# User talk:Erik Baas/2009

## Toch jammer

Toch jammer dat je bij de ned. wiki weg bent..... --MaanMeis (talk) 17:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, vind ik ook wel, maar het was niet vol te houden zoals het daar de laatste tijd toeging. Leuk dat je even langskomt, trouwens. :-) - Erik Baas (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

## Terugkomen

Kom je weer terug, alsjeblieft? http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Sterkebak --MaanMeis (talk) 12:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ik ben ontroerd, echt waar... En toch moet ik je teleurstellen, ik kom niet terug. Geen enkele hobby en/of nuttig gemeenschapsproject is zoveel dagelijkse ergernis waard. En nee, het ging niet alleen om die ene persoon die je nu noemt.
De laatste maanden (!) heb ik, door alle gedoe, trouwens toch al niet veel nuttigs meer bijgedragen, en wat ik kan kan een ander ook, dus Wikipedia zal zonder mij ook wel voortbestaan... ;-)
Sorry... - Erik Baas (talk) 00:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: [KNUFFEL]

Maar niemand is zo direct (athans...) en oer als jij. Een voorbeeld voor velen dunkt me. Natuurlijk neem ik die [KNUFFEL]in ontvangst:ik dank u hartelijk daarvoor. Ik vind dat je daar gemist wordt. Misschien kom ik ooit weer langs om de vraag te stellen. (Als je op de fiets zit, al genietend van de zonnestralen die op je hoofd de warmte geven.) --MaanMeis (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

:-) - Erik Baas (talk) 21:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

## Town Bridge

Can I ask what's wrong with the picture? Anto475 (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

It is out of focus, and the camera was tilted. - Erik Baas (talk) 18:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

That's actually how the bridge looks at night from where i was standing Anto475 (talk) 11:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

## Image:White Bikini.jpg and Image:White bikini.jpg

Those images were previously already cropped about as far as they could be with lossless image manipulation tools, while preserving all meaningful non-margin non-border pixels. Your decision to further crop them with lossy image manipulation tools, thereby degrading their quality by means of inevitable generation loss was rather unfortunate, since it goes against Wikimedia Commons best practices, not to mention the etiquette of dealing with photographs which are not your own. I really don't see why having ten pixels of image margin for an image over 2,500 pixels wide is such a heinous sin calling for urgent drastic measures anyway... AnonMoos (talk) 11:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

You did not remove the border, as was requested: one image still has a black border of 1px surrounded by 4px of white, the other one 1px black + 2 px white. I used as little compression as possible, so there's no argument about the quality of the image. So: either you remove the entire border of both images with your "with lossless image manipulation tools", or I will revert them to my version. And, about "dealing with photographs which are not your own": that's what we're all doing, all of the time; what's your point ? - Erik Baas (talk) 21:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately you don't seem to know as much about the relevant technical details of the JPEG image format as you seem to think; the Template:Remove border tag (which you yourself added to the image) clearly states "If cropping a JPEG, consider using a lossless cropping tool such as jpegtran", and this advice is reinforced on the linked page Commons:Media_for_cleanup#Images_with_unnecessary_borders. To educate youself on the need for such tools, and why turning up the "quality" setting in your graphics editor does nothing to avoid generation loss (and can sometimes make it worse), you can look at the Wikipedia articles on the JPEG format, the jpeglib library, and generation loss. Furthermore, I really really do not understand at all what is so earth-shatteringly hideous about 5 pixels of border on a 2,750 pixels wide image!?!? AnonMoos (talk) 12:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
You did a lousy job by not removing the entire border, and you are defending it ever since; you even seem to be proud of yourself, your knowledge and your tools. But the fact remains that parts of the border are still there: either you fix it, or I will; it's that simple. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Dude, I did about as good a job as could be done using lossless image manipulation tools while preserving all non-margin pixels, as I already clearly explained back in my edit summary of 01:28, 11 December 2008. If you were to actually download a lossless image manipulation tool (such as Jpegcrop) and try it out for yourself, then you would understand what I mean. However, if you insist on altering these files using LOSSY image manipulation tools, then Wikimedia Commons etiquette would suggest that you upload using different filenames (i.e. NOT overwriting the previous image versions). AnonMoos (talk) 09:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Please, both of you, be civil and polite to one another. Just do as Mike.lifeguard requests.[1] Use the other_versions field of {{Information}} to cross-link the versions with and without the border and include some words about the border and lossless cropping in the description. Erik Baas, AnonMoos is correct in his assertion that lossless cropping is distinct from "using as little compression as possible". AnonMoos, in many instances it matters little and isn't worth hurting another editor's feelings over. At Commons:Media_for_cleanup#Images_with_unnecessary_borders, using a lossless cropping tool is a suggestion, not a requirement. A lossless tool may be used to removed the border entirely albeit with a bit of the picture edge; that alternative seems not to have been discussed. Whatever you decide, cease edit warring and be civil and polite. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Done. - Erik Baas (talk) 12:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

