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Template challenge[edit]

Hi Dschwen, I have spend hours on this template problem (a sad commentary on my life). Maybe you know how to do it (the simple solution is of course to let the user remove the <PRE> tags themselves, but that is cheating and not very elegant)? -- Slaunger 17:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Commons:Meet our illustrators[edit]

Now that we have several entries on this page, we ought to have a randomizer along the lines that you put in place for Commons:Meet our photographers. Regards, --MichaelMaggs 18:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Done, but those user profiles are a mess! Nobody is using the intended Template:Wikimedia illustrator (me neither by the way ;-) ). And they do weird copy pasting, an slam in div tags without closing them. --Dschwen 19:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Upload form, V2.0[edit]

Do you have the time and would be willing to re-test the upload form on Konqueror here (full version) and here (basic version)? This is not about the form restoration bug: without having a running Konqueror here, I can't really fix that. But the new form now has an integrated help, and I'd like to make sure it also runs on Konqueror. It is tested on FF and IE6. See User talk:Pfctdayelise#Upload form V2.0 for some more info (oh, and User talk:Lupo#Recursion and User talk:Lupo#Re: Upload form design: help texts if you want to know where this came from). Lupo 16:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Ach, und schon wieder die "falsche" Sprache! Sorry... Lupo 16:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Jo, sieht gut aus. Aber ich muss langsam mal zu bedenken geben, dass der Code mittlerweile gigantische Ausmasse angenommen hat. Der Konqueror goennt sich eine 8 Sekunden lange Denkpause zwischen Erstem Seitenaufbau, und Anzeige des JS-generierten Riesenformulars. Und das trotz Dual-Xeon-Burner-Rechner... --Dschwen 20:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Jaaaa, IE hat da auch noch ein Problem. Muss wohl einige Dinge in separate Threads auslagern, und ein paar Dinge nicht schon auf Vorrat machen, sondern erst, wenn benötigt. FF ist hübsch schnell. Tuning kommt noch :-) Es ging erst 'mal darum, ob das Ding überhaupt läuft. Lupo 20:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

almost scratch and sniff[edit]

Some of your photographs make me very homesick. This one for instance. I could almost smell it and I found myself really checking to see that it wasn't across the street from these buildings. The gas station in the distance would be on the other side though, to the east and up a hill. And that one newer building isn't on the street in Ypsilanti. The 'midwest' is what I know the most. The group of buildings that is across the street from the photograph of Ypsilanti has a ballroom in the upper story of the connected and facaded buildings -- at least that is what the legend/rumors were.

Anyways, your photograph smelled good to me. -- carol 00:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :-). Documenting the towns in my area is my new little project. Not as glorious as big city skylines, but it's nice to explore the surroundings. --Dschwen 12:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Upload form V2.0 speed tuning[edit]

Falls Du Lust hast, kannst Du's nochmals probieren. Ich habe (nebst einigen anderen kleineren Änderungen) auch ein paar Umstrukturierungen gemacht, die zumindest auf IE die Zeit für den Build-up der Form um die Hälfte reduziert haben. Das Laden der ganzen Texte aus dem DOM ist weder auf IE noch auf FF ein Problem. Event handlers zu setzen scheint aber in IE teuer zu sein, dynamische Stylesheets hinzufügen ebenfalls. Beides verbessert, und nun gehts schneller; auf FF allerdings war nichts zu bemerken, aber FF ist sowieso enorm schnell. Auf FF nun <<1sec, IE ~1.7sec ohne Help, ~2.5sec mit Help.

Mit diesem link hier (Debug-Flag gesetzt) kriegst Du einen Alert am Ende mit ein paar Zeiten. Lupo 12:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Jo, 1.6sec mit help im Konqueror! Das nenne ich mal eine deutliche Verbesserung! --Dschwen 12:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Super, Danke! Dann wär ja zumindest das erledigt... Lupo 12:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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HotCat[edit]

Re [1]: tatsächlich könnte der Server zwei Dinge für HotCat tun:

  1. Markieren aller Category-Links, die tatsächlich auch als [[Category:...]] im Wikitext der Seite vorhanden sind (oder umgekehrt), z.B. durch setzen von <a href="..." title="..." class="... wpDirectCategory">. Damit könnte HotCat nur für diese Kategorien eingeschaltet werden und die restlichen ignorieren, da es diese ja dann sowieso nicht verändern kann. Ohne Serverunterstützung geht das nur mit einem zusätzlichen Request...
  2. Mit eingeschaltetem Edit-API könnte HotCat die Seite sogar im Hintergrund modifizieren, ohne dass der Benutzer davon etwas mitbekommen müsste (ausser bei Edit-conflicts). Somit könnte der Benutzer mehrere Kategorien nacheinander verändern, ohne störende Edit-screens dazwischen.

