User talk:Jacklee/Archive: Image issues (2012)

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Painting description

Can you help improve the description in these two images and possibily change their titles to sound more professional? File:The Jubilee Celebration in Westminster Abbey, June 21, 1887 by William Ewart Lockhart.jpg and File:The Jubilee Celebration in Westminster Abbey, June 21, 1887 by William Ewart Lockhart (black and white).jpg.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:16, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, sure. — Cheers, JackLee talk 07:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
✓ Done! — Cheers, JackLee talk 12:03, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Could you do File:Teriitaria or Ariapaia (Teri’i tari’a II Ari’i' paea), Queen of Huahine, Augt 30th 1849 (Society Islands) by Admiral Sir Edward Gennys Fanshawe,.jpg too?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, but what's the file name again? The above name is a red link. — Cheers, JackLee talk 10:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
✓ Done! — Cheers, JackLee talk 11:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Tehaapapa

Can you help me rename File:Tehaapapa II, late 19th century 4.jpg to File:Tehaapapa II, late 19th century.jpg and File:Tehaapapa III, late 19th century 5.jpg to File:Tehaapapa III, late 19th century.jpg? The person seems unable to understand or he can't rename over existing links. Thanks!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have the right privileges to rename over existing links either. I suggest you contact Jameslwoodward for assistance. — Cheers, JackLee talk 00:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful edits to Category:Freedom of speech

Thank you for your helpful edits to Category:Freedom of speech. You may be interested in Commons:Village_pump#Category:Freedom_of_speech_-_Crosswiki_Sister_Link_project_coordination. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 06:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Demonstrations and protests

Good day. Did you order the move of media in Category:Protest costumes to Category:Costumes at demonstrations and protests, and if so why? Thanks, -- Infrogmation (talk) 16:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I listed it for renaming along with other categories, because "Category:Demonstrations" and "Category:Protests" have been merged into "Category:Demonstrations and protests". — Cheers, JackLee talk 18:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, I asked because this move changed the meaning of the category. I think close to half the photos in the category are NOT at demonstrations or protests; they are people at parties and parades wearing costumes with some political/satirical content. Had you noticed that? Any suggestions what to do now? Thanks, Infrogmation (talk) 22:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
No, I hadn't noticed that because "Category:Protest costumes" was a subcategory of "Category:Protests". I suggest that people wearing costumes with political or satirical content unrelated to demonstrations and protests should be transferred to "Category:Costumes with political themes". — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Please look into this DR

I still believe that an image with no author, No proof of publication, No date of creation will not enter in PD..Please see Commons:Deletion_requests/File:ഭാരത_വിലാസം_സഭ.jpg--...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 15:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Opinion

Hi, Jacklee. We need your help. What's your opinion on Commons talk:Freedom of panorama#Turkey ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 03:09, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 07:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Move requests

Hi. Please, use the direct request at User:CommonsDelinker/commands only for such requests which are simple uncontroversial corrections or fully consensual changes. For potentially controversial or complicated changes, use rather {{move}} template or {{Cfd}} request to enable a discussion of your proposal and to improve it. Thank you. --ŠJů (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Which of my requests are controversial? — Cheers, JackLee talk 09:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Categories of victims, fatalities, deaths

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In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!


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--ŠJů (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. — Cheers, JackLee talk 00:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

FoP in Turkey

HI, Jacklee. Could you control this edit ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The matter seems to have been resolved by Clindberg. — Cheers, JackLee talk 07:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Category:Reactions against terrorism in Germany

Although there are only images related with Reactions against terrorism of PKK in this category at present, "reactions of terrorism in Germany" does not always mean that of PKK. PKK didn't get the patent of terrorism :) I've created the category in accordance with Category:Reactions against terrorism in Spain. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

In that case, I'll create a suitable subcategory. — Cheers, JackLee talk 16:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Is Category:Body under construction still?

I noticed that you added {{underconstruction}} to Category:Body back in December and was wondering if it is still under construction. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 11:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is, I'm afraid. I got diverted by other stuff and haven't got around to working on it for a bit. — Cheers, JackLee talk 14:26, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Ah, okay, thanks. I just ran across the template and was wondering if it was stale or not, since it's easy to forget to remove them. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 01:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for your help with Cupea llavea file. --JLPC (talk) 11:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome. — Cheers, JackLee talk 13:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Torches and torch relays

Hi Jacklee, could you shine your light on Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/06/Category:2012 Summer Olympics torches ? Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 18:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: flickr problem

yes indeed I had trouble, but you can delete yours (File:Signatura d'Emili Teixidor i Viladecàs.jpg) because I already uploaded it by hand (which was in fact easier... File:Signatura Emili Teixidor.jpg). Thank you for your hard work, I appreciaty your help very much. :-) --Arnaugir (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah. You should have removed the renaming request. I think my version has more complete information and also seems to be slightly larger, so if you don't mind I will tag yours for deletion as a duplicate. If you originally used the Flickr upload tool, please note that it takes some time to work. Therefore, even though it seems to have failed, if you wait a few minutes and reload the file, it should appear. — Cheers, JackLee talk 18:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Your recats of UDD Protests

