User talk:Jameslwoodward

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My formal name is James L. Woodward, but I prefer to be called "Jim"

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MicahJohnson.jpg

Hi Jim: Thank you for at least being kind. Many other editors are actually quite 'rude'. I'm not sure why that photo was deleted? It's been in use for years on Wiki. It's my property and I have the ownership. Is there something I'm missing? Thank you. Jackryan733 (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The immediate problem is that you reloaded a file that had been deleted. That is not permitted. The correct procedure is to file a request at Commons:Undeletion requests where the community can consider whether the deletion was correct.

However, now that we're talking, perhaps we can solve this here. You say, "It's my property and I have the ownership." Were you the photographer? If not, who was the photographer and why do you believe you have the right to license it on Commons? .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 17:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jim. The photograph was taken 13 years ago. I rounded up the photographer, Tom Story, that took the photo - which I purchased - and have email documentation that I am legally entitled to use them. I will send the email. Thanks again. Jackryan733 (talk) 06:12, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:PD-USGov-DHS-CGAUX

Please see Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#Template:PD-USGov-DHS-CGAUX. --Jarekt (talk) 12:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Lenin Mausoleum

Hi Jim. I just saw this on my talk page (I obviously don't check it often enough:

This deletion debate is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask
a question at the  Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may
re-nominate this file or ask for it to be  undeleted.
[edit] File:Lenin_Mausoleum.jpg

The comment on the request to delete is this:

No FOP in Russia 79.237.182.28 23:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the problem. What is FOP?

The file in question is File:Lenin Mausoleum.jpg. I can't say for sure (because the image is not there now) but I believe this is my own photograph.

--CaritasUbi (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

The fundamental problem with the image is that the mausoleum itself has a copyright, which will expire on 1/1/2020, which is seventy years rounded up to the following January 1 after the death of Alexey Shchusev, the architect. Any photograph of the mausoleum is a derivative work and, until the copyright expires, such photographs infringe on the copyright. So, even though we have the photographer's permission to keep the image on Commons, we would also need the permission of Shchusev's heirs.

Freedom of Panorama (FOP) is a special exception to the copyright rules which is available in some countries, but not Russia. Although the exact provisions vary widely from country to country, generally the exception permits copyrighted works that are installed permanently to be freely photographed. Unfortunately we have gotten into the habit of saying "no FOP in X" as shorthand for "this image is derivative of the copyrighted work portrayed, there is no FOP in X, and therefore the image cannot be kept on Commons". .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

I wasn't clear on how to add more pages and while I was surprised to see my other page gone - I totally understand -

"22:13, 28 April 2013 Jameslwoodward (talk | contribs) moved page Pia jensen Photography to User:PJ2013/Pia jensen Photography without leaving a redirect (User galleries must be sub pages of their user page.)"

Thanks for moving it and leaving a note as to what that was about. :) time for me to study! One question for you: at my primary page - how do I locate a link to the next page which you moved? I see no access point... —Preceding unsigned comment added by PJ2013 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 28 April 2013‎ (UTC)

Yes, you may certainly put a link to your gallery sub page on your user page. You may also create User:Categories to organize your images. Take a look at User:Jameslwoodward -- I use both. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

RevDel own IP address

Hi Jim. I've deleted the two connected revision texts that showed your IP: [1]. INeverCry 20:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 23:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Berne Convention and scale models

Hello James!

It is always the scale models problem ;-)
Today, this DR has been started which follows a known COM:DW-argumentation of the copyright protection of scale models. Since this image depicts an US aircraft model from the 1970s, another participant on the discussion brings the Berne Convent in this debate. What do you think about this? Regards, High Contrast (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

It's not really the Berne Convention, but rather the lack of it in the USA then. In order to have a copyright, it had to have notice, which would have been very much automatic for someone creating it at that time. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Enfant Jean-Paul Bélanger par Charles Gill 1911 (detail visage)/(detail mains)/(details pré et ore de boisé)

Hello Jim! You are right, these files are crops. Nevertheless these details of the paint allow a small focused description, which seems usually accepted on Commons.I hope this explanation to be usefull to the discussion. Thanks! Laurent Bélanger (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Cropping for detail is very useful in a book or magazine because it allows the reader to examine an enlarged section very closely. It is much less useful on screen because it is far easier to download the whole painting and then pan over it as required. Descriptions can say, for example, "Look closely at the hands".... .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand and agree. Thank you! Laurent Bélanger (talk) 17:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

FSPS street pages and gallery columns

Thanks for helping with the Fremantle Society Photographic Survey pages! :-) I'm just wondering about the removal of the columns parameter, because we're printing these pages for use in the physical archives of these photos. Would it be possible to make an exception to the rules in this case? (e.g. Fremantle Society Photographic Survey — Silver Street‎). Thanks! — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 10:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. The problem is that it doesn't work. I use two screens -- 1280x1024 and 1680x1050. On the smaller screen, the page came up with three images per row, not four. On the larger one, it set the way you wanted it, but wasted screen space to the right. The whole point of allowing gallery image sizes and per row to default is that the user (or the user's software) will set the size and per row to most efficiently use the available screen space on anything from a mobile phone to a screen 2,000, 3,000, even 5,000 pixels wide. Even more in the future....