## Don't give up

Don't worry about the lack of a response on Commons talk:MediaMoveBot/CheckPage from the looks of things an admin hasn't been on the page since mid November, so no one who could add you to the list saw your message. Just continue to do what you are doing, and if the same admin confirms enough of your renames they'll probably add you to the list even without seeing your message.KTo288 (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. But I don't like being kept in the dark for so long, and I'm certainly not going to beg... - Erik Baas (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Just keep up the good work, what comes will come.KTo288 (talk) 08:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunatly, I'm not an admin on Commons, so I can't add you to the list of trusted users... I just came here to suggest you to apply for this status. In fact, I often see your name when I approve renaming requests. Keep on the good work. --Pymouss Tchatcher - 09:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

## File:Sparvag2.jpg

Rotate? I dont understand.--Ankara (talk) 19:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Marku1988 has already fixed it; please compare [2] and [3], and you will see the difference. ;-) - Erik Baas (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Ok. I get it. Thanks, take care! --Ankara (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

## File:Dick Von Armano1.JPG

Olá Erick, I want to delete 3 image in duplicate File:Dick Von Armano1.JPG, File:Dick Von Armano2.JPG and File:Dick Von Armano3.JPG the name correct is Dick Von Armino please help me. Thanks Jurema Oliveira (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The images with incorrect titles have a "duplicate" template now, so they will be deleted within the next day or so. I'll check again if the right ones are marked this time... ;-) - Erik Baas (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

## File:BMW Z-1

Thank you, Erik, for the rapid help. I did not know how to do the new upload. OnkelFordTaunus (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

## Vraag

Hee Erik, alles goed met jou? Groet, Wutsje (talk) 21:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Ja hoor, prima, afgezien van wat lichte ontwenningsverschijnselen...  ;-) Leuk dat je even langs komt; met jou ook alles goed ? - Erik Baas (talk) 01:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Ach, z'n gangetje. Je kent nl:wiki hè. :-)   Wutsje (talk) 23:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Ja, dat ken ik nog wel, van vroeger... Er is dus niks veranderd ? Heb me wel eens afgevraagd hoe mensen het daar volhouden; ik zou allang afgehaakt hebben. Eh, huh ? Oh ja, oeps... ;-) - Erik Baas (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

## Pikiwikisrael

Hi, All files uploaded by User:Pikiwikisrael are part of meta:Wikimedia Israel free image collection project. Please leave them as they are for the time being. I will provide more technical details as soon as possible. Drork (talk) 10:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem, of course. That is, if you take care of providing useful filenames and descriptions A.S.A.P. - Erik Baas (talk) 00:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

## File:BSicon_vBHFe.svg & File:BSicon_vBHFa.svg

Hello, just a thought: could the and icons be replaced with respectively orientated versions of ? In my opinion the Muiderpoort-style is way better than the current V-shape-with-double-ball. --Tve4 (talk) 19:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to do with this one; please take a look at User_talk:Wiebevl#File:BSicon_BHF_Muiderpoort.svg, as I'm sure Wiebevl and/or Axpde will know. - Erik Baas (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
done Wiebevl (talk) 14:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