Aber auch nur (1) wäre schon was. Lupo 21:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

(2) wuerde auch schon mit einem verstecken iframe gehen! Man braeuchte nur ein visuelles feedback, wenn der edit tatsaechlich angschlossen ist
(1) genau daran hab ich auch schon gedacht. Kann ja mal einen bug aufmachen. hab die Hoffnung noch nicht ganz aufgegeben. --Dschwen 21:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Zu (2): nö, ein feedback vom iframe brauchst Du nur, wenn der Edit nicht geklappt hat. Ansonsten kann HotCat (wie auf der Upload-Seite) ja direkt die Anzeige updaten.
Zu (1): Na ja, wenn der Server uns die Kategorien nicht markiert, können wir uns ja einfach mit "action=raw" den Wikitext holen. Aber das serverseitig zu machen, wäre sicher besser. Lupo 21:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Zu (2), doch, oder? Wenn der User vor abschluss des verstecken iframe edits die Seite wechselt (also bevor der submit button automatisch betaetigt wird) wird der edit vermutlich nicht durchgefuehrt.
Zu (1), hm ja, das hatte simmetrical ja gemutmasst, aber das wuerde ein extra page get fuer _jeden_ page visit bedeuten. Man koennte diese Funktionalitaet hoechstens anbieten wenn man eh im edit-modus ist. --Dschwen 21:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
(2): Hmmm.... da hast Du wohl recht. Ich habe keinerlei Erfahrung mit diesen iframe-Techniken.
(1): Sagte ich ja... ohne Serverunterstützung geht's nur mit einem zusätzlichen Request. Dieser allerdings kann ja asynchron im Hintergrund ablaufen, d.h. die Seite ist schon angezeigt, nur bis HotCat aktiv wird, würde es noch ein Momentchen dauern. Wie gesagt, ist sicherlich nicht ideal, aber notfalls könnte man es 'mal so probieren. Lupo 08:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Urbana, IL[edit]

So, after seeing what might have been gimp via gnomevfs or perhaps wiki software destroying images hosted by what looks like NASA web sites -- I found it to be extremely interesting that I learn today via a web page that one of the people I met in Norway has moved from San Diego to Urbana.

I can't sing (I don't think I can at least) so a 'nick' like carol is kind of funny; similarly, a nick like _Vicious_ is the same kind of funny for that one.

I can't sing (I don't think I can at least) so a 'nick' like carol is kind of funny. But at least your last name fits! badabing. --Dschwen 22:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I accused you of being one of them (the people I "met" on irc between 2001 and 2003) before -- I am only sorry if I am wrong with these accusations; Chicago & Illinois, wiki-adminship and being able to write software are what makes me consider these accusations. -- carol 21:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, I don't remember you accusing me of such things. And by the way I've only been living in Illinois for half a year now :-). Let's see 2001-2003. I didn't have much IRC activity back then. --Dschwen 21:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Do you know a way to convert xwd to png without imagemagik? I find myself slightly too far on the wrong side of the bleeding edge today.... -- carol 22:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, that edge isn't bleeding, it is so old, it is already rusty. Using xwd to take screenies? Sorry, I'm a KDE kid (ksnapshot saves png). Hmm, whats the problem with imagemagick? --Dschwen 22:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Yesterdays gimp/gtk+ has a few interesting (a few being like 13 of one and 15 of the other) features to it, one of those features is that the save dialog doesn't seem to be working. Gotta grab those good shots when I can with whatever I have that is working. Imagemagick is just huge and to get it from debian means to install a bunch of crap I don't want & won't use and to build it myself just sounds like an other 'adventure' or 'hunt the wumpus' or one of the latest thousand flavors of these. http://carol.gimp.org/GIMP/2008/Mar/gimp-2008-03-21.xwd
I tried to remove the photoshop ad from the article gimp on wikipedia at 01:23 but failed. It is at times like this that my biggest regret is that I said that C-programmers are a dime a dozen. Regrets have this way of shuffling around though. -- carol 22:18, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


How about xv, that oughta do it. --Dschwen 22:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh, there was some GUI for ya'. Thanks for the suggestion and the smile :) -- carol 22:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
In the case that you might have been considering installing it yourself, so far, make-3.75 and gcc-3.3 have failed. xv source doesn't have any files in it dated past 1996 and recommends even then to not use imake.... -- carol 23:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I am also disappointed by this. A handbuilt xv on a 64-bit computer had this certain appeal to it. -- carol 23:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, would have increased you geek-appeal considerably. If you still need it converted, here: [2].--Dschwen 00:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the png :) Calling it 'geek' appeal puts this into a different light entirely as this has not been working very well for me for what I wanted. Still, watching make make the make Makefile -- better than watching dselect update dpkg.... -- carol 00:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

✓ Done I took care of that. It wouldn't work when I first tried signing it - that's why I did that. Sorry - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Noch nicht ganz erledigt[edit]

