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Commons:Community portal translation [edit]
Hello, thank you for assisting with translation administration. I've replaced the old languages bar with the correct one and I see that most languages are gone. This is not the correct way to do it: you must first move all translations to language subpages, then mark for translation, and finally import all old translations to the new system. Otherwise, the links are all mixed and even when all translations are moved the histories are scattered. You now have to remove all translation tags, remove the page from translation, and follow the process as above. Regards, Nemo 07:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, I see you're now moving translation pages, but still overwriting all translations. [1] What's the purpose? Please also fix the other page first. Thanks, Nemo 12:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't overwrite them, the bot did that automatically. It sensed that the new page was not the old page and didn't import them. Both pages have changed format lots of times and I'm not even sure importing the old stuff will work - some of it doesn't seem accurate any more.
(Meta's guide"If your pages follow the language code subpages naming convention, they will be replaced with the source text after marking the source page for translation, but you'll still be able to access translations from history. This is manual work, where you have to open the old translation page and copy and paste translations from there to correct translation units in the new system using the translation interface. For this you need to roughly know which part of the translation matches which part of the old text (and hope they match)"
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- So this behavior is normal, but I do understand the dilemma - I too would like to minimize work for translators. I'm not sure what would be best for translated pages that haven't seen updates in years. —Mono 16:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean with that quotation... I'm one of the main authors of that help page. There's no dilemma: «you have to open the old translation page and copy and paste translations from there to correct translation units in the new system», as you quoted. Please do it or refrain from doing partial jobs. --Nemo 17:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- The dilemma is that the translations don't match up. The English version has been updated time and time again, so there is no 'matching' that will occur - only copy and pasting stuff where it probably doesn't fit. Should I do that? —Mono 17:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, if nothing else is possible. !!FUZZY!! can mark translations needing an update. Is translation of that page even possible at all? It's composed mostly of links to pages which may exist or not in the other languages. You should know what translation is for, as you enabled it... --Nemo 18:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- The dilemma is that the translations don't match up. The English version has been updated time and time again, so there is no 'matching' that will occur - only copy and pasting stuff where it probably doesn't fit. Should I do that? —Mono 17:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean with that quotation... I'm one of the main authors of that help page. There's no dilemma: «you have to open the old translation page and copy and paste translations from there to correct translation units in the new system», as you quoted. Please do it or refrain from doing partial jobs. --Nemo 17:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- So this behavior is normal, but I do understand the dilemma - I too would like to minimize work for translators. I'm not sure what would be best for translated pages that haven't seen updates in years. —Mono 16:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- I've stopped translation for these pages until there's a clear plan and method in place across Commons for migrating outdated translations. It's too big of a mess for me to handle and this problem is present in numerous places that should be translated. —Mono 02:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- The method is what I said above. There won't be another, nobody is working on one and Translate devs think it impossible. --Nemo 07:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC) P.s.: This is not enough, it won't revert edits on the translation pages. You probably want to open each of them and rollback FuzzyBot. I'm going to leave some instructions on how to properly mark that page next time.
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translate tool / Main Page [edit]
Hello Mono :-), Thank you for your hard work on the Main Page. But i disagree, please discuss first. I think the tool is unsuitable for the page. Greetings--Steinsplitter (talk) 09:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I also think, as long as we have only limited space at the main page, adding local project information (like a photo rally in the Netherlands) to all the main pages wouldn't be good. Also, let's work on your new version of the main page. I really like the design. (There was a VP discussion, I know, but can you give me a link to it?) Thanks. I will be available in IRC today. -- Rillke(q?) 10:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