I'm not sure I understand the need for printing. Is this a one time thing? If so, go ahead, change the pages to 4 per row, do your printing, and change it back. There's software (which you may be using) to create a PDF of WMF pages -- you could use that. If it's not a one time thing -- if you want to be able to print a 4 per row page on demand -- I'm inclined to suggest that you don't try to do it from Commons. I don't like creating precedent for breaking rules that have a sound basis. However, it strikes me that since you would have a very good reason that it won't sink the project to make an exception. Just be aware, though, that you would be making your pages less accessible to most users. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You're quite right, it's easy to just set it to four columns, print the required index sheets, and then change it back to the default (unspecified) number of columns. :-) The printing requirement exists because all of these photos (there's another couple of thousand of them to come) are being moved into proper long-term storage folders, and I'm using the streets pages as index sheets and dividers (printing on archival paper etc.). Thank you for helping think about this stuff. I shall carry on with the slow, slow task of uploading... :-) — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 11:34, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you familiar with Commons:Commonist -- I haven't used it much, but it allows for repetitive uploads of the sort you are doing. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I've used it a bit. It's good, but sometimes I've only got a couple of photos to do at one time, so just use special:upload. I've also had a couple of occasions of Commonist crashing on me just after I've entered the details of ~50 photos! — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 23:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hoax creations by the same user

Hi Jameslwoodward.

After a year of you deleting fakes dominican flags create by user Cvkfekjf238, he reuploading the hoax flags and coat of arms. Please verify that and excuse my english.--Inefable001 (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You delete and he upload them again using this puppet user Dfjfedfub

Tú las borra y él las vuelve a subir utilizando este usuario títere Dfjfedfub--Inefable001 (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I have deleted the new uploads, blocked the puppet indefinitely, and blocked Cvkfekjf238 for a week. I will continue to delete Cvkfekjf238's January uploads when I get time. Thank you for your help on this. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but this case needs more attention. The person has created another puppet CMMM34 and uploads many others hoax flags.--Inefable001 (talk) 13:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for your attention to this. I have mass-deleted the new uploads and blocked the puppet indefinitely. I hope that sooner or later he gets tired of this. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I see that, but left many files to delete. Also remember the uploads from the others puppets. I think you may need some help from other administrators to delete all.--Inefable001 (talk) 00:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

? I see no remaining flags uploaded by any of CMMM34, Cvkfekjf238, Dfjfedfub. I don't think I need help from other Admins, but I do need help from you -- please do not say things like "I see that, but left many files to delete" without giving examples. We have more than 16 million files on Commons and more than 25,000 editors each month -- I cannot read your mind as to where to look for more problems. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 00:49, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

You can see all the remaining flags in their each contributions. If you don't delete quickly and stop this person then it becomes annoying because the user include all these flags and coat of arms in many Wikipedia articles.--Inefable001 (talk) 11:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Again, you must provide examples. Broad statements are not at all helpful -- I cannot delete what I do not see. What I do see is thatnone of the three users we are discussing have any files containing flags that have not been deleted:

• User:Cvkfekjf238 -- no undeleted contributions after June 26, 2012. He contributed a number of Coats of Arms in 2012, but they have never had a DR and remain as active files.
• User:Dfjfedfub -- except for one map, no undeleted contributions after 2012
• User:CMMM34 -- no undeleted contributions at all

.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, now i understand you. You only are deleting the flags and coats of arms that were previously deleted. But it must delete all their remaining flags and coats of arms because all that are hoax creations too. There' no reference to indicate these files are real or belong to Dominican Republic. I hope you understand me this time.--Inefable001 (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

That is correct. Files that have been deleted before may be deleted on sight, which I have done. Those that have not been deleted before must go through our standard Deletion Request process. I suggest that you start a Commons:Deletion requests/Mass deletion request on those that you believe are a problem. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I've created the first deletion request for user Cvkfekjf238. Do i need to create another request deletion for the others puppets?

I hope you can help me in this because is my first time and i don't know if i'm doing right.--Inefable001 (talk) 14:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you did a perfect Mass DR on your first try -- well done! I'm not sure I understand your question. There's nothing left to delete for CMMM34. For User:Dfjfedfub, the only files remaining are maps -- if those are OK, then there's nothing there. If they are not OK, they should have a separate DR. On Cvkfekjf238, if you have listed everything that is bad, then that's done. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

a heads-up

In 2011 you participated in Commons:Administrators/Requests/Jcb_(de-adminship 2). That discussion ended with User:Jcb losing his administrator privileges.