Hallo Dschwen. Sorry fürs Nachhaken, aber kannst du noch einen allerletzten Punkt erledigen? Vielen Dank im Voraus. --Leyo 01:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Nee, mir tut das leid! Ich bin wohl mit den beiden Templates durcheinander gekommen und dachte den admin link haette ich schon korrigiert. Jetzt sollte es aber erledigt sein. --Dschwen 02:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Super, jetzt passt's. Vielen Dank! Und nun lasse ich dich in Ruhe. ;-) --Leyo 03:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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You know -- I had 40 years of weather like this for a while every year. Do you know what, in my opinion, is worse (not wurst) than weather like this? Not having seasons. This not having seasons (here in the Bay area they have two seasons, the hot & dry season and the cool & wet season) is just awful. Your photographs make me homesick -- especially these depressing ones. Here, I know it is me that is depressed, there -- it could just be the weather.... -- carol 13:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


Panorama Geocoding[edit]

[3] enthält jetzt die Höhenberechnung auf dem Bildschirm über eine entsprechende Winkelfunktion aus Distanz und Aufnahmehöhe, was in dem Fall schon recht gut zu funktionieren scheint. Unter Template:Location-Panorama findet sich jetzt die Hilfe samt Vorgehensbeschreibung zur einfachen Winkelbestimmung. Du kannst das ja mal testen und sicher ist dein englisch besser als meins. Also was meine Doku angeht, darfst du die gerne überarbeiten, wenn du etwas unpassendes findest. Später kann das ja auf eine Projektseite. --Kolossos 08:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Achso im neuen Skript "*-edit*" gibt es jetzt ein kleines Javascript, was die Objekte um die halbe div-Breite nach links verschiebt und somit die Objekte exakt positioniert. Dadurch werden die Objekte der vorher kalibrierten Bilder leicht versetzt angezeigt und ich muss sie nochmal die nächsten Tage überarbeiten. --Kolossos 09:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hidden categories[edit]

Is there some policy or consensus discussion that says certain categories should be hidden? If so, can you please give me a link to it. If not, who is making the decision to hide certain categories? -Thanks Nv8200p 15:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I found what I was looking for at the Village Pump. Sorry to bother you. -Regards Nv8200p 16:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

words spelled backwards[edit]

What do you get when you spell rentawiki backwards? -- carol 21:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Hm, thats a tough one... ikiwatner... ah, the dime is dropping! --Dschwen 21:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Multipurpose award template[edit]

Hi Dschwen, What do you think about this? Would it affect the implementation ofUser:QICbot? -- Slaunger 10:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I think FPmul is a good idea for FPs, but stretching it to be a general award template is a bad idea. Mixing FP and QI doesn't make sense to me. --Dschwen 12:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
We agree then. There is a long thread about it too here. -- Slaunger 12:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I've read it before, but decided to answer just now. --Dschwen 12:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Disheartening...[edit]

Hi Daniel, I do agree with you comment, however I tend to evaluate 'clear' cases (for me that is) straight away, the others gradually move to the bottom of the queue. I have noticed lately that there are far more nominators than reviewers on QI (or has this always been the case?). I try to do my share but I don't always feel qualified (art, buildings, ...)? I'm not to happy with Benjamint444's way of posting (and including his friend Fir), but rules says it passes on size and the quality is IMO good, so... Lycaon 13:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I absolutely share those sentiments. And I didn't mean to snap at you. Your work on QI is certainly appreciated! --Dschwen 14:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

soul sucking[edit]

I have had to (in my minds eye) evolve some of the long time QI reviewers/nominators into commedians in an attempt to stay at least attentive. Different from that was the recent change in the noise level there. I have been waiting for that to die off and I suspect that others were as well. QI seemed to be fun for only a few. In particular the "it should be simple" clan of people -- starting with a comment on my talk page when I simply erased promotions or declines because a ~~~~ was left instead of a signature. Interesting about this 'era' in QI to me also is the strong feeling I have that it starts on the wiki irc.... -- carol 17:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Geocoding[edit]

Hi Daniel,

I posted some comments on Commons_talk:Geocoding#File_metadata. It seems that you was intrested in topic last year. Does the interest still continue? --Nevit Dilmen 10:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

A possible algorithm for the bot might be: 1. Look in commons database for images with altitude tag. (since it seems to be extracted properly) 2. A php script from toolserver directly look at the image exif and write the appropriate tag to page??? --Nevit Dilmen 10:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I had in mind. I'll most likely be a python script though :-) --Dschwen 12:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Your conduct[edit]

Please stop interfering with my work [4]

I have spent the last hour trying to figure out what wasn't working in the template. Stop wasting my time. Please!

You have any idea how frustrating this is?

