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Sarajevo tram or bus[edit]

That is a picture of a tram photographed on Sarajevo Cathedral tram station (line 1). Here is one picture of probably same tram as on this image with side-mounted display. I am not familiar with types of trams, but can you please add more info if you know about this tram type. --Smooth_O (talk) 20:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Rename ✓ Done, thanks.    FDMS  4    20:38, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

File 8 is delete[edit]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cd._de_M%C3%A9xico_Collagek2.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.143.62.117 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 27 April 2014‎ (UTC)

DR already started, everything fine.    FDMS  4    14:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Villino Ruggeri[edit]

The site says:

Copyright © Mary Ann Sullivan. I have photographed (on site), scanned, and manipulated all the images on these pages. Please feel free to use them for personal or educational purposes. (I would appreciate being told if you find them useful.) They are not available for commercial purposes without my explicit permission. This is the site.

Honestly, I don't understand why you think it's to be canceled. --Lagrande (talk) 15:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Please have a look at COM:Licensing (Media licensed under non-commercial only licenses are not accepted either.) and maybe COM:Commercial use.    FDMS  4    15:53, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
And please feel free to ask the copyright holder to send permission to OTRS.    FDMS  4    15:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Renaming "Section of the N. Tomb and Columns of Beni Ḥasan (1885) - TIMEA.jpg[edit]

Dear FDMS4, of course, I renamed the file replacing the under dotted "H" on my HD as you are telling. The problem is that I discovered this workaround after an hour of investigation on the file (corruption, broken download, etc). I guess any other graphic user will face the same problem, with time consuming. Another problem was with the rotating bot, apparently this bot was blocked by this character in the name, for this I had to rotate it manually and discovered the problem. Even while a user needs to type the name (i.e. searching) will encounter difficult finding the under dotted "H" on his keyboard, he must fisrt knowing that u.d."H" is used and then opening the character map to copy/paste it. I would like preventing persistence of this sneaky problem. Please, review your opinion. :) -- Fulvio 314 07:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid there is no consensus for removing "difficult" letters from filenames, if there was we would have to rename thousands of files with cyrillic or arabic letters in their filenames (do they cause problems to you as well?). However, have a look at Special:Search/Section of the N. Tomb and Columns of Beni Hasan, you will notice that MediaWiki fortunately doesn't require users to use these difficult letters when searching for files.
You are right, search works fine, but I'm not convinced about keeping underdotted H for this particular case: when we are dealing with cyrillic/arabic filenames we are aware of foreign alphabetic writing system, here we have an english filename with a "mimic" foreign letter mixed in it. I would like more a coherent letter content, applying transliteration. Yes, arabic and cyrillic filenames give me an error opening them with The Gimp, but they are easily identified as I told before. -- Fulvio 314 19:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I've done some research and found out that en:Beni Ḥasan is not even a redirect, according to de.WP Beni Ḥasan is a mix of the translated first name and the original last name (otherwise it would be Banī Ḥasan). According to en.WP Beni Hasan, Bani Hasan and Beni-Hassan are the only correct English names, therefore I will perform your rename request per criterion #5. Have a nice evening!    FDMS  4    19:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Despite my bad english, you were able to understand my thought! Thank you. -- Fulvio 314 05:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Bildervernichter??[edit]

Hallo Florian,

du hast verschiedene Bilder von mir zur Vernichtung vorgeschlagen (ein paar sind sogar schon weg, keine 12 h danach.... ***krkrk***)

Bravo, das war prima unkonstruktiv. Wie ich an den anderen Beiträgen in dieser Diskussion nachlesen kann, scheint das ja ein Hobby von Dir zu sein.

Nein, Du hast Falsch gedacht, der Flickr account gehört ebenfalls mir, und ich werde die dortigen Fotos NICHT für sonstwas-Lizenzen frei geben. Absichtlich lade ich hier eine kleinere Version der Fotos hoch, und nicht die Originale.

Aber wie Du an den hier hochgeladenen Fotos gesehen haben solltest: sie waren ganz klar markiert, dass sie von Inhaber der Verwertungsrechte hochgeladen wurden. (= mir selbst). Warum zweifelst Du dann aran?

Willst Du mir jetzt verbieten, dass ich diese auch anderswo hochlade? Darf ich dann etwa nicht mehr anderswo meine eigenen Fotos (die Originale) verwenden? Wäre es nicht vielleicht auch eine gute Idee gewesen, einfach mal zu fragen, statt diese zu löschen???