Your recategorisation of the 2010 UDD protests have caused many of these categories to be suddenly orphaned and unfindable because you did not follow up on your edits and forgot to create the main categories. I have reverted most of your edits of these categories as they also did not add any improvement to the present categorisation. - Takeaway (talk) 20:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

You have also created parallel categories, and then emptied out the original categories but without following up on your actions by having the original category either deleted or changed in to a redirect. Perhaps you should look up how categorisation actually works in wikimedia before attempting another try. Your past edits just leave too many loose ends. You forget to finish creating categories and you forget deleting or redirecting others. - Takeaway (talk) 03:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I didn't overlook them. I listed them for renaming at "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands", and they are currently being processed. If you have any queries about when the process will be completed (which should be in about a day), check with the administrator Foroa, who dealt with the renaming requests. I'd appreciate it if you revert your changes, as these are necessary to bring the categories in line with the structure of "Category:Demonstrations and protests". — Cheers, JackLee talk 09:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Are you sure that this rename is really correct and precise: "Category:2010 UDD protests" to "Category:2010 Thai political protests"? Have there been no other political protests in 2010 that the UDD can now claim to be the only protester that year in Thailand? Counter protests by the PAD for instance? Or totally unrelated issues of farmers in a rural area protesting against corrupt officials? I know that the English WP article is also called 2010 Thai political protests but I have personally found that very title more journalistic than accurate per the aforementioned reasons.
  • I understand the new categories that contain "Demonstrations and protests" to be indeed more in line with the present Commons naming convention, and, as you have seen, I have let these stand and created redirects to them. But it would be more precise in my opinion, to keep the category system as it is now (meaning the present hybrid of your categorisation and the previous system), because for instance, your suggestion to have "Category:UDD protest Bangkok 2010-05-13" changed into "Category:Protest by the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship in Bangkok (13 May 2010)" creates unwieldy long names. It is not only a long name, it is also not in line with the naming conventions that you want to adhere to because if totally in line, it would have to be "Category:Demonstrations and protest by the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship in Bangkok (13 May 2010)", or even worse, "Category:Demonstrations and protest by the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship, Thailand, in Bangkok (13 May 2010)".
  • I saw that you have also recategorised Category:Demonstrations and protests in Thailand from Category:Events in Thailand into Category:Political events in Thailand today. In my opinion, this is not correct. Category:Demonstrations and protests in Germany for instance, is categorised into Category:Events in Germany due to the fact that there are subcategories that are not political in nature. The same goes for Category:Demonstrations and protests in France. This too is categorised directly into "Events in France", and not into "Political events in France". - Takeaway (talk) 12:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I apologise for being gruff in my earliest comments here on your page. All I saw was that your recats had led to many categories having been put in to non-existing, not yet created categories and parallel categories which were half empty or completely empty left to exist. One of the tasks that I have taken upon me here on Wikimedia, is to correct these half-hearted attempts at categorisation. I did not think to look at your rename requests because nothing on those pages or their talkpages alerted me to do so. But as you see, I also do not fully agree with your renaming and recats of the media. How shall we resolve this issue? - Takeaway (talk) 12:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Takeaway:
  • I requested that "Category:2010 UDD protests" be moved to "Category:2010 Thai political protests" to bring it in line with "en:2010 Thai political protests". At the English Wikipedia, "en:2010 UDD protests" is a redirect to "2010 Thai political protests", so I assume that is the most appropriate name for the category.
  • In my view, only categories that contain different demonstrations and protests need to be called "Demonstrations and protests in ...". If a category relates to a specific demonstration or protest, then it can either be called "Demonstration ..." or "Protest ...". Since "Category:UDD protest Bangkok 2010-05-13" or "Category:Protest by the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship in Bangkok (13 May 2010)" is a subcategory of "2010 Thai political protests", it isn't entirely necessary to mention that the protest takes place in Thailand again. Also, I think it is generally a good idea to avoid abbreviations like "UDD" in category names unless they are widely known as they may be familiar to some people but not to others. Finally, it does not seem to be the general practice to use dates in the form "2010-05-13" in category names.
  • I place subcategories in the most relevant category available. In the case of Thailand, since "Category:Political events in Thailand" exists, this is the most relevant category. The reason why I didn't do the same for "Demonstrations and protests in France" and "Demonstrations and protests in Germany" is because I didn't realize that "Category:Political events in France" and "Category:Political events in Germany" existed. If a "Political events ..." category does not exist, I haven't been creating it specifically. Instead, I put the subcategory into "Events in ..." and "Politics of ...". — Cheers, JackLee talk 14:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • No problem. Yes, you should check "User:CommonsDelinker/commands" and "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" to see if categories have been nominated for renaming. Well, if you really don't agree with the proposed names, ask Foroa not to proceed with the renaming on the affected categories (please let me know which ones they are), and we can start a discussion on the talk page of one of those categories and ask users like Foroa and Túrelio who do a lot of category naming and renaming to comment.
— Cheers, JackLee talk 14:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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I should mention I'm about to leave for an overseas trip in about three hours, so it may take me a bit longer to respond to messages. — Cheers, JackLee talk 14:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I have contacted Foroa with this message. I will also be travelling abroad this coming Tuesday. I hope to be sufficiently recovered from jetlag around the weekend. I don't think we should rush this issue. I am just as much concerned in having well thought-out categories as you are. As for the use of abbreviations for political parties and organisations: abbreviations are commonly used for subcategories here in Wikipedia. The full names tends to be only used for the main category concerning the party/organisation. See for instance Category:Christlich Demokratische Union Deutschlands, for which the abbreviation "CDU" would hardly be a household name worldwide either. On the system used for dating these categories, I initiated that system to ensure that these categories will appear in correct order in their main category. I am not sure if using, for example, "12 March" and "6 June", will also result in a correctly ordered list. Good travels! - Takeaway (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, to make such categories sort properly I add a sorting key like "2012-06-23". I think it's fine to use dates in this format as sorting keys as they aren't "visible" to users when viewing the category name, but using them in the category name itself looks rather unsightly. — Cheers, JackLee talk 17:35, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't really thinking about the aesthetics of category names when I made these categories while in a hotel that was under siege every evening while I was there. ;-) - Takeaway (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Demonstrations_and_protests_against_transport_in_the_Basque_Autonomous_Community