-- Cat ちぃ? 22:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Three things would help here: Respecting consensus, discussing major changes beforehand, and assuming good faith. --Dschwen 02:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I am not your pet. Do not dictate what I can and cannot do. I made no major changes. That is only in your mind. Assuming good faith... That would be a novelty on your part... -- Cat ちぃ? 09:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

FP template[edit]

Hi Daniel,

I think you might want to take a look at this discussion Alvesgaspar 22:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Wir laufen uns immer wieder über den Weg![edit]

Hoi Daniel, wie gefallen die Leben und Arbeit in den Staaten? Dass dir das Fotografieren dort gefällt, sieht man ja. Ich hoffe, du nimmst mir nicht übel, dass ich dein Interstate-Brückenbild schlecht finde. Ich musste schmunzeln, als ich dein altes Gerichtsgebäude sah, hatte ich doch kürzlich selbst eines geschossen. Selbst erstaunt war ich, als ich in meinem Archiv ein ähnliches (aber nicht so gutes) Bild deiner Kuh gefunden hab! Vielleicht läuft man sich ja mal in den USA über den Weg, vielleicht wage ich auch mal den Sprung ins Ausland! Lieber Gruss --Ikiwaner 22:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hallo! Nee quatsch, inhaltliche Divergenzen sollte man hier niemandem uebelnehmen. Das mit den aehnlichen Bilder ist ja wirklich witzig! Bist Du etwa der Parallelwelt-Dschwen, mein Evil Twin aus der Schweiz?! ;-) Du warst also gerade in Amerika? User:Alvesgaspar habe ich schon hier getroffen, als er auf einer Tagung in Chicago war (ich selbst wohne etwa 2.5h suedlich). Es gefaellt mir eigentlich ganz gut. Die Arbeit ist prima, aber das Land ist platt. Wir (ich und meine geschaetze Frau) sind die letzten Wochenenden viel unterwegs gewesen, zumal der Sommer hier langsam anbricht. Gestern in St. Louis war leider mieses Wetter (schlechte Wiki-Ausbeute ;-) ). Aber ich hab noch einiges zum hochladen auf der Festplatte. In zwei Wochen gehts nach New York City. Da wird geknipst bis der Sensor brennt! Ich habe einiges zu reshooten weil die letzen beiden male nur die kleine Powershot G3 mit war. Also wenn Du mal in die Gegend kommst sag bescheid! (Hatten wir uns am Rhone-Gletscher letztes Jahr nicht knapp verfehlt?). --Dschwen 23:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Ja, war knapp am Rhonegletscher. Jetzt warte ich gespannt auf meinen Nodalpunktadapter aus den Staaten! LG --Ikiwaner 18:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Image:Fira and the Old Port MC.jpg[edit]

Hallo Daniel, danke für dein Kommentar zu meinem Bild auf der QIC Seite. Ich dachte es wäre ein Problem, wenn einzelne Personen auf dem Bild identifizierbar sind (auch wenn sie nicht das eigentliche Motiv darstellen und nur "Füllmaterial" sind :-)). Ich hab mal eine höher aufgelöste Version hochgeladen. Vielleicht siehst du ja mal rein... Viele Grüße aus Wien, Christian. Chmehl 19:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Also nach deutschem Recht duerften sie als Staffage, also nebensaechliches Beiwerk, gelten. Ausserdem befinden siech die Leute soweit ich das beurteilen kann im oeffentlichen Raum (Touristen auf einer touristisch erschlossenen Insel). Die moderne Technik, und die modernen detailversessenen fleissigen Fotografen haben das Gesetz m.E. nach allerdings schon ueberholt, da damals sicher nicht bedacht wurde, dass das Beiwerk in einem superaufgeloesten Bild zum Erstellen eines immernoch maessig aufgeloesten Portraits benutzt werden kann. Na ja, ich wuerde mir erstmal keine Gedanken dazu machen. In Deinem Bild sind die Gesicher doch noch so klein, dass Dir niemand ernsthaft an den Karrn fahren koennen wird. Fuer die Zukunft sollte die Frage aber vielleicht mal etwas genereller geklaert werden. --Dschwen 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Quality image candidate nominations template for robust sigs help[edit]

Hi Dschwen, the template ignorant is back. Regarding the discussion about broken signatures in QICs when Java script was enabled I have made a test implementation using the {{#tag:gallery|....|widths="143px"}} idea here: User:Slaunger/Sandbox/QICs1. Whereas this works with embedding ~~~~ independent of whether JavaScript is enabled or not I agree with you that the notation is too cumbersome. But then I got another idea, which is perhaps easier for nominators and reviewers to grasp. What today is written as

<gallery widths="143px">
aQIC.jpg|{{/Nomination|Nominators comment and sig|Reviewers comment and sig}}
...
</gallery>

Could instead be written as

{{QICs|
aQIC.jpg|Nomination|Nominators comment and sig|Reviewers comment and sig|
...
}}

The idea is that

{{#if:{{{1|}}}...}}

the first four parameters would be delegated to a

{{QIC}}

as

{{QIC|{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}|{{{4}}}}}.