Mach Dir mal bitte die Arbeit und untagg die Fotos von mir, die Du entsprechend zur Löschung vorgeschlagen hast. Versuch bitte auch mal, die bereits "verschwundenen" wieder zu retten.

Danke, ich habe dazu heute nämlich keine Zeit (und auch keine Lust), weil ich durch den Busch rennen werde, um "Motten" zu sammeln & Fotos zu schiessen. Greetz vom Tonton user:Tonton Bernardo

Für eine detailierte Antwort bitte ich dich noch etwas zu warten, ich kann dich aber beruhigen dass alle gelöschten Medien problemlos wiederhergestellt werden können.    FDMS  4    15:48, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
== ist im Grunde egal, Florian==

Florian, nichts für ungut, aber spare Dir ruhig die Arbeit. Da ich mich nicht mehr an Wikipedia beteiligen werde, die anderen Fotos schon raus sind, und ich wohl auch die restlichen dann (nach Deinem Vorbild) auch ausflaggen werde. Ich habe mich ja schon (auf eigenen Antrag !) bei D-wikipedia sperren lassen, danach noch bei F-wikipedia, da mir dort auch irgendeiner anfing der von nichts Ahnung hatte, und seinen Lebensabend durch rumfuschen gestalteten wollte.

Danach habe ich mich eine Zeitlang auf E-wikipedia konzentriert, dort dann meine Beiträge zu Madagascar eingestellt, als dort auch so ein Heini auftauchte. Gut jetzt mache ich halt ganz Schluss. Hat ja gar keinen Sinn. Es sind zu einfach zuviele, die keine Ahnung von den Thematiken haben, aber unbedingt die Finger reinstecken müssen (statt sich auf die eigenen Themen zu konzentrieren, oder gar Inhalte zu schaffen.

Liebe Grüsse nach dem Ösiländle & auch nach Wien. user:Tonton Bernardo

Deletion request for File:Screenshot web Wikimedia Argentina.png[edit]

Hi, thank you for notifying me of this nomination. The image does not portray any non-pd images. We use this file for reporting on WMAR activities. Can you specify what exactly is wrong with this image, or how can we improve it, in order to keep it? Thanks! María Cruz (WMAR) (talk) 17:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, this image is not in the Public Domain, and you did not attribute its author. If you know who the author of the other prominent photograph is and attribute him in the author field of the {{information}} template as well everything will be fine and I will remove the request for deletion.    FDMS  4    19:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor[edit]

Hi FDMS4,

I'm talking to the VisualEditor team about adding better support for {{int:functions}}, like you added here. Can you look at this bug report and tell me if you used the same method that I use for adding these, or if you've got a new method? I'm trying to better understand how people are using VisualEditor. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Your username makes it difficult to verify you are not a troll, but now I've managed to find out who you are :) . I personally don't see a need for a special feature for int:s, changing or fixing one of them currently is and should be as easy or difficult as changing a template. I added {{int:filedesc}} via Insert → Template. Please let me know if you need any further feedback – or for now, maybe you have an answer to some questions I have? For example, why can I edit a categoryspace page, but not a commonsspace page or talkpage? And, why does VisualEditor capitalise all template names (like {{watermark}} in your diff)? Thanks in advance,    FDMS  4    19:31, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
They configure VisualEditor to only work on certain namespaces. They never enable it for talk pages, because it doesn't know how to sign posts. They probably skipped the Commons: namespace because it's used for some discussions (like deletion requests). If contributors at Commons wanted it to be enabled on more namespaces, then we need a discussion showing that people support that, and an e-mail message or Bugzilla request to the product manager to tell him what the community here wants. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): Shall I open bugs for a) capitalisation of template code and b) enabling saving via Enter or are there already related bugs or even patches to review?    FDMS  4    11:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there's any point in filing a bug for (a), because as far as the file system is concerned, all files really do have their first characters capitalized on this wiki, so VisualEditor is adding the "correct" capitalization. (It adds whatever the file system gives it.)
The other was Bugzilla38042 which was implemented and then reversed because of the complaints at Bugzilla40034. However, the keyboard shortcuts discussed at Bugzilla50897 might work just as well for you. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply! In a) I was referring to the fact that it is currently impossible to add the exact code {{watermark}} to filedesc pages. Thanks for the interesting links to bugs in b), is there a complete list of keyboard shortcuts anywhere on MediaWiki.org?    FDMS  4    22:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
There's a list inside VisualEditor, which moved recently and is supposed to be under the help circle icon, which looks a bit like "(?)". However, I believe it's manually created and therefore likely to be a bit out of date at any point in time. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

