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I was notified that 5 of my photos were subject to deletion. All were taken prior to 1923 and fall under Public Domain. I have added the required information to each one. Now I'd like to notify the bot before they get deleted.

Thanks.

Jtlanghorne (talk) 19:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for adding more source information to these photos. You mention below that the photos were all taken before 1923, but unfortunately, US copyright law is not concerned with when a photo was created, but only when it was first published. This can often be harder to demonstrate, but doing so is required by Commons' policies.
That said, File:Harry F. Grant 1908 (a).jpg and File:Harry F. Grant 1908.jpg are fine now, and I guess File:C.H. Jones on the Ashumet.jpg is okay too. According to the source you provided for File:Allan Winter 1908.jpg, they in turn got it from the Library of Congress. With that information, I was able to find the original record at http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004002110/, which also includes a higher-resolution version of the photo. We have a more specific PD tag for the LoC's Bain collection: {{PD-Bain}}. I've tidied up the file description, removed the problem tag, uploaded the original full-resolution version and then a full-resolution version cropped to approximately the same extent as the version that you uploaded. Cheers, LX (talk, contribs) 11:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

LX-Huge thanks for adding clarity to all this. I'm always afraid my pics will get deleted and now I have a little better understanding. What you did for Allan Winter was over the top great! So that leaves me wondering about the Teddy Carroll photo. Other than the source link I found, I'm afraid I've exhausted all my tricks to determine where it came from. The deletion tag is still there. Does that mean it will get deleted or should I try to contact the author - Daniel Statnekov? What would I need from him? Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it! Jtlanghorne (talk) 13:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Sorry I overlooked File:Teddy Carroll 1919.jpg during the review. You say that the author is Daniel K. Statnekov. I guess that means the immediate (secondary) source of the photo is http://www.statnekov.com/motorcycles/book-photos/teddy-carroll.jpg from the page http://www.statnekov.com/motorcycles/lives14.html. (Including those addresses would have been a good start!) Daniel didn't take the photo himself, so although he's the author of that site, he shouldn't be listed as the author of the photo. According to http://www.statnekov.com/motorcycles/notes.html, the photo was taken by A.F. Van Order. We also need some evidence that the photo was actually published before 1923 (i.e. the original, primary source). Contacting Daniel or trying to track down one of the relevant people mentioned in his author's note might be a good starting point. Don't stress too much about deletion – things can be undeleted if/when the necessary information is available. LX (talk, contribs) 17:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

LX-Man you're good. I can see why they keep you around! I'll do some digging and try to nail it down soon. The proof of it being published prior to 1923 may be only as good as the guy's word though, unless he scans me a pic of the title page (etc), but I'll worry about crossing that bridge later. Best, Jtlanghorne (talk) 18:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

LX-I just uploaded a new photo of Teddy Carroll. This was obtained from Maggie Humberston, Head of Library and Archives, Lyman & Merrie Wood Museum of Springfield History. http://www.springfieldmuseums.org/the_museums/springfield_history/exhibits/view/164-the_esta_manthos_indian_motocycle_collection#.Up-gnSjFWph As she explains "Attached is the only photo identified as Teddy Carroll that we have in our collection of Indian Motocycle images. There is no date on the photo, but it appears to have been taken by the Hendee Mfg. Co. I did a local newspaper check and found articles about Carroll as an Indian racer dating from 1915, and 1917. Nothing later than that. Hendee Mfg. changed the company name in Oct. 1923 to Indian Mfg. Co. Our photo credit is Indian Motocycle Collection, Wood Museum of Springfield History, Springfield, Massachusetts."

I managed to track down Stephen Wright but unfortunately he wasn't able to precisely document the other Teddy Carroll photo. He did confirm it was taken outside the Indian factory in Springfield, and has a bio on Teddy as well. Katy Wood of the Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum also responded. Recently she tried to find the Van Order family as they were reprinting the images several years ago, but had no luck tracking them down.

Hopefully this will be good enough. If not, I think it's game over.Thanks. Jtlanghorne (talk) 22:18, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

How to notify deletion bot-Please help![edit]

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Please help. I was notified that 5 of my photos were subject to deletion. All were taken prior to 1923 and fall under Public Domain. I have added the required information to each one. Now I'd like to notify the bot before they get deleted. The 5 photos are-

File:Teddy Carroll 1919.jpg File:Harry F. Grant 1908 (a).jpg File:Harry F. Grant 1908.jpg File:Allan Winter 1908.jpg File:C.H. Jones on the Ashumet.jpg

Thank you!

Jtlanghorne (talk) 18:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

You may ask on User talk:LX. --Leyo 19:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Please don't. Alex's talk page instructions are very clear about this. -- Rillke(q?) 20:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
LX is not a bot and I am sure he will reply here. What is Pioneers of American Motorcycle Racing? Which volume, page, … ? -- Rillke(q?) 20:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Rillke- thanks for responding. Yes, I figured out to deal with it here. Pioneers of American Motorcycle Racing is an article on the web. I've provided a link. It's chapter 14, but no page number. Edward "Teddy" Carroll appears at the bottom of the article. He was a test driver on the staff at Indian. The paragraph above the photo dates the bike.

http://www.statnekov.com/motorcycles/lives14.html

Jtlanghorne (talk) 21:57, 28 November 2013 (UTC)