This note is to inform you that User:Odder proposed Jcb have unconconditional access to administrator privileges restored.

Commons:Administrators/Requests/Jcb (readmin) is scheduled to close on May 20th.

Cheers Geo Swan (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Books by Dejan Stojanović

Dear James,

Please restore Books by Dejan Stojanović. The permission has been received, OTRS ticket 2013050810010397. Best regards, --Mountlovcen8

 Done.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Re:

Mmmmm, I've got no idea of such template. Thanks! --Ganímedes (talk) 11:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Care to comment?

Hi Jim, User:Jcb recently advised me to not to appeal for blocks against group usernames here. Since I have invoked a block action by you in the discussion, will you please comment in the discussion? TIA Rahul Bott (talk) 05:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Jim, I initiated discussion related to User:Deutz-Fahr at COM:AN/U. Will you please provide your views on the matter there? Regards, Rahul Bott (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

No, sorry -- I try to avoid discussions in which Penyulap is an active player. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand. Thanks anyway Rahul Bott (talk) 12:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Please comment

Jim, if you have some time, will you please have a look at the second discussion thread on File talk:'Schloss' in Uster, Ansicht von der Talackerstrasse 2012-11-14 13-28-32.JPG. I removed,with this edit, a gallery of photos which were not other versions of the file but simply different photographs from the other_versions entry of the file description. User:Roland zh reverted it soon enough with edit summary "potentially vandalism reverted, next one will be handled as 'Commons User Problems'". I tried to start a discussion with him on the file talk page, since he has made clear on his talk page that he does not like the messages to be posted there and erases any such message zealously saying he is too busy. He replied saying that "forced discussion" is a "personal attack" and frankly, it might also be a bit about language problem as English is not the mother tongue for either of us!

I know it is not a big deal but for future purposes, I would just like to know

1. Whether putting all of these files as the gallery on the file page was correct? Please evaluate each individual file entry if you can.
2. Is there some limit to what can be put in the other_versions entry in file description?
3. Was I so wrong in removing them that it should be called "potentially vandalism"?

You may please consider commenting on the File talk page or my talk page. TIA. Rahul Bott (talk) 07:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the other versions from the file. I have never seen "other versions" used for anything except

• different versions of the same image -- crops, tilts (or removals), the original from which this crop was made, color corrections, and so forth.
• occasionally different images of the same painting or other flat work.

Showing different angles and lighting of the same subject can easily be done in a gallery. Putting such files into one or more of the related files seems silly and a maintenance nightmare.

His suggestion that your actions were vandalism and his threat are both inappropriate. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Jim for the timely intervention. I've copied your comments above to the related file talk page hoping that you won't mind. Admins like you are reassuring about the value of this endeavour to people like me. Cheers, Rahul Bott (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	You deserve it! Rahul Bott (talk) 15:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Goddess of Democracy DC defy censorship.JPG

Jim,

Please see Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Victims of Communism Memorial in Washington

The OTRS ticket on File:Goddess of Democracy DC defy censorship.JPG has been received and accepted (by User:Jcb)

This ticket, which the sculptor Thomas Marsh submitted with my encouragement, covers the right to photograph the statue and several related copies, by anybody as long as he is acknowledged as the sculptor CC-BY.

I am just horrified by the multiple attempts to delete pictures of this sculpture and its daughters - which was violently censored in Tianamen Square in 1989 as a symbol of freedom, and continues to be censored in China.

Could you help to put this to rest?

Sincerely,

Smallbones (talk) 04:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

After your message above, while I was sleeping (it is now 06:00 local time), MichaelMaggs closed the subject discussion as a keep. That's probably for the best, as I am not sure that I agree with the closure -- it seems to me that Marsh's work is clearly derivative of the original sculpture and therefore infringes on that copyright. Since the question is moot, I haven't read anything like all of the 2,200+ words of argument there, but I am troubled by the tone of the argument that seems to rely more on the fact that we deplore the Chinese government's actions and less on the question of whether that government both can and actually has eliminated the original sculptor's copyright.

It also troubles me that only the Washington, DC version is actually entirely Thomas Marsh's work. As he sets forth carefully in his OTRS letter, all of the other versions had one or more other people doing part of the work -- enough probably so that there is a joint copyright, even in San Francisco where Marsh believes that he did 95% of the work.

Both of these concerns would probably have led me to close this as a delete, particularly with respect to the sculptures other than the DC one, based on the fact that there are significant questions about the copyright.

However, we have a huge backlog at the moment and very few really active Admins (a group that I am barely part of), so I tend not to spend a lot of time on any one issue -- and a renomination of this would surely take a great deal of time. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:36, 24 May 2013 (UTC)