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File:Books Author Logo.jpg[edit]

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There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful information about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

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Ludo notes[edit]

Ludo note to self: does not matter for this "iBooks Author"
as this was my second upload and did not know yet how this
worked - The REACT one (Album cover) is a better one. — Ludopedia(Talk) 07:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Trouver ou mon image a été utilisée[edit]

Aller ici: [Tinyeye]

File:SeaOrbiter retraced by me.gif[edit]

Copyright notice

Hello, thank you for the note on my page. One question though, for the file I had uploaded File:SeaOrbiter retraced by me.gif, I completely redid the logo and although it may have been close to the original, it was not a matter of finding the logo and doing a copy paste from a website. I have spent litteraly hours re-doing it myself and changed the font, colours etc.... The intent was to use it on the French Wikipedia to illustrate the SeaOrbiter project, and consisted of typefaces (different than the originals), individual words, slogans, or simple geometric shapes (different than the originals), that i have created to depict / represent closely the original logo. The original art copyright is believed to belong to the Seaorbiter company or the graphic artist.
So my question is : when you deleted the file, did you realize it was not the original but a close copy retraced by me, and it was not a simple case of "find the logo on the net" then do a copy paste and update to wiki ? What was the problem was it still too close to the original, what went wrong ? Thanks for enlightening me & Thank you for your reply. — Ludopedia(Talk) 03:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Hello. First of all, I didn't delete your picture. I just tagged it. And I'm afraid that your picture included a substancial part of the original logo: the vessel, that was simpy mirrored. That is why it was a derivative work of the original logo. --Ecce Ralgis (háblame) 15:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Hello. Thank you for your message. I have redone the file and before uploading it would like to run it by you. Can you please have a look Here. Thank you. — Ludopedia(Talk) 11:03, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Seaorbiter[edit]

Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Seaorbiter
Hello. I previously uploaded a logo retraced by me but it was apparently too close to the original and was deleted. I completely redid it again and although it is inspired by the original logo I have spent a fair bit of time re-doing it myself and changed the font, colours etc.... The intent is to use it on the French Wikipedia to illustrate the SeaOrbiter project, and consists of typefaces (different than the originals), individual words (modified), slogans, or simple geometric shapes (different than the originals), that i have created to depict / represent closely the original logo, that can be found Here. The original art copyright is believed to belong to the Seaorbiter company or the graphic artist. Can someone please validate I can upload my work. ? It can be found Here (although not as pretty) Thank you. — Ludopedia(Talk) 23:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I had expected to find an image we can't use, but looking at that, and the differences, it's actually surprisingly good. The elements that are the same are very simple, if the craft itself is an image you've drawn yourself then it's not a derivative of the original, and it surely describes the real logo without copying it and so it's useful. Penyulap 00:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the website, it looks a lot like a screenshot, or based upon a screenshot of the 3D animation. I don't think people would let you keep it here. You can generally keep it on the local wikis under fair use though. Penyulap 00:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback Penyulap. May I quote: "...based upon a screenshot of the 3D animation..." ?? Sorry but (sincerely!) i do not know what you are referring to (since I have not been on the official website for a couple of month) - does not matter digressing here, and for the purpose of not copying it, I prefer not to go on the official site, to be able to stand back from the original works.
So/Anyway, I have redone it again, and the vessel is manually drawn, remodelled in black and white. Would you please be able to validate I can upload my work. It can be found Here. Thank you. (final thoughts about your comment: You mention with the previous version it may have been possible to upload "...keep it on the local wikis under fair use..." on local wiki ?" I do not know how to do that, and am happy to read more, if there is existing literature about it). Face-smile.svg Thanks again — Ludopedia(Talk) 03:03, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Your welcome, and to upload it to the local wiki, for example, you speak english so with en.wiki as an example, you can take the original logo, you can copy it from their website. Then log in to en.wiki, then upload it here save the image, just say own work and change it later. In license, change everything to {{Non-free promotional|image_has_rationale=yes|image_is_of_living_person=no}} and then in the description you'd put