## File:Degersheim Protestanta Preghejo (Foto Dietrich Michael Weidmann).jpg

Why do you ask for rename a file uploaded by me? Your rename proposal is just change the Esperanto-name by the name in English! This could be understood as linguistic discrimination. It makes also no sense as the picture is already used in different language versions under the actual name and your renaming would cause only unnecessary needs of changes and corrections in all this versions. And why non-english speakers should so easily submit to tha language imperialsimen of the English speaking community? Greatings DidiWeidmann (talk) 22:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

An English name will be understood by almost everybody, but not one in Esperanto. Besides, it's rather rediculous to put your own name in the title. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This is just a chauvinistic argument for English as universal language: 95% of humanity do not understand English of cours 99% do not understand Esperanto - but that makes a difference from only 5% - in this case we should name all the files in mandarin which is spoken by two times more people than English ...DidiWeidmann (talk) 23:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Chauvinistic ? I don't think so.. I'm Dutch. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Of cours not you ar chauvinistic - but the argument! Probabebly you are just nout aware about the fact, that English is some thing like a killer langugage which kills other languages ... every week one small language disapears in our days from our planet. This is the consequence by using big national languages like French and English for the international communication insteed of a neutral language which belongs to every body. Also it is very difficult for not English native speakers to express themeselfs at an equal level in English. You can just see that on the numbers of mistakes I make in such a small English text. If we use an neutral language like Esperanto, we would be on the same level. DidiWeidmann (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You're right, but using Esperanto is a rather impractical solution, here and now. As would using Mandarin be... - Erik Baas (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
It is not so impractical because on the first hand the files I upload I use before all in the Esperanto-Vikipedio. I put them now on commons (and not only in the Esperanto version of Wikipedia) that they can be also used in other language projects. I accept that the categories on commons are named in English and not in German or even Dutch, but in which language we name the files at the end does not really matter. Almost you could give the correct translation of the file title without ever have learned Esperanto: That prouves that you are able to understand the title. And 80% of Esperanto can be understood by English speaking people without great pain. Personally I am convinced that in long terms Esperanto will be the universal language (thinking in 30 or 50 years of course) but also Wikipedia is not a project for short time but for long time. And as already said: Rename the file would imperatively aks for correct all the text on the individual language versions of Wikipedia which use the file. If not those texts would suddenly remain without pictures! And it would for me also not be very easy to name the pictures in English as I would not like to have mistakes in the file name. So if not every body is allowed to name the pictures in his own language or any language this will excloude 95% from humanity to upload pictures on Commons! - For me the consequence would be that I would upload the pictures in future only to Esperanto-Vikipedia and there would not be anymore at the disposition of commons! DidiWeidmann (talk) 23:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
1. I did not understand the title (nor did I try), I merely read the description. :-p
2. If you had not put your own name in the title, I might not even have noticed. [HINT]
3. A slight mistake in a filename is usually not much of a problem: it can be renamed if necessary, but in most cases even that doesn't happen, because nobody cares...
4. Renaming an image can be done without problems, and changing the links on various wikipedia's (just one at this moment !) will be done by a bot. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Last point is the most important (all the rest is more a philosophical discussion as the file names do not really matter. (My name a started to add after I found one of my pictures reproduced without source-indication in a local newspaper ... despite of the rule that reproduction of GNU pictures is only alowed with this indication ...)

## Tip: Categorizing images

Hello, Erik Baas!

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations"). Pro-tip: The CommonSense tool can help you find the best category for your image.

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 05:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

## Images

Hi, what are you doing to my imagines? I'm adding my name becaouse lot of people copy it withtout cite me as author--$\mathfrak{L}$ord $\mathfrak{H}$idelan 23:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

what is a watermark? you are deleting a lot of infos. you are doing a bad work: sistem the mistakes --$\mathfrak{L}$ord $\mathfrak{H}$idelan 23:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I quote: "The usage of watermarks is discouraged according to policy." - Erik Baas (talk) 23:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
It is descuraged, not stopped. --$\mathfrak{L}$ord $\mathfrak{H}$idelan 00:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I put a {{watermark}} on images with a watermark, and revert the ones you added a watermark to later on. Most of the original versions are of a better quality anyway. - Erik Baas (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
What about {{location}} i added? reinsert it. --$\mathfrak{L}$ord $\mathfrak{H}$idelan 00:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
As far as I know, you added a location template to 5 6 images, and they are still there: I never removed anything. I'll check again, however... - Erik Baas (talk) 00:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