The QIC template should then expand that to

{{{1}}}{{!}}{{\Nomination|{{{3}}}|{{{4|}}}}} when :<nowiki>{{#swtich:{{{2}}}|Nomination=...}}

and so on and so forth...

Then,

{{#if:{{{5|}}}}}

we would know that we had a second image in the gallery and we would call

{{QIC|{{{5}}}|{{{6}}}|{{{7}}}|{{{8}}}}}

and so on...

I have tried to initiate an implemention of that in my sandbox here (only the first four parameters): User:Slaunger/Sandbox/QICs2, but it does not work :-( I suspect the problem is pipe characters which should be {{!}} or something like that, but I cannot figure it out.

You are a master at debugging templates. Can you help me? (If you think it is a stupid idea, do not bother, just tell, and I will cease the experiments...)-- Slaunger 21:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It is a stupid idea ;-). No it actually is a good idea, but I fear the template behemoth it is going to spawn will generate problems. Some time ago a software limit was introduced on how many if's per page (including all its included subpages and templates) are allowed. See en:Wikipedia:Template_limits. One of the limits is the 500 parserfunction call limit. I'm pretty sure that with the current traffic on QIC this will be exceeded. Also the structure you propose is pretty fragile. One missing argument (or one too much) will screw up the gallery. Isn't there a way to do this with one template per entry? I'm kind of reluctant too put too much energy in this, since there a) is an open bug-report (and i'm still hoping it'll get fixed) and b) the JS sigs seem to be working pretty good (yes, they do, it's just the few times they don't people get so irritated/upset that they make a lot of noise, which creates the impression that tes situation is worse than it actually is ;-) ). --Dschwen 21:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for confirming that my ideas are stupid ;-) The number of ParserFunctions per QICs template (one per day) would probably not exceed the number of nominations per day, whereas the accumulated number on the total page woudl, well be approximately identical to the number of images, an increasing number. But I agree with you that it is fragile. Especially the last closing pipe character on each line is likely to be forgotten. Concerning making things more robust one could do something like this
== May 14, 2008 ==
{{QICs
|{{QIC|aQIC.jpg|Nomination|Nominators comment and sig}}
|{{QIC|anotherQIC.jpg|Decline|Nominators comment and sig|Reviewers comment and sig}}
|{{QIC|...}}
...
}}
== May 13, 2008 ==
{{QICs
|...
which has a complexity level approximateæy equivalent with the current solution, but equally robust. Would still require some nested ifs though... in the QICs template.
The last time I looked at that bug report there did not seem to be much enthusiasm in fixing it nor sympathy for the QIC situation. I agree the sig incidents cause a lot of noise, but then again it is really quite unfortunate that unexpanded sigs can be unwillingly rendered as another user, even if it only occurs rarely. -- Slaunger 22:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
And howabout a {{QICDayStart}} opening- and {{QICDayEnd}} closing-template instead? No ifs. --Dschwen 22:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Two templates, one ParserFunction!
Hey, once again you prove you are really smart! I keep forget you can do these ugly things like having half a ParserFunction in one template and the other half in another. So what you suggest is
== May 14, 2008 ==
{{QICDayStart}}
{{QIC|aQIC.jpg|Nomination|Nominators comment and sig}}
{{QIC|anotherQIC.jpg|Decline|Nominators comment and sig|Reviewers comment and sig}}
{{QIC|...}}
...
{{QICDayEnd}}
== May 13, 2008 ==
{{QICDayStart}}
{{QICs
|...

Are we sure this could actually work (I am going to bed now, abandon ship)? -- Slaunger 22:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Back again. I will try to implement a demo in my sandbox. If I can make it work, I'll probably post in on COM:QIC as a proposal. -- Slaunger 19:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I tried it out here and I cannot make it work. Can you see what is wrong? -- Slaunger 20:06, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh boy. I fear that the concept is doomed, as the #tag:gallery syntax cannot be used at all. Geez, have you found any documentation on #tag at all? Seems hard to find. --Dschwen 22:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Well my first example I wrote to you about earlier shows that #tag_gallery works, and I also use it in {{VISC}} as a method for passing a width parameter to a gallery. I have not found any documentation either, but made it work there using trial and error. -- Slaunger 04:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Commons:Village pump#New upload form[edit]

FYI: I'm proposing to go live with this (finally!). Lupo 08:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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question[edit]

Hi, Dschwen, you might have seen This nomination. Maybe, if the image is croped, it could gain more support votes. May I please ask, if you're willing to crop the image? Thank you.--Mbz1 19:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating it! Now that you mention it, maybe 15% could be taken off on the right side. --Dschwen 20:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Maybe you could do it yourself, please? If you do not, I'll do it, but I believe it will be better, if you do. If you do not want to add your new cropped version to the nomination, I will. BTW it is not me, who suggested the crop, it is MichaelMaggs. I really like the image the way it is.--Mbz1 20:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I cropped the image here. May I please ask you to take a look and tell me, if you like it. Thank you.--Mbz1 15:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for caltrain station review[edit]

