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Bidgee (talk) 02:22, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Fremantle Train line - should have been Fremantle railway line - as on wp en.... what a mess this place is - just looking at some of the western australia photos - what a lot of careless rubbish - cheers SatuSuro (talk) 11:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

ah huh will fix before heading out to Lou Whitemans place tomorrow Gnangarra 11:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I think i have solved my ant issue - all my nigricans are really desertorum... myrmacia - what a damned nuisance ant identification is... SatuSuro (talk) 11:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ants are easy get an old thong and a can of mortein problem solved. Gnangarra 11:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

what time were you planning... SatuSuro (talk) 11:31, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

late morning 10ish, got be on the kinder track by 1300 Gnangarra 11:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

hop over to fb to chat further.... :) SatuSuro (talk) 11:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

FP discussion

Thanks for closing and reviewing the FP licence discussion. It can't have been easy to do for a contentious issue and hope you don't get flak for it. I think your implementation, specifically mentioning GFDL 1.2 is absolutely in keeping with the proposal and I wouldn't have expected you to just simplify it to just GFDL without a little further discussion. I hope any discussion is straightforward. Cheers, Colin (talk) 11:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks, I just followed what the consensus was. Gnangarra 12:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, here comes a little flak. I was disappointed that you did not seem to understand the main counterargument expressed by myself and others. I believe you characterised us as saying that FP cannot rule out GFDL candidates unless Commons as a whole prohibits such uploads first. Several of us (at least Rd232, Slaunger, Martin Kraft, Saffron Blaze, and I) said quite clearly that FP should not do this, not could not. (To me the proposal seemed arbitrary, unfair, and divisive, but certainly not impossible.) You argued in your close that the strength of the arguments was more important than the number of votes, which (together with the fact that the majority didn't reach the 2/3 threshold usually accepted as indicating consensus) makes it even more critical that you understand the arguments being made. So I was disappointed by the misunderstanding apparent in your closing statement. I'm sorry to be critical, because I have a lot of respect for you and the work you do around here. I do agree this was a contentious issue and I admire your courage in stepping forward to close the discussion. --Avenue (talk) 14:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

For what its worth, I think the can/should distinction here to be splitting hairs. I interpet the closing comments as saying simply that the "should not" argument is particularly weak when it is well established that FP/QI can set non-image criteria that are stricter than policy. Few of the "should not" comments gave any reasons for it, which further weakens their argument. I find it most interesting that nearly all the opposes were on this done-at-policy vs done-at-FP-criteria technicality and there was very little defense of the GFDL 1.2 licence per se (indeed some strongly opposed to GFDL 1.2 license like Slaunger voted that way). Ultimately, a policy change may come and make this moot.

I don't see what is "arbitrary, unfair" about the criteria change, though there's no doubt the debate is divisive, as it will be when any policy change is discussed. Colin (talk) 14:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Colin, if you'd really like me to explain my thinking further, please drop me a note on my talk page. I'd rather not discuss it further here, as it might give the impression I continue to dispute Gnangarra's close, which I don't (see below). --Avenue (talk) 22:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Since I noticed my user name mentioned here, I would just like to state that I endorse and agree with the closure done by Gnangarra, and I wish also to thank Gnangarra for his decisiveness in the closure. Yes, there may have been a nuance, which has not been captured in the closing comment, but not a major issue for me. There may also be nuances which we will find along the way needs to be added, but let us address those cases as they appear. --Slaunger (talk) 18:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Having slept on it, I think I've generated unnecessary drama here, and I'd like to apologise for that. I still see the issue I raised above as more than a nuance, but I'm sure that the "straw man"-like mischaracterisation of it was unintentional. While I disagree with that aspect of the closure rationale, I think that the actual decision Gnangarra reached was fair, and my criticism here was unhelpfully disputatious. Sorry, Avenue (talk)

• I don't think you've generated any unnecessary drama. I am surprised that this was passed despite lacking a consensus and the closing arguments surmised that the closer's view is weightier than the sum of opposes --Muhammad (talk) 00:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• consensus isnt defined as 2/3rds nor is it the majority opinion, for the record 19 opposing votes out of 51 votes is only 37% which is within the descretionary range for rfa. Weight of arguments presented based on policy is also part of deciding consensus. I considered policy there is no specific policy that preculeds projects determining their own requirements, so then I considered accepted practice(policy by default). The long term accepted practice is that projects like FP, QI can make restrictions greater than that of the overall community participation requirements, FP already restricts who can vote, QI already restricts source, they both set minimum size limits. I also considered what FP is, FP is the means to identify "our best work" the proposal put forth the argument that our best work should also inculde best practice when it comes to licensing. The support argument was that GFDL is being deliberately misused to restrict reuse(not freely available), compared to the oppose arguments of acceptable license but that never addressed the issue of misuse. What I'm expressing is a carefully considered outcome based on the agruments put forth and that is our best work(FP) can and should excluded works where the deliberate misuse of licensing makes an image not freely available. Gnangarra 02:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Discussion cont at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Featured_picture_candidates#Closure_response --Muhammad (talk) 06:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• Gnangarra, I'm happy that we've very wise and matured admins like you. -- Jkadavoor (Jee) (talk) 00:00, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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• • • gone - as far as i can tell SatuSuro (talk) 11:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Gnangarra/K5

Please correct your Template User:Gnangarra/K5 ->

[[Category:CC-BY-2.5-AU|{{PAGENAME}}]]

--NeverDoING (talk) 17:17, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done Gnangarra 23:36, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

File:Rocky bay gnangarra-1.jpg

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Your review of File:Roetelpelikan-Zoo-Gelsenkirchen-2012-05.jpg

Thanks for your circumstantial review of my photo File:Roetelpelikan-Zoo-Gelsenkirchen-2012-05.jpg. Nonetheless I am not 100% sure what's your point. Do you think another crop (detail of the area around the mouth) could be a QI? If yes, it would be great if you made a suggestion by using the note tool. Thanks! --Tuxyso (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Quality Image Promotion

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File:Kwinana nth como train gnangarra.ogg

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question

Hi Gnangarra, I'd like to ask you please about this? I mean why did you do it? You are the one who started this project, then why did you leave? Thank you. 67.169.11.214 00:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

very complicated, in a general sense conditions set, communications received and issues that made me see that participation was not worth the potential for damage to my reputation... I'm happy to discuss privately but not publicly feel free to email me. Gnangarra 01:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Metropolis Fremantle

Do you have any photos of Metropolis Fremantle, to be added to article on Dalkeith Opera House. 117.120.18.131 02:15, 17 May 2013 (UTC)