## Parallel railways

Ik zie dat je de categorit hebt uitgebreid bij een aantal iconen, wist niet dat Category:Icons for railway descriptions/parallel railways een aparte categorie is. Ik zal er op letten. Wiebevl (talk) 10:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ja, we zijn "Icons for railway descriptions" nog wat verder aan het opsplitsen; met ruim 900 symbolen werd het wat te vol, ik kon er ook niks meer in terugvinden... ;-) Nieuw zijn b.v. ook "/tunnel" en "/mixed", zie de categorytree bovenaan mijn GP voor de hele lijst. N.B.: Sommige cats, zoals "/set blue", hebben nog weer subcats. - Erik Baas (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

## Crop request on image of RS Colin Archer

Hi. I noticed that you added an crop-template to File:RS 1 Colin Archer.jpg. Its already cropped as much as possible without removing parts of the boat depicted. The image quality is poor, but considering its age (116 years), we have to accept that its not gonna be perfect anyway (IMO). Unless you hav any objections, I will remove the template. Regards Aldebaran (talk) 05:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm, I'd really like to see the black line and the white space at the top to be removed. - Erik Baas (talk) 10:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, I see what you mean. I have removed a few pixels from the height. Is it acceptable now? Regards --Aldebaran (talk) 12:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it looks a lot better now, thank you. - Erik Baas (talk) 13:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

## Curious

You placed an {{underexposed}} template on File:Pipestone Historic District.jpg, surprising me — what would it look like if it were better exposed? I'm not a photography person, so I don't quite understand what differences of amounts of exposure would look like. Nyttend (talk) 14:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an expert either, but I think it will look better with some level correction (especially gamma). - Erik Baas (talk) 14:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

## File:BSicon uSBHF1.svg

[[File:BSicon uSBHF1.svg|right|30px]]

Hi Erik,

'd like to get rid of this icon, 'cause it doesn't make any sense (a heavy rail station on a light rail track). Actually, there are only two articles in nl-WP using this icon: nl:Forchbahn and nl:Calandlijn. What icons do you think are needed to replace them? axpdeHello! 14:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

You're right, this one is weird... I don't know why they chose it, although it does seem intentional at nl:Calandlijn (station "Alexander"). Could be replaced by uSHST or uSBHF, I suppose... - Erik Baas (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

## Creative Commons

Hi Erik,

could you please help me translating the CC license to nederlands? You just have to exchange some words in Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0-de/nl ... my nederlands isn't good enough for this, I regret :( axpdeHello! 11:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. - Erik Baas (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Dank u wel! :) axpdeHello! 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

## Your edit to File:Waldorf-Astoria 1904-1908.jpg

As noted in the description, this image is maintained for recordkeeping purposes as the unrestored version of an image that is featured on a sister project. I discovered a bad edit and reverted the other day, posting a summary of the problem to one of our Commons admin boards. Please review image data before making/restoring radical edits to our site's images. Thank you. Durova (talk) 04:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know, and you can't expect me to read all text on every image description page... If this is so important, you should find a better way to make it obvious to anyone visiting the page. Anyway, it's protected now. And: sorry. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
This is the standard way that archival versions are documented for restored featured pictures, although I have added additional notes at the 'other versions' line. Is there a reason you reverted 4 hours and 35 minutes after I restored the original version, without attempting to contact me? I had already opened a thread about the problem on an administrative noticeboard. Radical edits to fine artwork are becoming a problem at this site. Durova (talk) 23:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The reason is - of course - that previous version looked better. I don't see why I should contact you before doing anything... And how could I have known about this noticboard ? I mean, why didn't you tell me about that, two days in advance ? Pfft... - Erik Baas (talk) 23:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, actually I didn't notice the change had been reverted until two days later. It came as quite a surprise. We don't actually have any guideline or policy about documenting restorations and edits, and someone suggested it would be a good idea to develop one. You seem to have meant well and so did I. Durova (talk) 00:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