Thank you for reviewing my image and taking care of geotagging while I was on a weekend getaway. Cheers! Barabas 17:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Help needed with the Valued images project[edit]

As you may have seen, this project is going live for nominations on 1 June, 2008 at 0:00 UTC. Before then, there are a few things to be finished off, and any help you can give will be welcome. The latest discussion is at Commons talk:Valued images candidates#Open action items for Valued images.

When the project launches publicly on 1 June, it will need reviewers who are able to jump in quickly and provide prompt feedback. During those critical first few weeks it will be important to have a decent number of reviewers who are prepared to put in the effort to make sure the first nominations are well-reviewed, as that will set the standard for the future.

Would you help, please, with the final tasks now, and also pledge your help with some reviewing on 1 June and thereafter? --MichaelMaggs 17:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


Use of {{Pano360}}[edit]

I have seen that you added to a series of 360 panoramaphotos of me {{Pano360}}. That is a nice addition. Is there somewhere more info about it? Thanks --Wouter 19:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

You can find all minimal docs on {{Pano360}}. Essentially there is only one parameter, the position of the horizon in your image. Some further documentation on how to increase the java heap size on different systems would be nice. With the standard settings only the lowres versions will work. --Dschwen 20:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Quality Image Promotion[edit]

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Congratulations! Great work. Barabas 20:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch! --Dschwen 21:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

VI closure[edit]

Hi Dschwen, I have written down a proposal concerning VI nomination closure. I realize there are perhaps one or two things in my proposed actions which would make the life of a VICbot a little hard, not least my last item of addding/marking the VI in the conventional content category/page structure. There may be other solutions, which I have not thought of. maybe you have some ideas/comments. -- Slaunger 21:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

deprecated function in your monobook.js[edit]

Dear user, I noticed that you use the includePage function in your monobook.js page.

This function is now obsolete, as the importScript function was introduced with rev:35064 to the MediaWiki Javascript core library wikibits.js. It also keeps track of already imported files.

To allow us to remove includePage from Mediawiki:Common.js I'd kindly ask you to replace its use with importScript (same syntax!). Thanks! --Dschwen 17:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

✓ Done --Filnik\b[Rr]ock\b!? 18:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done --Prevert(talk) 19:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done --「Twice29.0 · contributi · talk」 22:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done Gnangarra 00:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done --Augustin B. 10:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done Retama 16:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, at last it was included in core :) - I find strange though that it was made with Dom functions as i was told some time ago at #wikipedia-tech that some browsers didn't load it in that case. (and yes, ✓ Done) Platonides 14:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

TUSC token e7f6a3c2f02030aba70bc793e1e35006[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Translate VI announcement to German?[edit]

Hi Daniel, I would be very happy if you could write a German translation of this? If not, can you suggest one who will? -- Slaunger 21:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. As always, a second pair of eyes couldn't hurt. I'd like to create Commons:Wertvolle Bilder but I'm a little short on time, gotta pack for my New York trip. Yeah baby, I'm going to NYC :-) --Dschwen 01:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Don't worry about the localization to German. I think it is healthy to wait a little, just to make sure guidelines and everything are pretty stable, otherwise the maintenance burden of keeping various localized versions in sync and up to date gets too large. I wisjh you a nice trip to NY. -- Slaunger 03:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

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Fishy deletion request[edit]

Hi Daniel,

You might be interested in taking a look at this. Looks fishy, doesn't it? Maybe it is a good idea to remove all those templates from the pictures -- Alvesgaspar 19:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

importScript problem[edit]

The change you asked me to make seems to have stopped my monobook.js from working. I lose all of the lovingly-ripped-off code of Lupo's, including the helper scripts for closing deletion requests, which I really can't do without. I have reverted back includePage to for now. Can you help? (copied also to Lupo, for information). --MichaelMaggs 19:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Forget that. TheDJ has kindly pointed out a typo I made. --MichaelMaggs 19:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

NavFrame[edit]

Hey Dschwen! I hope you have a minute to spare. I've been messing around with collapsible divs for awhile now and I'm beginning to see why en.wp uses tables instead... I can't customize it nor make it look good. See my comment on MediaWiki talk:NavFrame.js. Maybe all that's needed is a little tweaking to the code, but I fail when it comes to JS. Thanks! Rocket000 15:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Will look at it on monday. I'm on vaccation right now (DC). --Dschwen 04:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Did you have a chance to look at it yet? :) Rocket000 23:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Duplicated Coor dms and Location[edit]