{{Non-free use rationale

|Article = Seaorbiter

|Description = official logo of Seaorbiter

|Source = put the website name here

|Portion = all

|Low_resolution = no

|Purpose = to show the seaorbiter logo in the Seaorbiter article

|Replaceability = Not with a free image

|other_information =

}}

I'm not sure if this is exact, but it would be close enough for other people to fiddle with it rather than delete it. The image needs to be then used in the Seaorbiter article, if it is not used there, it gets deleted. It can't be used on your talkpage or userpage, you can put a link to it though. Fair use images can only be used in articles and have to be deleted if not in use. If you want to be really sure, you can ask at the en wiki help desk. Other wikis may have different policies and some don't allow non-free fair use images at all. Penyulap 04:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello Penyulap. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant... I am flabbergasted at the level of help you just provided me. I have been on Wiki (not commons) for a little and have NEVER read such help. I really want to thank you so much for taking the time to explain all of this. If there is anything I can do in return I'll be more than happy to help (maybe can buy you a beer when you next travel down to Australia! Lol) Thank you again. Face-smile.svg — Ludopedia(Talk) 04:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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hum - note to self. Question i should have asked. So now: is it better to upload my work in commons OR is it better to upload the original logo inside Wiki itself in Wiki(pedia) (not commons) under what i understand is the "fair use". Hum.... ?

You're welcome. you could give me requests for funny images now and then, or barnstars, either as requests to draw or just as an award. I likes me barnstars Face-smile.svg. What makes you say I'm in australia btw ? just curious. Also, although it's all about correct and how it works, you'll still get people to dot the I's and cross T's, and so on. Usually you get something 2/3rds done and that's enough to make it stick. Penyulap 04:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Since re-reading our conversation of yesterday, and in order to finalise what to upload, one more question comes to mind (promise this will be the last). For future reference I will follow your advice as to upload to local wikis when it comes to logos. For this particular case, and at this point in time, having spent literally hours doing this logo I am confused as this is now all new to me. What do you recommend ? : would it be better to upload my work in commons OR is would it be better to upload the original copyrighted logo inside Wiki itself (not commons) under what I understand is the "fair use" ?
Because with all what you have explained, I was not aware you could do that, and believed the only way was fiddling with a logo, trying to match it to a certain point but make sure you absolutely avoid to make a derivative work (which then becomes a copyright issue etc…), which takes for ever and the result may not become what helps the most the Wikipedia encyclopaedia or its users, because "whatever work you do, it is not the real thing" in the end... What are your thoughts? Do you recommend uploading what I made to Commons or the original on the local Wiki. What is going to be the most useful to readers ?
Finally, yes sure if I can help I'll keep in mind the barnstars, as requests to draw, or or just as an award, with pleasure. As for a barnstar for you I could not help to put one on your page Face-smile.svg. Ah also, nothing makes me say you are in Australia, I don't know if you are, are you?. If you were that would be a coincidence as I am. And yesterday I jokingly (but in a serious sense too) wrote that, may you travel down under, and are feeling like a drink, I'll be happy to offer you one (or a few). Cordially. — Ludopedia(Talk) 05:13, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I do appreciate your offer of beer, and I very much appreciate the wikilove Face-smile.svg. I have difficulty to travel even short distances. But the Internet makes the world a lot closer ! 'Penyulap' is a noun, it means magician in Indonesian, I have many friends who are Australian, and many who are Asian. I understand those cultures reasonably well compared to US/Canada/UK, which surprise me everyday. I don't drink alcohol, however, if I travel 'down under' I think it would be a lovely idea to have a happy time together, thank you.
For the file, I have myself done much work to create free images using the 'sweat of my brow' and often it pays off very well. Sometimes, when it is a copyright image, some copyright images, it turns into a catch-22 where no matter what method you use to create the image it is the result that counts. Then we get caught because if it is close enough to the original to be useful, it is often so close that it becomes a copyright issue.
There is no copyright in an idea, in this case the combination of a bullwhip and hat. The fact that most viewers will recognise the allusion to the fictional character Indiana Jones does not matter.
There are not many pages on commons that specifically help artists who create new work for commons without using simple recording devices like cameras. There are quite a few artists, although nothing to compare to the website deviant art for example. A page that might help explain some of the copyright issues for created work is Commons:Fan art. If you can read enough, talk to enough people and understand what is and is not ok you can probably write a new page explaining what is ok and what is not, once you understand it all yourself.
For the logo, I do recommend to copy from the website and upload to en.wiki, the Commons:Graphic Lab is a place to use your skills to create new art, though I often find it is too quiet for me ! that is why I sometimes beg people for funny requests to do. There are a lot of images to make, so don't worry if one copyright image gives you a little trouble. There is a lot more to do, plenty of opportunities to help ! Penyulap 07:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello mister magician. Agree with you, Internet makes the world a lot closer. Ok, I will follow your recommendation and do as you suggest. Once more, Penyulap, thank you for all your help and your time for this image. Cordially Smile — Ludopedia(Talk) 05:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Apple - Image pour illustration article[edit]