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In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!


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Joxemai (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

BSicons

You removed my contribution to this talk without any discussion. Why? -- Tuválkin 17:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Although it's called "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands", that isn't really a talk page. It's a page for listing categories for renaming and for requesting file replacements. After updating the warnings, I archived your comments at "User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/2011-2012 archive". I think if you want to discuss anything about CommonsDelinker you need to post your messages at "User talk:Siebrand" ("User talk:CommonsDelinker" redirects there). — Cheers, JackLee talk 17:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks fo explaining it all to me and for archiving my comments. I’m taking them to Siebrand’s, then. :-) -- Tuválkin 14:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Sure, no worries. — Cheers, JackLee talk 18:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

about image file name

File:Pengjiaqiao Station, Beijing, China - 20120823-01.jpg and File:Pengjiaqiao Station, Beijing, China - 20120823-02.jpg first they in the beijing rd but is nanchang beijing rd..... you can see my other file .--Qa003qa003 (talk) 15:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, is this a station which is part of the Nanchang Rail Transit? If so, I will rename the files. — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
yes!this station just in the beijing RD so dont add "beijing" in file name!--Qa003qa003 (talk) 06:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Pictogram voting keep.svg Fixed. — Cheers, JackLee talk 09:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyright violation

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Hi

I received an email stating that the image I uploaded violates copyright. This edit has been done by you. This is an image I took when I visited Singapore.

I am curious to know why this is considered a violation. Please see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:R_Shanmuga_Sundaram&diff=0&oldid=76593764 for details.

Regards/Shan R Shanmuga Sundaram (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Shan. You own the copyright in the photographs you took, but the photographs are of artworks and texts which you do not own the copyrights to. Thus, the photographs are "derivative works" of those artworks and texts. In order to have the photographs in the Commons, we would need evidence that the copyright owners of the artworks and texts have agreed to license the copyrights in those artworks under a licence like {{Cc-zero}} or {{Cc-by-3.0}}. Your photographs of statues are fine because three-dimensional artworks which are permanently located in public places can be reproduced without breaching the copyrights in them. This is called "freedom of panorama". Unfortunately, in Singapore, freedom of panorama does not extend to two-dimensional artworks such as drawings and paintings, or to literary works like passages of text. — Cheers, JackLee talk 13:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Erzdiakon_Thomas.jpg - Notification of discussion

A discussion is progressing on the village pump, Please participate if you are interested (Wall paintings)--...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 05:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the discussion has been closed. — Cheers, JackLee talk 09:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it was AGF--...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 18:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Cats Inflammation and Neoplasms