I noticed duplicated Coor dms and Location entries in some images (see Image:Heilshoop large.jpg as example). Is it possible to fix such duplication with bot? May be wee need to deprecate {{Coor}} and sisters? --EugeneZelenko 15:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, coord should be deprecated (I thought we already did that by erasing all mentions of that template). We could remove/replace it using a bot. In case of double coord and location use we could always keep the newer location template, or check whether the coords are within a few meters of each other (otherwise warn for manual resolution). There might also be some cases where objects in the picture are referenced with coord, so an automatic replacement might be dangerous. --Dschwen 18:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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Apparently there is a baby bot running around reverting things. The operator might be in need of special treatment. -- carol (tomes) 08:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

What's that? I've been away for the last week. Anything I missed? --Dschwen 12:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems to be over now -- I actually left this message for anyone who might have been following me around reverting what I did more than for you. I chuckle some when I suspect that this all goes back to that recent quoting of a movie in one of the FP Nominations. Well, that is my recent experiences talking and nothing that I actually know. It is very easy to look at and find the noise in a photograph, figure out where it came from and the technical aspects of it. There is other noise though and not as much information about the technical aspects of that. I had to really really remove my "self" from the situation and think about it and I don't think that there was (quite literally) "technically" much that they could grab at to make it work like that -- in my head. Snap shot cameras are much safer to look at the output from. Enough of the reminesing (spelling wrong, I don't care) -- carol (tomes) 12:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, he made a request that I be blocked and is again reverting this. Could you look through the history at QIC, verify that what I did was correct or inform me of how I got it wrong and help me stop what is going on there? -- carol (tomes) 13:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hell, you can see that he was following me around reverting my edits in the log of this talk page. -- carol (tomes) 13:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

QICBot[edit]

I tried to skip this page and go right to QICBots talk page. It would be nice if the bot would stop when it finds ==Critical Review==. It is unusual to have a gallery in the page lower quarters though -- I could convert it to a table and it would probably serve my purposes. I was surprised when the bot found the gallery there and then I was surprised when it didn't like my <small/> tags.

You wanna know whatelse is weird, sometimes the ~~~~ works. It makes the news that this was a change at metawiki a little unbelievable for me. -- carol (tomes) 14:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Well lets's just test it here:
Hmm, I find it unlikely that it can sometimes work. Computers are supposed to be predictable ;-). And do you mean = Consensual review = ? Yeah, I could have the bot stop there. --Dschwen 14:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Heh, doesn't critical review make some sense though?
The way the javascript works, the way to work with it is kind of simple. There has been times that my name has gone into the gallery template the way it does elsewhere. Plenty of times I have pasted it as well. Usually, it is with the first edit and it is inconsistent. It has happened often enough that I have recently a few times wondered 'will that weird thing work' and it does. It could be (perhaps) a person playing with the javascript as well -- if the javascript knows a few of the names; what did you call it 'robust signatures'? I found it interesting that the javascript only choked on the european letters in the 'robust signatures'. -- carol (tomes) 15:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
That wasn't the javascript having problems with the european characters in the nicks, that was QICBot all of a sudden having problems reading user names. Kind of interesting now in hindsight. -- carol (tomes) 16:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

EXIF_BOT[edit]

EXIF_BOT needs to check whether images are already geocoded.[5] Nice work! Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm, it does indeed check for existing Location templates. If it finds them, it just inserts a suggestion which should be manually compared to the existing geocoding. This seems to hit you as the user with the most GPS EXIF coded and Location coded images. Sorry! I guess I could add an automatic check which compares the difference of Location and EXIF and only warns if the deviate by more than a few meters... --Dschwen 19:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and I appologize for adding more EXIF-bot suggestions. I now started working on a comparison of coordinates. It would still be neat to establish the alt: property... --Dschwen 20:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
No apology is called for; it is splendid work! The suggestions don't do any harm. By alt: property, do you mean the elevation above mean sea level? Is that an undocumented parameter of {{Location dec}} that I should be adding? Also, is there a place to put the datasource, e.g., Garmin GPSmap 60CSx. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 02:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Bei meinen Images sorgt noch ein Problem mit Groß-/Kleinschreibung für doppelte locations. Auf den ersten Blick scheint mir folgende Zeile im script dafür verantwortlich:

       # already contains a Location
       if string.find(text, '{{Location' ) >= 0 :

Beispiele aus meiner Beobachtungsliste: Image:Heiterwanger_See.jpg, Image:Gipfelkreuz_Vorderskopf.jpg, Image:Bayrischzell_1.jpg, Image:Seebergkopf.jpg.--kogo 18:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Mpf, so ein depperter Fehler. Na ja, nun sind die knapp dreitausend Bilder mit GPS Tags alle durchgelaufen. --Dschwen 19:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh?[edit]