Chatsam[edit]

Message à Chatsam ici
Bonjour. J'ai pris une photo et téléchargée sur Wikicommons et souhaite savoir si tout est ok, et surtout qu'il n'y a pas d'issue de copyright. L'article se trouve [ici] et l'image [ici]. J'ai aussi posté un message sur le forum des nouveaux sur Wikipédia. Merci. — Ludopedia(Talk) 06:54, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh il a maintenant un bandeau de suppréssion : Oups, qu'ai-je fait qui n'est pas correct ou aurais dû faire ? Merci Chatsam. — Ludopedia(Talk) 07:03, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Est ce que j'ai mis une mauvaise license (aurais-je du mettre que tout le monde peut utiliser et modifier le fichier ?) ou bien est ce que le fait de photographier un DVD qui dépictait le système d'exploitation d'Apple, n'est pas un ficher pour Wikicommons ?. En fait j'ai fais ceci par soucis de ne pas trouver une image sur internet et la placer sur Commons. La bien sur je sais que s'est proscrit. Merci d'éclairer ma lanterne car je suis confus. (et ai besoin d'apprendre, car sur Wikipédia je me sens asseé à l'aise MAIS pour tout ce qui est photos alors la pas du tout). Merci — Ludopedia(Talk) 07:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
normalement tu n'as pas le droit de mettre des images de couverture de livre ou de cd/dvd. suaf si l'image est sous license libre ce qui est plus dure à prouver. --Chatsam (talk) 07:55, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
ah ok merci Chatsam. Cordialement — Ludopedia(Talk) 17:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Message à PierreSelim ici
Bonjour. J'avais pris une photo et ensuite téléchargée sur Wikicommons et vous l'avez supprimé. (chose que je comprends tout à fait, j'ai compris mon erreur depuis). C'était pour cet article sur la Wiki frrancophone : [ici] qui manque cruellement d'une image alors que la version du système d'exploitation précédant et suivant en possèdent. Les logos disposent d'un formulaire différent qui permet de téléverser sur Wikipédia (et non commons comme je découvre) donc je souhaiterais vous demander votre avis : Est ce que prendre une photo du DVD d'installation peut être considéré comme logo ? Voici l'image : Logo proposé Puis-je la téléverser ? Merci. — Ludopedia(Talk) 19:11, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Je te suggère de prendre ça ^^, pour l'uploader sur Wikipedia (sous exception aux droits d'auteurs). --PierreSelim (talk) 19:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Fantastique! En effet beaucoup mieux que cette photo que j'ai prise. Merci, merci merci. — Ludopedia(Talk) 19:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)