"U-Bahnhof"-Weiterleitungen[edit]

Hallo, könntest du bitte "U-Bahnhof"-Weiterleitungen zumindest so lange nicht zur Löschung vorschlagen (sondern als Weiterleitungen behalten), wie nicht alle U-Bahn-Stationen so umbenannt sind? Ich habe wenig Lust, beim Kategorisieren auswendig wissen zu müssen, was schon umbenannt ist und was nicht. Ich werde jetzt einige wieder erstellen. Danke! darkweasel94 09:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Tut mir leid, HotCat (oder cat-a-lot) hätte ich mittlerweile wirklich bedenken können. Zum Glück waren es nur drei Kategorien.    FDMS  4    09:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

thank you for accepting my request, I wish to be helpful and reduce backlog, regards --Ibrahim.ID (talk) 11:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome :) . As promised, I followed community consensus.    FDMS  4    11:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Replied[edit]

I replied on my talk page. --Pine 20:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I found the source for this image and ordered a new review. Unfortunately, this uploader does not give an online link for his many uploads. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 03:07, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Theme icon (CFD)[edit]

Hallo FDMS4,

Betreff Deines Reverts (und dem Kmt), generell sind für Projekt oder der Art Themengebiet identifizierende repräsentative Bildchen gewünscht, daher verstehe ich Deine relativ negative bzw. harte Kritik nicht ganz. Hohe Ansprüche bzw Kritik ist ja erst mal nichts negatives, daher die Nachfrage was denn so schlecht an denn Icon ist? Ich würde es demnach verbessern (dbzgl. ist bis jetzt auch kein Feedback gekommen). Ist es die Unklarheit, der hohe Kontrast, das Rot, die Detailliertheit? Grüße User: Perhelion14:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Schön dass du dich meldest, ich dachte ich spreche dich vielleicht im IRC darauf an. Als ich die Bearbeitung getätigt habe wusste ich noch nicht von deiner Änderung des CDF-Templates, dadurch ist das Icon natürlich wieder nicht "unnecessary". Ich fände das Icon passender, würdest du es auf die Version ohne Sprechblasen zurücksetzen, da es nicht in der PD ist muss allerdings auch immer ein Link bestehen …    FDMS  4    14:32, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

La Barbe[edit]

(Since you wrote to me, several messages (évidences of permissions by the authors)have been sent to permissions-commons-fr@wikimedia.or - one for each photo. We're waiting for the answers. Thank you Bests regards --Mocaya (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC) Bonjour, depuis que vous m'avez écrit, plusieurs messages de permissions (courriers de consentement) ont été envoyés à permissions-commons-fr@wikimedia.org par les auteurs des photos. Nous attendons les réponses et les tickets de la part de permissions-commons-fr@wikimedia.org . Merci de votre compréhension et de votre attention

       Bests regards     --Mocaya (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done by somebody else.    FDMS  4    06:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Ehrlich gesagt[edit]

Wenn ich das sehe, freue ich mich schon wieder, wenn die Schulferien aus sind, so dass die Jungs und Mädels wieder einer ernsthafteren Beschäftigung nachgehen können. -- Bwag (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Sowas, du scheinst das ganze Jahr über deine nicht gerade ernsthafte Beschäftigung in den Wikimedia-Projekten zu finden. Übrigens: Ich war gerade auf Urlaub, was ab Ende September (stell dir vor, der Bubi geht nicht mehr in die Schule, sondern auf die FH, so superintelligent ist der) seltener vorkommen wird.    FDMS  4    21:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Zur "Superintelligenz". Mag stimmen, aber Deine Superintelligenz schlägt sich sicherlich nicht bei Deiner Urteilskraft nieder. Beispielsweise schreibst Du: "du scheinst das ganze Jahr über deine nicht gerade ernsthafte Beschäftigung in den Wikimedia-Projekten zu finden." Wenn Du dies als "nicht gerade ernsthafte Beschäftigung" beurteilst, dann erübrigt sich wohl ein ernsthafter Dialog, weil sinnlos. -- Bwag (talk) 07:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Ich beurteile was ich wahrnehme, und auch wenn es schön ist dass du Medien beiträgst ist meine Bilanz deines Auffallens kaum eine positive, um das t-Wort zu vermeiden. Ist dein "Ehrlich gesagt"-Beitrag hier deiner Meinung nach ernsthaft/projektzielführend/sinnvoll?    FDMS  4    08:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

What else is needed for OTRS of 8 x ASV files[edit]

This is my first time using the OTRS system, and I need to ask for your help.