What was the motivation for this edit? Lupo 20:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Frustration mit dem UploadForm. Es gab keine Moeglichkeit das Ding komplett abzuschalten. Es hat sich immernoch reingemogelt (mit Helptext und einem zweiten HotCat). Ausserdem hat es zu einer merklichen Verzoegerung im Konqueror gefuehrt. Das Gadget behauptet in der beschreibung dem User das alte Upload Formular zu geben. Nach dem Edit tut es das auch. Also, nix gegen das neue Formular, aber ich habe eigenes JS welches mir das Formular mit einem vorausgefuellten Template versieht, das ging alles nicht mehr. --Dschwen 21:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Es behauptet, das alte Layout zu geben. Mehr nicht. Und wieso zweites HotCat? Seh' ich nicht. Schade, mit Deinem Edit hast Du nun sämtliche Überprüfungen auch im alten Layout gleich für alle Benutzer ausgeschaltet. Ich bin versucht, den Bettel hinzuschmeissen und den ganzen Kram wieder wegzulöschen, wenn ich sowas sehe. Lupo 21:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, jetzt mal immer mit der Ruhe. Also erstmal sorry, da hab ich das Gadget einfach anders interpretiert. Lass uns lieber mal zusammen nach einer Loesung suchen. --Dschwen 21:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Wie waers mit
JSconfig.registerKey('UploadForm_loadform', true, 'Use new upload form logic:', 9);
JSconfig.registerKey('UploadForm_usebasic', true,'Use new form layout:', 9);
Dann braucht man kein Gadget um eine einfache Einstellung zu aendern. Dafuer war JSConfig ja auch gedacht. Die Werte muesste man dann nur ueberpruefen. --Dschwen 21:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Schon besser. Immerhin wird so nicht gleich das Ganze für alle im basic mode abgeschaltet. Ich habe in UploadForm.js allerding noch einen Test eingebaut, ob JSconfig überhaupt vorhanden ist. User:Mike.lifeguard möchte das Script evtl. einmal nach Wikibooks übernehmen, und ich weiss gerade nicht, ob die dort JSconfig auch haben.
Die Grundidee bei UploadForm.js war, dass neue Benutzer nicht gleich auf die "unsafe" Forms umschalten können. Das Script erlaubt dies nur für autoconfirmed Accounts. Mit diesen JSConfig settings ist es nun auch brandneuen Accounts möglich, die ganzen Checks auszuschalten. Na ja, der typische drive-by Uploader wird sich seine Preferences ja wohl kaum anschauen. Jedoch hättest Du evtl. Dein Problem auch einfach mit "&uploadformstyle=plain" (statt basic) umgehen können. (Ist in der Doku erwähnt.) Im übrigen habe ich eine weitere Konfigurationsvariable UploadForm_autofill hinzugefügt. Wenn diese false ist, wird im basic mode das Description-Feld nicht mehr gesetzt, womit ein evtl. durch andere Scripts gesetzter Inhalt erhalten bleiben sollte.
Das Gadget von Bryan würde ich trotzdem stehen lassen. Es würde die Benutzer wohl nur verwirren, wenn wir dies nun schon wieder entfernen würden.
Ich bin aber immer noch über Deine Bemerkung, HotCat sei doppelt geladen worden, irritiert. Ich dachte, importScript verhindert das? Und zudem hat HotCat noch einen Test, der doppelte Aktivierung verhindern soll? Was war da passiert? (WebKit scheint da evtl. ein paar Probleme zu haben. Vgl. [6].) Lupo 06:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Ja, stimmt. Doppelt geladen wird es wohl nicht sein. Aber es erscheint eine Zweite Kategorienleiste, und ein doppelter satz (+/-) links. Ich schau mal, ob ich das irgendwie eingrenzen kann. --Dschwen 19:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... verwendet der Gadget-Loader importScript? Wohl kaum. Dann kann es schon doppelt geladen werden, einmal als Gadget, und einmal via importScript. Und beide Male wird ein addOnloadHook ausgeführt... Allerdings müsste das bei mir auch passieren, und ich habe auf FF, Safari, IE, Opera nur eine Category-Zeile. Klappt da etwas mit dem Aktivierungstest in HotCat nicht auf Konqueror? Lupo 20:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
D'Oh, ich dachte MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js importet einfach MediaWiki:HotCat.js aber es ist ja genau anders herum! Da haette ich wohl nicht die HotCat-Doppel-Lade-Abfrage in UploadForm.js so leichtfertig entfernen sollen... --Dschwen 20:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Mal ganz davon abgesehen hatte ich eh schon vor einiger Zeit mal vorgeschlagen HotCat per defaut einzubinden. --Dschwen 20:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Bevor wir HotCat generell einbinden, müsste das Script für alle Skins angepasst werden. Z.Z. stimmt bei Cologne Blue etwas noch nicht, die Suggestions werden am falschen Ort angezeigt. Lupo 08:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)