OK. - Erik Baas (talk) 00:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

## Unnecessary renaming

Please stop tagging my image for renaming. As per Commons:Rename, renaming should only take place or specific reasons: correct misleading names, change meaningless names, change meaningless bio-names into binominal scientific names and harmonize file names. This does not fall into any of these criteria. The name is quite meaningful and not misleading - it gives the name of the photographer (myself), the date it was taken and the subject. There is no rule in Commons preventing me from naming images in this way. I have given further reasons why I do this at User:Tivedshambo/Image info, which is linked from the image page. If you continue to tag images without discussion, I will bring this up at COM:ANB – Tivedshambo (talk) 20:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it's rediculous to put your own name in the image title. Who cares, except you ?? - Erik Baas (talk)
P.S.: I've read this "/Image info", and I couldn't help noticing it's all about you. What about the project, the community, etc. ?:-( - Erik Baas (talk) 23:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

## BS Summit and triangle icons

Just a note to say that despite our recent disagreement, thanks for improving/reducing the summit and triangle icons etc. Keep up the good work! – Tivedshambo (talk) 23:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. - Erik Baas (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

## SVG

• I have the image with .png, but this uses .svg, so I tried to change it into .svg. The new .svg images can be uesd in my computer, but after uploading toWIKIMEDIA COMMONS, they became broken, can you tell me the cause???

I'm a Taiwanese student, so I couldn't understand what you said in my User talk:Liaon98, can you ues Chinese???--Liaon98 (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, no Chinese spoken here... ;-)
Besides, I already explained what went wrong (and how to fix it) here. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
• @@ But I can't understand what you said, and the case I'd faced is what???--Liaon98 (talk) 15:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I can't give you a better explanation, sorry. Please try to find help on Chinese wikipedia or wikibooks. - Erik Baas (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

## Your unconstructive and obstructive behavior

Since you didn't have the simple courtesy or common decency to make any reply or acknowledgement to my extended remarks at (Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#anti-border_fanaticism_considered_harmful), your renewed insistence on overwriting the "white bikini" images with lower quality versions is frankly not too far removed from simple trolling. AnonMoos (talk) 14:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Your remarks were about me, not addressed to me, so I didn't think a reply was necessary. Furthermore: I did exactly what was advised: saved both versions of both files with and without borders; what more do you want ?? - Erik Baas (talk)
After you reverted my work, there are two versions with borders of File:White bikini.jpg‎ ; WHY ???? - Erik Baas (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Dude, what is it about DO NOT OVERWITE THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE'S IMAGES WITH LOWER QUALITY VERSIONS that you fail to understand, after I've already told you that so many times???? If you want to upload your own lower-quality image versions, then you can do so under a different name (as you've always been free to do), but do not overwrite the originals. I really wonder why you sometimes seem to set about to do things in the way that will create the greatest amount of controversy -- instead of doing something else which accomplishes the same functional goal, and will take the about the same amount of effort on your part, but will cause a lot less trouble with other people. AnonMoos (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
You'r wrong about this "lower quality", the images look just perfect. Besides, you don't seem to understand the line Where borders are desired they should be added with wikimarkup or code. And I wonder why you are such a fanatic about these two images, while dozens of other images are being cropped every day ?? Do you have some sort of private interest in them, outside of wikipedia ?? - Erik Baas (talk) 14:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Whatever -- they may "look fine" to your naked eye, but due to the nature of the JPEG file format, they have undergone irreversible en:generation loss, which should not be incurred without a good reason. Meanwhile, if you want to debate the policy issues, please do so at, Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#anti-border_fanaticism_considered_harmful (as you should have done in the first place). Meanwhile, my interest in those images is not seeing my work in carefully cropping them losslessly (as I do to a fair number of JPEG images) be carelessly undone. Meanwhile, "setting about to do things in the way that will create the greatest amount of controversy" is not too different from "trolling". AnonMoos (talk) 14:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

### Picking up the pieces

Since "wb" can just as well mean "without border" as "with border", I will download your lossy-manipulated image versions and re-upload them to your new image names. However, since my connection speed with my current set-up is not among the speediest, and I won't be giving it absolute priority over all other tasks, it could therefore take me up to an hour or two. After I upload the the lossy versions to the new names, I will regard any further overwriting of the originals with lossy-manipulated versions as plain unadulterated vandalism, pure and simple, and will report it accordingly... AnonMoos (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