Hello Jacklee! Why did you remove the category "Diseases and disorders" from the categories Inflammation and Neoplasms? I think the cat "Symptoms" should better be removed from Inflammation. And the cat "Diseases and disorders by name" fits better for single diseases with a special name then for the big group of neoplasms. What do you think? Greetings from munich!--Hellerhoff (talk) 14:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi! As "Category:Diseases and disorders" is the main category, as many categories and files as possible should be moved into subcategories. Inflammation is a symptom of many different diseases and disorders, so it rightly belongs in "Category:Symptoms". As for "Neoplasms", it is such a broad term that I thought the best place for it was under "Category:Diseases and disorders by name". That category contains other subcategories like "Category:Infarction" which are also quite broad. I am happy to reconsider that decision if you feel another subcategory is more appropriate. However, I don't think it should remain in the main category, which should be reserved for high-level subcategories. — Cheers, JackLee talk 16:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi again! I'm not sure whether inflammation is good categorized just as a syptom, and I thought it should be in the main cat to be found by browsing the tree. And I'm not the only one to think, that Neoplasms belong in the main cat. See here. Maybe the cat Category:Diseases and disorders by name should be better specified to contain only single Diseases and disorders. (Still raining here :-) --Hellerhoff (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Nominations

You'd better inform the author instead of the messenger. Could you inform him? Multichill (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah, good point. Will do so. — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:34, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Octagonal footed gold cup from the Belitung shipwreck, ArtScience Museum, Singapore - 20110319.jpg

Commons-emblem-issue.svg File:Octagonal footed gold cup from the Belitung shipwreck, ArtScience Museum, Singapore - 20110319.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue.
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Marekich (talk) 10:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Information about Lilium

Hi.

Where do you get the information that says that Lilium candidum is a synonym to Lilium regale? You made this move: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Lilium_regale_-_20100702.jpg&action=history

The Plant List says not!

Thanks 138.227.189.9 18:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The renaming was requested by Uleli on 19 July 2011. If you disagree with the renaming you should take up the matter with Uleli. — Cheers, JackLee talk 21:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
My apologies! I will take up the matter with Uleli.
Best regards C T Johansson (talk) 11:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
No worries! Good luck. — Cheers, JackLee talk 11:35, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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No FOP

Not sure what happened, but File:Студентам и преподавателям Политеха, погибшим в ВОВ, Одесса.jpg is still there although the discussion page says it was deleted. --Elitre (talk) 10:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I think there was a similar case a while ago – it's some kind of technical error. I suggest you post a message about it at "Commons:Village pump". — Cheers, JackLee talk 19:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Just looked at the file again. No, it doesn't look like a technical error. I think you should ask about it at the Village Pump. — Cheers, JackLee talk 19:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Commons talk:Abuse filter

Hello,

I don't know what you wanted to do, but this is not the right place: [1]. I reverted you. Regards, Yann (talk) 18:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

It was the right place to put that message. I was trying to edit "User:CommonsDelinker/commands/filemovers" by adding the text which I mentioned, but I encountered an error message. What do I need to do to add the text? — Cheers, JackLee talk 18:57, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
The way the abuse filter is set up for that page, the only edits filemovers are permitted to make are to add new lines consisting of universal replace requests. Adding the text you mentioned does not fall into the category, so it got caught by the filter. (By the way, FWIW I would also support if you decided to run for adminship, as INC above.) -- King of ♠ 10:36, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah, OK. It's no biggie. Not sure if I should apply for adminship at this time. I'm uncertain whether I have time to exercise administrative functions. — Cheers, JackLee talk 12:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Your comment at MovecatBot page

Please post my message there following yours since lately my account's been temporarily precluded from editing that page. (You'll probably need to mention my user details there, hence>>> User:Orrling (talk.) Thanks. Message is as follows:


Rename Category:Memorial merchant mariner whose place of burial is unknown to Category:Memorial to the Merchant Mariners whose place of burial is unknown (0 entries moved, 0 to go) Orrlingtalk 00:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Good point, but nothing that can yield anything new for this issue: this – the above requested title – is just the very name in Hebrew :-) (אנדרטה לחיילי הצי הסוחר שמקום קבורתם לא נודע = literally, simply and purely "Memorial to the Merchant Mariners whose place of burial is unknown"). So the caps is required. I don't quite see actually how this one hasn't yet been moved. Orrlingtalk 01:01, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
I'll mention your comment there. — Cheers, JackLee talk 16:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Your edits on User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands

Hallo Jacklee,

with adding your requests and deleting mine regarding dove/pigeon categories you changed Category:Stained glass windows of doves from pigeons back to doves. In accident? I changed back to Category:Pigeons on stained glass windows. If there was a reason for it: Category:Pigeons and Doves on stained glass windows would be ok with me, too. But I have to disagree with Category:Doves on stained glass windows as mentioned in Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/11/Category:Pigeons in art. Best regards, PigeonIP (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice you had changed Doves to Pigeons. — Cheers, JackLee talk 06:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday greetings

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and the best new year!
Vera (talk), December 2012

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Thanks! Best wishes of the Christmas season to you too! — Cheers, JackLee talk 03:59, 13 December 2012 (UTC)