I have a set of 8 files that are covered by this, such as ASV Santa Claus solar observing at Star-Be-Cue.jpg The photographer (Perry Vlahos) does not have a WP account, so I am trying to get the photos up for him. I sent him the template email to forward to you, but I see that you have tagged it with "the message was not sufficient to confirm permission for this file." Unfortunately, Perry did not copy me on the email he sent, and I cannot see the OTRS system to see what email you received, so I need to ask you: what additional information do you need? --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Sorry it took me so long to reply. I asked Perry whether he also wanted to release the eight work he possibly forgot to mention and what attribution term her preferred. In case he is not going to send any further eMails to OTRS I can still tag six images with {{permissionOTRS}} (he misspelled the seventh).    FDMS  4    10:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
@FDMS4: - thanks for the reply. I did send Perry a completed template to forward to you, but not sure whether he did. His father was taken to hospital very ill in the middle of this process, and obviously that is where his attention is focused, so I ask for a little flexibility if possible. Is there anything I can do to help the process along, or do you need Perry's response? (I can only contact him by email too; he lives in a different state to me.) --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz: Yes, we have received the template, there is just one file missing and one misspelled. I personally would not want my eMail address to be part of the required attribution, that's why I've asked him whether or not he preferred a version without the address. Perry has 30 days to reply, if you think that's not enough, please just tell me. There is nothing else you could do at the moment :) .    FDMS  4    11:57, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks - I did not realize we had that long. Hopefully, that will be plenty of time to sort it out! --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Warning[edit]

Don't do like this again. This subcategory of category Sevastopol, that included in both Russian and Ucrainian categories via community consensus. If you continue edit warring your account may be blocked. Danke.--Soul Train (talk) 13:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

If you would like to add a Russian category (I'm not too familiar with these, just copied the Ukrainian category you removed), go ahead, but don't remove the Ukrainian one again. I would discourage you from making any threats, even if you get a little emotional.    FDMS  4    13:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello @Soul Train, your tone is rather hostile (block warning after a simple cat add), and I can't say I appreciate that. Remember that we're all volunteers and colleagues, and that Commons is a collaborative project and not a battleground. If you'd like to discuss, which I am happy to do, then I must insist that you please rephrase your statements in a polite, cordial way. If your reason is really then simply first the main Category:Sevastopol need to be fixed. Thanks, User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?)16:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't like when category of city of Russian glory including in category of Ukraine, state that now ruling by serious false accusation, rusofobs, and fans of Bandera, state that killing own citizens in Donbass and Lugansk, using cassete bombs and bombs with White phosphorus, state where you can be killed if you have another opinion... But I'll wait until your Western society understand the situation. Understand that all your sanctions means nothing. Crimea and Sevastopol are Russian territories, and nothing could change this. This template was a consensus, I don't like it (Crimea is not Ukrainian anymore), but everybody must respect this consensus.--Soul Train (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
You are using my talkpage to promote the political views of your country's mainstream media instead of discussing a change that after all you would like to make. As you are obviously not willing to talk about it in a constructive manner I am going to revert it, again referring you to Template:Crimea notice which clearly states [please] do not remove either of these [Russian and Ukrainian] categories. If you want Category:Coats of arms of Sevastopol to be in a Russian parent category as well, you will have to add it yourself.    FDMS  4    21:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
[reply] It is because I am opposed to the victim theory and because I know that there is nothing as cruel as the Holocaust in contemporary history that I do not tolerate any Nazi-calling (except for convicted criminals) on my talkpage.    FDMS  4    17:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Queen/Princess[edit]

Hello FDMS4, Beatrix of the Netherlands is nowadays again commonly being referred to as 'Princess' since her abdication in April 2013 (see en:Beatrix of the Netherlands and other wikis). This is a change compared to the situation in 2012, when the files that I requested to be renamed were uploaded. Best regards, Apdency (talk) 11:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but no, I won't rename them as a) this is not an obvious error and b) Commons aims to provide stable file names. This is a person who once had the status of a queen, and was therefore called Queen Beatrix. The situation would be different if the person was a former taxi driver, as using "Taxi driver [name] [situation, not driving a taxi]" could be misleading (criterion #3).    FDMS  4    16:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Addax3 (1).jpg[edit]