### Your edit summary

We had an edit conflict; it happens all the time on Wikipedia. From my point of view, you deleted my entire comment: [4], but I didn't add snarky commentary in my subsequent edit summaries... AnonMoos (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe it was an edit conflict, since wikimedia always warns when that happens. Besides: you did it again', this time moving my lines... :-( DO NOT EDIT MY COMMENTS ! - Erik Baas (talk) 15:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Dude, the WikiMedia software often signals edit conflicts, but sometimes it just doesn't -- welcome to the real world of Wikipedia. Meanwhile, none of my comments are in reply to your comment of "14:22" (whose existence I didn't even know about when I saved my comment of "14:26"). AnonMoos (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Now stop wasting my time. - Erik Baas (talk) 15:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
When you stop violating policies in pursuit of picayune goals, then you'll stop wasting everybody's time. Sometimes doing the right thing ends up creating a lot fewer difficulties than the alternatives. AnonMoos (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

## BSicon multiple uploader

Hi, Erik Baas, in this page, first time to write to you. Regarding a Japanese BSicon uploader whom you left a message in his page never talks in user talk pages, neither in JA. Is there any way to stop him uploading in commons? I told him several times to stop (or wait) uploading without discussion nor announcements. We are trying to agree on the procedure of uploading and naming, however, he ignores and making new IDs by him alone. hKRZ+BSar, KRZh+BSa, and more. I am suspecting he is simply unable to understand what is discussion. Would you tell me a nice way? I am exhausted at him. Maxima m (talk) 06:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

He never understands English. He ignored the alert on Category:Icons for railway descriptions/Bilderkatalog. Maxima m (talk) 06:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

He is quite ... well ... "inventive". Some of his icons are reasonably named, but some rather questionable, e.g. File:BSicon leer+ha.svg and alike ... :( axpdeHello! 12:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to intrude here, but you could ask User:Miya, a Japanese administrator for help, or post on COM:AN/U. {{Rename media}} makes renaming files fairly straightforward. Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanx a lot, Walter. I will talk to him, maybe in commons. Maxima m (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

## KRW icons

Hello, Erik. We BSicon users in JAWP found KRWl and alike, which you uploaded to commons, so useful. We think it is you that named them KRWxx (abbreviated from a Dutch word?), so, would you tell us your idea for the suitable names of counterparting icons such as 20px and 20px? I do not want to bring confusions between such pair, though we are joking that some Japanese abbreviations KAB (kābu) or KYS (kyokusen), both for "curve", might be OK :-) Or were they KRWs named by someone else? Maxima m (talk) 02:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

You'd better ask user Axpde. I don't know, and I don't really care anymore. I've spent many hours creating icons, and now they are deleted one after another, for no good reason. Ask Axpde about that too, while you're at it. Oh yes, and please also ask him why he doesn't answer my questions. So... :-( - Erik Baas (talk) 19:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, Erik, which questions didn't I answer? The last thing I remember talking about was your proposal for a smooth triangle connection. I haven't had a sensible idea to name them and so the diskussion fell asleep ...
And yes, I nominated some of your icons on my crusade to clean up the whole BS-system. Now I think I made up an easy and consistent naming scheme, and now I working hard to change any occurance ... I'd really like to stay in contact! axpdeHello! 21:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Erik, do not be so desperate on BSicons, though I deeply express my sympathy on it. Would you tell me (or us in JAWP), at least, what the ID "KRW" is derived from? Otherwise, we will be at a loss to name them. --Maxima m (talk) 01:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know. - Erik Baas (talk) 07:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, I see now you are refusing to answer any BSicon issues. Let us in JAWP give IDs of icons counterparting KRW in our own way. Still hoping your return in near future. --Maxima m (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't use the word "refusing"; I just DON'T KNOW !! - Erik Baas (talk) 22:00, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

