to discuss the requested name change".

I will, in a near future, open such a discussion. Some elements can be found at : en:Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Renaming_of_categories_relating_to_the_Hwaseong_Fortress_at_the_Wikimedia_Commons
For the moment, the uniformity of the main subcategories should be restored by
Rename Category:Sentry posts of Hwaseong Fortress)‎ to Category:Sentry Posts (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ (0 entries moved, 0 to go)
Rename Category:Gun towers of Hwaseong Fortress‎ to Category:Gun Towers (Hwaseong Fortress‎) (0 entries moved, 0 to go)
It will be an interresting discussion to argue between '(HF)', 'of HF' and 'of the HF', but all of the other sub-categories are now using parentheses (and my proposal was to maintain this uniformity, using parentheses). Pldx1 (talk) 11:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't have any objection to either "Sentry posts of Hwaseong Fortress" or "Sentry posts (Hwaseong Fortress)", and will leave the decision to the administrator doing the renaming. However, in English we do not capitalize terms like gun towers and sentry posts unless a specific gun tower or sentry post is being referred to. Thus, "Sentry posts (Hwaseong Fortress)" is correct but "Sentry Posts (Hwaseong Fortress)" is wrong. However, "Seobuk Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)" is correct because a specific sentry post is being referred to. — Cheers, JackLee talk 20:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
  • One more (last) time: the point was not about this or that, but about uniformity over the 60 subcategories 'Hwaseong Fortress', the aim being to provide an easy use... for people using these categories. If this cannot be obtained using English words, there are so many other languages: remember, we are in Commons. The German Kanonenturm, Watchturm, usw. would do the job. The Pinyin Paolu, Pulou, etc. would also be efficient. This needs time, reflexion, discussion and consensus. For the moment, this a job in progress. Nevertheless, the unilateraly decided renaming of 'Sentry Posts (Hwaseong Fortress)' into 'Sentry posts of Hwaseong Fortress)' seems weird, even according to any English rule. Thank you for this interresting contribution. Pldx1 (talk) 09:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I agree with you absolutely that there should be uniformity in category names. However, we do have policies about how categories should be named. At the moment, the policy is category names should generally be in English: see "Commons:Categories#Category names". There isn't always a standard English name for a particular place. In such a case, I think it is appropriate to use the name of the place in its original language but spelled using the Roman alphabet (for example, "Category:Fukushima prefecture", not "福島県"). However, if you want to translate the name, then it would have to be in English and not other languages such as German or Mandarin. Also, you would have to ensure that it follows English language conventions, such as Gun Tower and not GunTower. As for categories like "Sentry posts of Hwaseong Fortress", note that the format "'XXX part' of 'YYY place'" is frequently used in the Commons. Here are some examples: "Category:Towers of the Sagrada Família"; "Category:Walls of the former Dominican Monastery in Elbląg". — Cheers, JackLee talk 09:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Taking the first item here as an example all that is being done is substituting the word Dong for the word East, the romanisation of the Korean word for east, if we want to be true to the use of the tower's proper name then we should go all the way and use the accepted Romanisations of the Korean names so [[Category::Dongilporu]] in preference to either Category:East-1 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎ or Category:Dong1 Sentry Post (Hwaseong Fortress)‎. However given that doing this would make the categories meaningless to anyone unfamiliar with the topic I would not advocate this.

Categories may be descriptive or proper names, and in some category schemes the descriptive names are applied throughout, e.g Category:Air force of xxxx nation rather than the proper name of the organisation so Category:Air force of the United Kingdom rather than Royal Air Force. So although Category:Sentry Posts (Hwaseong Fortress) and Category:Sentry posts of Hwaseong Fortress look similar there are subtle differences between the two; the first is based on a proper name categorisation, whilst the second is an attempt at a descriptive one. So maybe Category:Hwaseong Fortress east 1 sentry post?--20:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Really this should go to Commons:Categories for discussion.--20:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
For everybody's information Pldx1 has moved the contents of Category:Sentry posts of Hwaseong Fortress to Category:Poru (Hwaseong Fortress).--KTo288 (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Moving lots of files into new category[edit]

I'm confused about how to formally request this, but I just created the empty Category:Maps of the Cascade Range because the files in Category:Maps of Cascade Range need to be moved there. Can this bot or another bot move all the files? Jsayre64 (talk) 03:56, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Jsayre64, please keep the attribution next time when moving to a new category name. It's important that we list all the previous authors of a category before moving it, either in the edit summary or elsewhere. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 18:50, 20 April 2014 (UTC)