I'm not sure I understand why you declined the move/rename. The file was called Addax3 on the English Wikipedia. This conflicted with a different file on Commons, so someone transferred it as Addax3 (1). This name is inappropriate, as the (1) implies to many a duplicate/derivative version of Addax3 (which it's not). I believe it was called Addax3 on Wikipedia for the sole reason that Wikipedia already had two images of the Addax. I thought it might be best that we add something useful to the name. I'd use the geographic location except the uploader did not provide it and the uploader is now inactive. All we have now is the year. Therefore, the image, which displays an Addax in 2006, will have a meaningful name. All the best, Mackensen (talk) 21:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done, thank you very much for the detailled explanation! I added some more available detail to the filename.    FDMS  4    21:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Rename for some images you have uploaded[edit]

Hi FDMS4! first of all I would like to apologize for the things I have done before and I hope that we could set that all aside and start anew. To show goodfaith, I opened this topic to formally ask for your permission to rename some of your uploaded and reuploaded images regarding LRT-1, MRT-2, and MRT-3 into uniform names. Such rename is intended for the ease of usage when revising or creating a new article. With that I thank you and I would await your favorable reply. PhilippineRevolution (talk) 02:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I'm sorry, but no, I think that the two images I've uploaded (File:Magallanes interchange Makati 2008-09.jpg and File:Interior of Tatra RT8D5 in Manila 2006-05.jpg) already have "perfect" filenames.    FDMS  4    07:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi I understand maybe I would just ask the original uploaders Mitril Cloud and Exec8 if they would allow me for the rename. I guess they still have a say on their images being the original uploaders. But anyways thanks for replying.PhilippineRevolution (talk) 14:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I've had a closer look at your talk page comment and I noticed that you did not specify what the new names would look like. In case the reply is "I don't care about the filename", this would not be covered by criterion #1.    FDMS  4    15:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Indisputable filename[edit]

Hi, FDMS4. You rejected my reasonable proposal. But I believe that Commons must prefer indisputable filename to disputed filename. You can read File talk:Yang Kyoungjong.jpg. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but if the picture is commonly being associated with that person, having the name of the person as the filename is fine. On Commons, we don't have anything such as a WP:POV policy, just a filemoving criterion for obvious errors.    FDMS  4    16:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Interior of Tatra RT8D5 in Manila 2006-05.jpg[edit]

Commons-emblem-issue.svg File:Interior of Tatra RT8D5 in Manila 2006-05.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue.
Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


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Admin?[edit]

Do you have any interest in becoming an administrator here on Commons? We need more admins focusing on deletions. I can put up an RFA for you. Let me know. INeverCry 00:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh Gott, bewahre uns davor! Beispielsweise: [1] Bwag (talk) 04:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi INeverCry, thank you very much for your RFA offer! Unfortunately, I'm very busy at the moment, but I will take you up on it this fall or winter. @Bwag: These 5 images did not look like de minimis for me, but to be easily able to learn and expand one's knowledge is one of the great advantages of being comparatively young, right :) ?    FDMS  4    10:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Leave me a message or email me if and when you're ready. INeverCry 18:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Permission for File:König der Könige.jpg[edit]

Hello FDMS4,

What is the status of the permission for https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:K%C3%B6nig_der_K%C3%B6nige.jpg? --Holdek (talk) 15:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Holdek: Were you the one who asked this question in an eMail sent 3 days ago? If yes: Please check your spam folder, the eMail I have sent you on 2014-06-22 was:

Sehr geehrter recipient,

Entschuldigung dafür, dass Sie so lange auf eine Antwort warten mussten. Leider ist Ihre Freigabeerklärung weitergeleitet, optimal wäre würde sie von Herrn Mosbach direkt an permissions-commons-de@wikimedia.org gesendet werden, wofür es auch eine eigene Vorlage unter http://enwp.org/c:COM:ET gibt.

Vielen Dank für Ihren Aufwand!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Florian D. M. Stöger

   FDMS  4    10:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
No, I'm not the person who e-mailed you. I'm checking because the apparent lack of confirmed permission was one of the reasons I proposed the deletion of this page on English Wikipedia. --Holdek (talk) 09:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)