## Duplicates

Hi Erik. In the category Duplicates we currently have around 200 duplicates with railway icons. Since the old ones are sometimes used 100+ times I want to ask you to please check through them if the replacement and thus the edition of several 1000 pages throughout the WMF-projects is really necessary in all cases. After all I can remember that it is not that long ago that those icons where cleaned up by you (I did much of the CommonsDelinker-commands back then). -- Cecil (talk) 20:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Most icons in Category:Icons for railway descriptions/obsolete have been tagged {{bad name}} by me. Some names are irritating, some of those are simply wrong, mixing up names (upper case letters), prefixes and suffixes (both lower case). I have already checked and changed icons on several hundred pages worldwide and I will keep on doing so until the chaos we are faced at the moment is fixed! axpdeHello! 21:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't manipulate the text of others. I don't react well to other people changing MY discussion contributions and I consider it as vandalism -- Cecil (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I didn't "manipulate your text", I changed the heading! axpdeHello! 00:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
The heading was part of my text or do you think some fairie put it there? -- Cecil (talk) 01:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Headlines are usually layout structures and not part of someones opinion! axpdeHello! 01:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Also "bad name" still means "duplicate". All images with this template get sorted into the category:Duplicates and are treated as such. This is just an extra template for people who have uploaded an images, noticed an error and reuploaded the image. That's not the case here.
And I have explicitly asked Eric for his opinion as you can see from the two starting words of this discussion. If I had wanted your opinion I would have asked for it. -- Cecil (talk) 22:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you should have asked me first, esp. before insulting me like you did on my user_talk page!
And there is no single word about "for people who have uploaded an images, noticed an error and reuploaded the image" on {{Bad name}}! axpdeHello! 00:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
If you call that insulting you don't know anything about insults or you simply can't stand the truth. But on the other side there are people how can't handle critism at all. And before starting to use deletion templates, maybe you should start reading the guidelines for deletions. Then you would have found out which template is for what. -- Cecil (talk) 01:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
The truth is that you don't know anything about what I've done in the last months and blame me in a way that is unworthy for an admin! axpdeHello! 01:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Erik. I still would like to have your opinion or actions on that case, despite someone else trying to answer my request to you. I hope this time he will respect that this is a question for you. -- Cecil (talk) 02:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

## It is not necessary to run into a hysterics on another's page of discussion

That style which you write, on my page of discussion is not necessary. Please, write capitals at itself on page.--AndreyA (talk) 03:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

### Template BS etc.

It is transferred with User talk:AndreyA#Template BS etc.
STOP messing with my templates, and don't edit my talk archives ! :-( - Erik Baas (talk) 21:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If you want to introduce a new template, then give it a NEW name, and don't mess with existing templates!! - Erik Baas (talk) 21:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I wait for your comments when you will pass in an adequate condition--AndreyA (talk) 04:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Sad but true, but in a way it's my fault that Erik reacts upset. I snubbed him by shooting down parts of his good work, and now you changed his template without announcing before ... axpdeHello! 08:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

### Motion

In my opinion, you consider this name personal, and I on the ten basis iwiki consider that BS is the unified name. Respecting your opinion I as usually, has made disambig, but you try to wage war of recoils that shows weakness of your position. Let's discuss this question in a forum in English.--AndreyA (talk) 04:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The reason why you did this is logical, but the way how was wrong. axpdeHello! 08:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
"Let's discuss this question" ? Right, that's what you should have started with, instead of totally changing the function of a template that has existed for over a year, and was in use on various pages (not just my user page !). - Erik Baas (talk) 20:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
You the participant with very considerable contribution on Commons. My contribution is not less and I do not pursue the purpose with you to clash. If you have a way to return to the end of March 2009 at me such possibility is not present. I consider that how I have made, it will be much better.--AndreyA (talk) 08:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
"Better"? As in "several pages look like SHIT since you changed this templates" ? :( - Erik Baas (talk) 22:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Increase a space on 1 before the remarks.--AndreyA (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Please, answer. If you do not answer, I will be compelled to transfer to this theme your messages on my page to activate you.--AndreyA (talk) 05:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

And now, hopefully for the last time: CHOOSE A DIFFERENT NAME FOR YOUR NEW TEMPLATE !! - Erik Baas (talk) 22:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Rename template BS in all projects.--AndreyA (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Please, answer. If you do not answer, I will be compelled to transfer to this theme your messages on my page to activate you.--AndreyA (talk) 05:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
1. No idea what yo mean by "compelled to transfer to this theme your messages on my page to activate you".
2. I already told you not to destroy my user page and some others by changing the contents of both templates.
3. You must choose a different name for your template, is that so hard to understand ? - Erik Baas (talk) 11:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

## File:Skinnarviksberget 2008b.jpg

Ich habe gesehen, dass du mein Bild verändert und beschnitten hast. Das war nicht so gut, denn es sollte ein exaktes Bildpaar mit diesem Bild ergeben: File:Skinnarviksberget 1966.jpg. Ich habe nun eine neue Version hochgeladen (File:Skinnarviksberget 2008c.jpg). Bitte nicht verändern, sonst verschwindet der ganze Witz mit meinem Artikel hier: [5]. Besser vorher fragen. Gruss --Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

??? English (or Dutch) please... - Erik Baas (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

## Rupsha Bridge series renaming

While going through the incomplete media requests backlog, I noticed the series of images you nominated for renaming (example). Two questions; is the rename really necessary, and have you consulted with the creator? Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 10:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

1: Yes, I think it's necessary, and a large number of other files already have been renamed because the creator put their name in the title.
2: No, should I ? Why ? Quote: "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License", etc. - Erik Baas (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
If there`s a precedent, I'll tag them now. As you point out, the release license doesn't specify that we have to notify the creator, I just consider it a courtesy; it also means that I won't have a confused person knocking on my door asking why their image was moved. Also, if they are informed of the policy now, it will save us having to move any other innapropriately named images he or she may upload at a later date. Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
There we go, I've just finished moving all 39(!) of those pictures into the move category. I'm not sure when the bot will run, but they'll be taken care of when it does. May I also suggest that you add (or re-add) your name to Commons:MediaMoveBot/CheckPage?Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 15:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, and: no, thanks. ;-) - Erik Baas (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

## File renaming

Please stop tagging photos for renaming without discussion. I put my username into photographs for a very good reason - to ensure they have a unique filename. For example, you have tagged File:Duchess of Hamilton - Tivedshambo 2006-06-05.jpg to be ranemd as Duchess of Hamilton.jpg. There are at least a dozen files of this subject, and with the current interest in it this is likely to grow. Therefore, having a unique name is important. – Tivedshambo (talk) 05:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

1. There is no file named File:Duchess of Hamilton.jpg, so the filename is unique
2. A filename should describe the contents of the picture, not the name of the photographer or the date the picture was taken
3. All files containing a username in the title will be renamed, see for example File:Günther Uecker by Lothar Wolleh.jpg and File:Günther Uecker.jpg (I could give you dozens more if I had the time)
- Erik Baas (talk) 22:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Please show me somnewhere where it states a filename should not contain the name of the contributor before tagging any more of my files. The fact that you may have tagged other images (without informing the owners I notice) does not mean it has community consensus. See Commons:Rename - files should only be renamed where strictly necessary. I've tried to assume as much good faith as I can with your edits, but if you continue to tag my images I will have no option but to report your actions. – Tivedshambo (talk) 06:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
You just should not put your own name in the filename. It's not necessary, it's confusing, and quite rediculous as well. To explain even further: when I see a file called "Tivedshambo" I expect to see a picture of a "Tivedshambo" (whatever that may be...) - Erik Baas (talk) 23:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but as you seem intent on making changes without gaining any form of consensus, I have had to report your actions to the administror's noticeboard. – Tivedshambo (talk) 22:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Erik, your input in the discussion on the administrator's noticeboard would be useful. Please share your opinion so that we can come to an agreement on how to handle this. ~MDD4696 00:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing me, I just wrote my opinions on the matter. Again... [SIGH] - Erik Baas (talk) 00:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
A tivedshambo is of course a en:Hambo from en:Tiveden. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

## File:BSicon vSTR-.svg

Hi Erik,

those v-type BSicons are normally not of my concern, I changed File:BSicon vSTR-.svg to File:BSicon xvSTR.svg, which was adjusted by user:Wiebevl to match the d-type BSicons. The first icon was used only three times, the latter one 60 times, although I think your name was the better choice ... but I don't wanne interfere within the parallel lines. Bye axpdeHello! 19:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)